In what scenario would the government let RTE die?

Pooinloo

RTE are losing viewers as quickly as people are dying. Even my nearly retired parents have stopped watching it since I spent the year showing them how to use YouTube and Netflix.

At what point will keeping RTE afloat, equate to flogging a dead horse?

noodler

Pooinloo wrote: »

RTE are losing viewers as quickly as people are dying. Even my nearly retired parents have stopped watching it since I spent the year showing them how to use YouTube and Netflix.

At what point will keeping RTE afloat, equate to flogging a dead horse?

Hopefully none.

Need a public sector broadcaster in some capacity.

A year or two after the apocalypse..

Hopefully never. It accounts for at least 75% of my viewing.

Stopitwillya

Pooinloo wrote: »

RTE are losing viewers as quickly as people are dying. Even my nearly retired parents have stopped watching it since I spent the year showing them how to use YouTube and Netflix.

At what point will keeping RTE afloat, equate to flogging a dead horse?

Rte need to be downscaled. One TV channel for news, primetime, sport, public broadcasting.
One radio channel.
Cut the wages of all those over paid presenters.
Simple really.

Pooinloo

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Rte need to be downscaled. One TV channel for news, primetime, sport, public broadcasting.
One radio channel.
Cut the wages of all those over paid presenters.
Simple really.

I'd consider that letting it die.

bunderoon

Pooinloo wrote: »

RTE are losing viewers as quickly as people are dying. Even my nearly retired parents have stopped watching it since I spent the year showing them how to use YouTube and Netflix.

At what point will keeping RTE afloat, equate to flogging a dead horse?

When the last of the grey vote dies out, then they wouldn't worry too much. RTE has been programming the people of Ireland since its inception. So 10 more years I'd say. Then it will be left to the digital age voters. That's when the likes of the new Leo et'al will be spending massively on google and Facebook ads instead of posters and calendars.

Harry Palmr

It won't die, it'll change just as it has changed from being 1 TV station and 1 radio channel to what it is now. Over-reaching itself.

ILoveYourVibes

They would let it die tomorrow. The govt hates RTE.

X111111111111

Move it to subscription and be done with it. Its awful and nobody in our household watches a single thing on it. Is Joe Duffy still a thing?

ILoveYourVibes

There is little other Irish news coverage outside of RTE. The govt would LOVE to get rid of it.

Always Tired

Pooinloo wrote: »

RTE are losing viewers as quickly as people are dying. Even my nearly retired parents have stopped watching it since I spent the year showing them how to use YouTube and Netflix.

At what point will keeping RTE afloat, equate to flogging a dead horse?

Do YouTube or Netflix show Irish news or sport or Irish pop culture/entertainment shows? Not advocating for rte hate the badsterds but if someone actually LIKES the stuff that be on rte YouTube and Netflix aren't gonna replace it. My mother has Netflix etc but still wouldn't like to start her mornings withour Ireland AM (which is TV3 i know but same idea - wont get it on Netflix)

Moshman

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There is little other Irish news coverage outside of RTE. The govt would LOVE to get rid of it.

Think they'd love to get did of Newstalk also, a thorn in their backside😵

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

bunderoon wrote: »

When the last of the grey vote dies out, then they wouldn't worry too much. RTE has been programming the people of Ireland since its inception. So 10 more years I'd say. Then it will be left to the digital age voters. That's when the likes of the new Leo et'al will be spending massively on google and Facebook ads instead of posters and calendars.

Don't assume very elderly person watches or listens to RTE. We're well able for Netflex and satellite TV is well used by us of the grey vote brigade.

I think we watched RTE news maybe twice in the past month but apart from that it's never on here. I wouldn't lament it's passing in the slightest. I do think subscription, rather than TV licence, is the way to go for them. Then we'd see if it has any value or merit.

political analyst

Jaxen Odd Necktie wrote: »

Don't assume very elderly person watches or listens to RTE. We're well able for Netflex and satellite TV is well used by us of the grey vote brigade.

I think we watched RTE news maybe twice in the past month but apart from that it's never on here. I wouldn't lament it's passing in the slightest. I do think subscription, rather than TV licence, is the way to go for them. Then we'd see if it has any value or merit.

But many people in the Irish countryside can't access video on demand services or satellite TV because, even if they could afford to have them, they don't have adequate (if any at all!) broadband and some people may be unable to have satellite dishes because they live in rented accommodation, the owner of which might not let a dish be put up, or a preservation order on nearby trees that block the dish's line-of-sight means that the trees cannot be removed or the home might be a listed building, which might also prohibit the putting-up of a dish!

FAMLEE

Sooner the better it dies!! Nothing but sh1te and pro government propaganda, then finally we can be done with the nasty excuse of a TV licence scaremongering and extorting our middle-aged and elderly .. it should have died years ago when them scummy presenter's salaries were exposed

Yurt2

I often wonder do other small European countries have the same antipathy towards their national broadcasting service (Finland, Slovenia, Norway etc)?

I think a lot of RTE's problem is that we're an English language country, and they're competing for eyes and ears with two giant media markets (UK and US). It's blindingly obvious to Irish viewers what's quality content, and Irish content pales in volume and absolute quality to British and American.

Where as if you're Finnish, and despite their high levels of English, they likely still demand quality programming in their native tounge, the national broadcaster is probably the only one has the capacity to produce that in such a small media market. I'd suspect that their broadcasters have a greater sense of mission all-round and higher levels of public support.

At the moment, RTE doesn't look like it has a purpose or grander mission, just a money trough for a couple of postcodes in Dublin.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

political analyst wrote: »

But many people in the Irish countryside can't access video on demand services or satellite TV because, even if they could afford to have them, they don't have adequate (if any at all!) broadband and some people may be unable to have satellite dishes either because they live in rented accommodation, the owner of which might not let a dish be put up, or a preservation order on nearby trees that block the dish's line-of-sight means that the trees cannot be removed or the home might be a listed building, which might also prohibit the putting-up of a dish!

Nonsense. We're as rural as you'll get and can get all. And Freesat is cheap as chips. I don't know one retired person reliant on RTE. Even plain old Saorview gives a choice of other channels. Freeview is available without a dish for many as well.

Mad_maxx

bunderoon wrote: »

When the last of the grey vote dies out, then they wouldn't worry too much. RTE has been programming the people of Ireland since its inception. So 10 more years I'd say. Then it will be left to the digital age voters. That's when the likes of the new Leo et'al will be spending massively on google and Facebook ads instead of posters and calendars.

RTE more closely reflects the attitudes of the young surely?

Left wing
Liberal on social issues
Big on the green agenda
Big government enthusiasm aplenty

FAMLEE

political analyst wrote: »

But many people in the Irish countryside can't access video on demand services or satellite TV because, even if they could afford to have them, they don't have adequate (if any at all!) broadband and some people may be unable to have satellite dishes because they live in rented accommodation, the owner of which might not let a dish be put up, or a preservation order on nearby trees that block the dish's line-of-sight means that the trees cannot be removed or the home might be a listed building, which might also prohibit the putting-up of a dish!

Bullshi1t , we are in one of very few 'blackspots' in the country for broadband however we still use 3g router to access the web and video on demand Netflix etc. No problem not to mention Freeview which we can receive easily for less than €100 setup.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

The TV license would still remain so the only impact would be less choice

FAMLEE

Kyree Melted Ventilation wrote: »

The TV license would still remain so the only impact would be less choice

How so would the license remain? Please explain..

ILoveYourVibes

Moshman wrote: »

Think they'd love to get did of Newstalk also, a thorn in their backside��

That is way more complicated.

You know newstalk banned Irish times journos until Fintan O'Toole retracted an article of his.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/radio-group-owned-by-denis-o-brien-bans-irish-times-journalists-1.3245906

Communicorp, the Denis O’Brien-controlled radio group which owns the country’s only two national commercial broadcasters, has instructed its staff that no Irish Times journalists should appear on its programmes.

O'Toole dared to share his opinion about George Hook. ( Whom my father has had the displeasure and misfortune to know ). O'Toole's opinion was not flattering and so Denny banned not just O'Toole but ALL Irish times journalists.

How do i put this?? Denny owns a lot of people ...but a lot of people also own denny.

Denny and the govt ..its like they own one cheek of each other's arse. But you only see this when some honest journalist pulls both of their pants down.

Its a strange relationship for the govt. 90% of the time all owned by Denny is far from a thorn in the govts side. But 10% of the time Denny has his own agenda ...which is far from being on the side of journalism.

Marhay70

As another member of the "grey brigade", I agree with Srameen. I honestly couldn't tell you when was the last time I watched or listened to RTE. I get my news from Newstalk on an Echo Dot and my TV from Satellite, I also have Firesticks for streaming so, although I wouldn't be up there with the geeks, I can manage to access the outside world just fine, thank you.
Also, far from believing Government hate RTE, I see them as an arm of Government with little investigative journalism or objective reporting of National issues.

ILoveYourVibes

Marhay70 wrote: »

Also, far from believing Government hate RTE, I see them as an arm of Government with little investigative journalism or objective reporting of National issues.

The complete opposite is true.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

I mean can you imagine RTE banning EVERY single journalist from a national news paper? It wouldn't happen.

And several times the govt and minsters have effectively banned rte journalists for a period of time for certain reasons.

FAMLEE

Marhay70 wrote: »

Also, far from believing Government hate RTE, I see them as an arm of Government with little investigative journalism or objective reporting of National issues.

Bang on, scum the lot of them.. nothing but propaganda ever shown on rte news! We wouldn't mind if they reported on actual problems & the real Ireland!

Marhay70

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The complete opposite is true.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

And you to yours, I suggest we agree to differ.

ILoveYourVibes

FAMLEE wrote: »

Bang on, scum the lot of them.. nothing but propaganda ever shown on rte news! We wouldn't mind if they reported on actual problems & the real Ireland!

Scum is a little harsh. You realize its likely a lot of posters here either work there or have family who work there.

I wouldn't think Newstalk is objective. But i wouldn't refer to the people who work there as scum. Its likely they are just normal people trying to earn crust and get by.

bunderoon

Jaxen Odd Necktie wrote: »

Don't assume very elderly person watches or listens to RTE. We're well able for Netflex and satellite TV is well used by us of the grey vote brigade.

I think we watched RTE news maybe twice in the past month but apart from that it's never on here. I wouldn't lament it's passing in the slightest. I do think subscription, rather than TV licence, is the way to go for them. Then we'd see if it has any value or merit.

.... I was speaking in broad terms because RTE is a BROADcaster. It peddled $hite and misinfo to generations. The last of the/that generation is what I meant by the grey vote and obviously not all people over the age of 65 are fooled by them..

RTE is like an a big ship that takes an age to change direction. But it's on its last legs.

Ready4Boarding

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They would let it die tomorrow. The govt hates RTE.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There is little other Irish news coverage outside of RTE. The govt would LOVE to get rid of it.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

O'Toole dared to share his opinion about George Hook. O'Toole's opinion was not flattering and so Denny banned not just O'Toole but ALL Irish times journalists.

How do i put this?? Denny owns a lot of people ...but a lot of people also own denny.

Denny and the govt ..its like they own one cheek of each other's arse. But you only see this when some honest journalist pulls both of their pants down.

Its a strange relationship for the govt. 90% of the time all owned by Denny is far from a thorn in the govts side. But 10% of the time Denny has his own agenda ...which is far from being on the side of journalism.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The complete opposite is true.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

I mean can you imagine RTE banning EVERY single journalist from a national news paper? It wouldn't happen.

And several times the govt and minsters have effectively banned rte journalists for a period of time for certain reasons.

You’re a raving lunatic. I imagine you, like I am, are appalled by fake news conspiracy theories in the US, but you’re just as backward as they are.

Sardonicat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A year or two after the apocalypse..

And the player will still be buffering. ..

ILoveYourVibes

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

You’re a raving lunatic. I imagine you, like I am, are appalled by fake news conspiracy theories in the US, but you’re just as backward as they are.

No I suppose i should say i have a family member who worked in RTE for over a decade though quite high up and still does consultancy work with them and other broadcasters. So people don't think i am hiding a bias.

But that is the view from the inside though.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

And the player will still be buffering. ..

Its woeful.

I know. They should just put it all on youtube and make it available.

FAMLEE

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Scum is a little harsh. You realize its likely a lot of posters here either work there or have family who work there.

I wouldn't think Newstalk is objective. But i wouldn't refer to the people who work there as scum. Its likely they are just normal people trying to earn crust and get by.

Well shame on them! Normal people my ar5e, what self respecting person with any morals would work for or support this disgusting preying establishment? Plenty of other jobs out there to justify their qualifications these days.

Scum the lot. My opinion.

bunderoon

FAMLEE wrote: »

Bang on, scum the lot of them.. nothing but propaganda ever shown on rte news! We wouldn't mind if they reported on actual problems & the real Ireland!

Yes, I firmly believe that RTE were and still is an arm of the government. That and the catholic church seem to the main reasons for the Irish being so ignorant to what was going on over the last 60-70 years. The debt tiger crash in 07 and the spin that was spun in the years since would be the last biggest example of dis-info peddled by the daily and spoofed to the people by RTE.

ILoveYourVibes

FAMLEE wrote: »

Well shame on them! Normal people my ar5e, what self respecting person with any morals would work for or support this disgusting preying establishment? Plenty of other jobs out there to justify their qualifications these days.

Scum the lot. My opinion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely

‘Most politicians don’t have a good word to say about RTɒ

Get back in the queue, says one Minister of RTɒs requests for funding

In public most politicians and the people who work for them are enthusiastically supportive of RTÉ. They praise the station’s output. They like to be seen with what RTÉ used to call “Ireland’s best-loved personalities”. Tributes to Gay Byrne gushed out of them in recent days. They pay lip service to the idea of public service broadcasting.
In private, though, it is often a different matter. “Most politicians don’t have a good word to say about RTÉ,” says one Cabinet Minister.
“RTÉ thinks the public love them,” says a senior official. “But they don’t.” And therefore, he adds, politicians don’t care about RTÉ.

Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

The govt sacked the entire RTE authority in the 70s. Not exactly the action of someone who loves you is it?

amadangomor

bunderoon wrote: »

Yes, I firmly believe that RTE were and still is an arm of the government. That and the catholic church seem to the main reasons for the Irish being so ignorant to what was going on over the last 60-70 years. The debt tiger crash in 07 and the spin that was spun in the years since would be the last biggest example of dis-info peddled by the daily and spoofed to the people by RTE.

Ah here, RTE were one of the biggest purveyors of doom and gloom during the recession, hardly propaganda for the government, the opposite actually.

KWAG2019

The government will let RTE die when it ceases to be an organ of politically correct groupthink and starts calling politicians to serious and unremitting account for their incompetence.

fr336

Good old Netflix, full of other broadcaster's shows.

ILoveYourVibes

amadangomor wrote: »

Ah here, RTE were one of the biggest purveyors of doom and gloom during the recession, hardly propaganda for the government, the opposite actually.

Yes.

However it must be pointed out. I feel RTE journalists felt they had fallen asleep during the boom a little. Or at least couldn't understand the consequences for what was going on. This fact was not lost on them but only in retrospect.

I know a lot of people in rte felt they have the personal responsibility to get to the truth during that time. They genuinely felt they owed to the Irish public. And they did owe it to us.

Ready4Boarding

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely



Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

This is hilarious. You even present your thoughts like a conspiracy theorist. Got any more irrelevant links you could spam me with?!

An unnamed source says no one in government “has a good word to say,” yet that same government has just extended RTE 10m in funding. Being unhappy with RTE’s news coverage is not the same as hating it or willing it to disappear.

FAMLEE

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely



Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

Bullshi1t article, "Most Politicians" .. what about the rest? Reverse psychology at its finest, no scandals like Saville as of yet, but what about the thousands of poor young feckers abused by priests in that #metoo era, Magdalene laundries etc?

It makes me mad because they prey on the elderly people who have been stuffed with their sh1te for decades, it's not like many millennials will suck up their propaganda now is it?

The fact of the matter is the RTE is supposed to be a national broadcaster for us payed by us, but they don't broadcast the real Ireland and never did!! So what's the point anymore?

A lot of wastage is right.. All of it is wastage.. knock down any rte associated buildings and build affordable housing for the PEOPLE OF IRELAND IN THIS HOUSING CRISIS

ILoveYourVibes

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

Being unhappy with RTE’s news coverage is not the same as hating it or willing it to disappear.

What are you unhappy with?

Ready4Boarding

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What are you unhappy with?

About RTE? Nothing. I’m just ridiculing you’re deranged anti-government ramblings.

elperello

I hope RTE or whatever name our national broadcaster is to be known as never dies.

We need TV and radio stations that reflect our own country our history and culture, our sports and pastimes, not some dreadful conglomeration of what UK and US companies want to broadcast.

If it ever comes to pass and you are all sitting in corners looking at your Netflix or Amazon on your personal devices you will know what was lost but it will be too late.

ILoveYourVibes

FAMLEE wrote: »

Bullshi1t article, "Most Politicians" .. what about the rest? Reverse psychology at its finest, no scandals like Saville as of yet, but what about the thousands of poor young feckers abused by priests in that #metoo era, Magdalene laundries etc?

No other news broadcaster covered the laundries like RTE. I can assure you.

You had the states of fear documentary in the early 90s.

The CICA was established as a result of that documentary. It brought forth an apology from Ahern.

Without RTE you would never have even have HEARD about the maggie laundries unless you yourself or a family member had been in one.

And only they have continued to keep it in the news on Irish tv.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-priest-who-filmed-inside-a-dublin-magdalene-laundry-1.4060665

The priest who filmed inside a Dublin Magdalene Laundry
Fr Jack Delaney made rare films depicting Irish life before the advent of television

Considering the govt has decided to make certain sites hotels etc with no reference their history if it weren't for RTE and RTE PLAYER most people in the next generation wouldn't have a clue the maggie laundries even existed.

KWAG2019

elperello wrote: »

I hope RTE or whatever name our national broadcaster is to be known as never dies.

We need TV and radio stations that reflect our own country our history and culture, our sports and pastimes, not some dreadful conglomeration of what UK and US companies want to broadcast.

If it ever comes to pass and you are all sitting in corners looking at your Netflix or Amazon on your personal devices you will know what was lost but it will be too late.

The problem is that RTE fulfills that role less and less. Can you imagine a Late Late that challenges the dominant ideology today in the way Gaybo challenged the toxic RC church? I can’t. I never see politicians and their parties demolished because RTE can’t bite the hand that feeds it. And it has undermined itself by paying vastly inflated salaries to mediocrities like Tubridy, Marian, Duffy, O’ Callaghan and the insufferable Darcy.

ILoveYourVibes

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The problem is that RTE fulfills that role less and less. Can you imagine a Late Late that challenges the dominant ideology today in the way Gaybo challenged the toxic RC church? I can’t. I never see politicians and their parties demolished because RTE can’t bite the hand that feeds it. And it has undermined itself by paying vastly inflated salaries to mediocrities like Tubridy, Marian, Duffy, O’ Callaghan and the insufferable Darcy.

I understand your feelings.

Part of the issue is this. If RTE plays too hard or gives an interview that is too tough they will find themselves frozen out.

Also Tubridy is too close to politicians in his family to be in the role he is in IMO. He isn't a bad person ..and he's intelligent. But he is totally wrong for the role and should go.

They need a generation of journalists from different backgrounds ..working class backgrounds in particular ...with a rebel streak.


The rest of Europe had maggie laundries too ...but only Ireland has totally reversed its stance on the church with the level of revulsion for the church. You don't see that in Spain etc. It has a lot to do with RTE.

FAMLEE

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They need a generation of journalists from different backgrounds ..working class backgrounds in particular ...with a rebel streak.

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

ILoveYourVibes

FAMLEE wrote: »

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

I don't think its doomed just yet.


True it should have reported that 50 yrs ago. But there were different people in RTE at the top then. They had different perspectives and different priorities.

They would have all been mostly middle class or upper class and all white men etc. Very few women then. It was a very very small club.

Its STILL a very very small club and needs a LOT more diversity.

elperello

FAMLEE wrote: »

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

You RTE apocalypse doesn't ring true.
There is nothing wrong with RTE that can't be fixed.
All that's needed is a plan and the will to implement it.