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What do we want this coming decade?

  • 23-12-2019 4:37pm
    #1
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭


    So.. In just over a week we will see the end of one decade and the start of another. Mad to think how quick this one has flown!

    So .... If we ares still around here to be posting in 2029, what accomplishments do we want and expect to see?

    my hopes are:
    DU and electrification of Maynooth/M3, Northern and Kildare lines
    Busconnects in some form
    More frequent and later intercity services on some lines
    24 hour services on DART and LUAS alongside bus services

    Time will tell!

    On another note, happy and peaceful Christmas and New Year everyone and roll on another, hoperfully more happy prosperus new decade! :)


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  • #2
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Rebuilding of the GNR Derry Road; reopening of Midleton/Youghal and Goold's Cross/Cashel. I can but dream!


    Happy Christmas everybody and enjoy your chicken/turkey dinners. :D

    ****



  • #3
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Be more interesting for people to post their predictions and look back on them in 10 years time!!!


  • #4
    SauNewb
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭SauNewb


    I think public transport needs a lot of improvement. I imagine the population will grow in the next 10 years.

    Would like to see an appropriate Luas service where you aren't crammed in a sardine.

    Also, the number of people buying houses outside Dublin and commuting will probably rise also. Unless new roads are built/good public transport is put in place a lot of people will be spending 30 hours a week in traffic. I spend close to 20 hours a week at the moment.


  • #5
    victor8600
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Dublin Metro (Underground). Just a wild fantasy!


  • #6
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    MetroLink

    Cabra Station on PPT line

    all the signalling issues on the DART/City Centre Capacity Issues sorted

    North Wall Station reopened as Stage one of DART Underground

    Finglas LUAS

    Passing Loops on Northern Line



    If we got all these in the next decade that would be serious progress with the provision to expand going forward.


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  • #7
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    The more I think the North Wall Station/DARTundergroud phase 1, the more I am near evangelical about it.

    This is a real do-able and sellable project.


  • #8
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Fully electric buses!!!

    Much more electric cars and vans, hell maybe even trucks....

    The greens will find a new tax to combat the loss of revenue from motorists such as an extra electricity charge etc....

    EV scooters and bikes more common.

    If we are serious about traffic and speeding up it's flow we need more using mopeds/motorcycles....

    CCTV controlled bus lanes and bus only turns and streets.

    Underground M50 or it on stilts.


  • #9
    Better Than Christ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    More buses
    More bus lanes
    More cycling infrastructure
    Less space for private cars on roads served by public transport
    Total ban on on-street parking along all bus routes


    Force people who live on public transport routes out of their cars, not by increasing the cost of driving (i.e. selling indulgences to those who can afford it), but by making it painfully inconvenient.


  • #10
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Upgrade the Waterford line again please.
    Double tracking the whole way and express trains
    Also late night services.

    Daily commuter trains from Clonmel in each direction to limerick/waterford.


    I can dream right? :pac:


  • #11
    Caranica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Two pipe dreams...

    M20 and Metro West. When I bought my home in D15 my road was due to have two metro West stops. With bus connects due to remove any sense of decent bus services it's so needed but not in project Ireland 2040 so no hope.

    M20 is so badly needed. It doesn't need explanation surely?


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  • #12
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Realistic and comprehensive park and ride. Stop pretending to try for perfection (journeys without a car at all) and offer a good option of public transport for the most congested part of the journey.Half the cars off the road half the journey is a least as good as one quarter off he road for all journeys.


  • #13
    Sligo eye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Sligo eye


    Scrap NTA as it stands.
    Scrap CIE and replace it and the NTA with a body that understands and regulates public transport and not give in to the car lobby
    DART Underground fully implemented.
    Extend DART to Dublin Airport from Clongriffin.
    Stop and start all InterCity rail journeys to and from Dublin Airport.
    Triple track from Clongriffin to Connolly.
    M3 Parkway to Navan extension.
    DART extension to Maynooth and Kildare.
    Double track Portarlington to Galway
    Run rail services around the clock, train and recruit sufficient staff to run these services.
    Encourage rail freight
    New North-South rail spine from Cork to Derry via limerick, Galway, Tuam, Sligo
    Midleton-Youghal reopened
    Shannon Airport extension
    Expand Connolly to be Central Transport terminal for Dublin.
    Bus services to be repurposed to feed rail connections.


  • #14
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    Sligo eye wrote: »
    Extend DART to Dublin Airport from Clongriffin.
    Stop and start all InterCity rail journeys to and from Dublin Airport.


    I like this.


  • #15
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    Well designed bus lanes (maybe even properly segregated ones), automated bus lane fine cameras with €150 fines for first time offenders rising up to €1000 for repeat ones, taxis banned from bus lanes, more 24hr normal bus routes, longer Luas running hours til at least 2am on weekdays 4am on weekends. More tri axle double door buses like Edinburgh have.

    Very basic stuff to be wishing for in 2020's and I'm fairly sure most will not happen.

    I have no hope that any underground or electrification will happen and BusConnects is already dead and buried.


  • #16
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Caranica wrote: »
    Two pipe dreams...

    M20 and Metro West. When I bought my home in D15 my road was due to have two metro West stops. With bus connects due to remove any sense of decent bus services it's so needed but not in project Ireland 2040 so no hope.

    M20 is so badly needed. It doesn't need explanation surely?

    In the immortal words of Andy Partridge of XTC “I want to see a river of orchids where there once was a motorway” #NoPlanetB


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Galway focused

    Bus lanes on all routes
    Segregated cycle lanes
    Double tracking to Portarlington
    More streets pedestrianised
    Congestion charge
    Council car parks change to hourly rate of parking


  • #18
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Let’s hope for more endless public consultations! Then they might get around to starting work on Dublin metro in 2040, for a completion date some time in 2050 ...


  • #19
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i want ross not to be re-elected.


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Large Dublin outer ring joining the M1 to the M11 while intersecting the M2/3/etc

    All the branches off the capital made into motorway standard (with three lanes if possible) all the way to the end (Sligo, etc).

    Also the M20 and M25 to be built.

    Blanket as much of the main routes in the country as possible with average speed cameras.

    Variable speed limits based on road conditions with strict enforcement.

    Penalty points for anyone found by investigation to be the cause of a collision no matter how minor.


    -


  • #21
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    An underground rail link from Dublin Airport to Connolly and Heuston.


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  • #22
    Dravokivich
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    thenightman wrote: »
    Well designed bus lanes (maybe even properly segregated ones), automated bus lane fine cameras with €150 fines for first time offenders rising up to €1000 for repeat ones, taxis banned from bus lanes, more 24hr normal bus routes, longer Luas running hours til at least 2am on weekdays 4am on weekends. More tri axle double door buses like Edinburgh have.

    Very basic stuff to be wishing for in 2020's and I'm fairly sure most will not happen.

    I have no hope that any underground or electrification will happen and BusConnects is already dead and buried.

    Why would you take taxis out of bus lanes? Bus lane cameras would suggest it's possible to regulate proper usage by taxis.


  • #23
    magicbastarder
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    taxis are not an efficient use of bus lanes. in general, the probably move as many people per car as a private car does.

    in short, why should i be allowed sit in a car in a bus lane if i've paid someone to drive me, when i'm not allowed use that lane in my own car even if it's full of people?


  • #24
    Dravokivich
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    Because you are paying for it. It's a PSV licence that Grant's them the use of it while providing a service. Why would you get s taxi if you are going to be stuck in the traffic? Taxis are a great way to supplement what cant be achieved by hard set routes for public transport. I've never been in one to follow the bus route I could have taken.


  • #25
    magicbastarder
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Because you are paying for it.
    i pay for my car too, and i pay all the taxes required to own and operate it. paying has nothing to do with it.
    and there's nothing to stop taxis supplementing what can't be provided by hard set PT routes, by using 'normal' lanes of traffic.

    bus lanes should be provided for public transport which makes efficient use of the road. taxis offer pretty much nothing in terms of efficient use of road space - and frequently clog up bus lanes in the city centre, and are a *very* common reason that bus lanes become inefficient.
    taxis were only allowed in bus lanes in dublin in (i think) 1997, which was a stupid move.


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i pay for my car too, and i pay all the taxes required to own and operate it. paying has nothing to do with it.

    bus lanes should be provided for public transport which makes efficient use of the road. taxis offer pretty much nothing in terms of efficient use of road space - and frequently clog up bus lanes in the city centre, and are a *very* common reason that bus lanes become inefficient.

    You’re not paying directly to use the bus lanes though, they are. Just because you pay road tax doesn’t mean it’s for using a bus/taxi lane.


  • #27
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i pay for my car too, and i pay all the taxes required to own and operate it. paying has nothing to do with it.
    and there's nothing to stop taxis supplementing what can't be provided by hard set PT routes, by using 'normal' lanes of traffic.

    bus lanes should be provided for public transport which makes efficient use of the road. taxis offer pretty much nothing in terms of efficient use of road space - and frequently clog up bus lanes in the city centre, and are a *very* common reason that bus lanes become inefficient.
    taxis were only allowed in bus lanes in dublin in (i think) 1997, which was a stupid move.

    Efficiency should be looked at from the perspective of the customer, not the people managing the service. In transport, the waste is time taken to complete the activity. Not the load.


  • #28
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    You’re not paying directly to use the bus lanes though, they are. Just because you pay road tax doesn’t mean it’s for using a bus/taxi lane.
    true, but as i said, i regard paying for it or not paying for it to be moot.
    if, as suggested, it's a way for people to pay to beat the traffic, then it's a premium service, not a 'public' service.


  • #29
    Dravokivich
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    true, but as i said, i regard paying for it or not paying for it to be moot.
    if, as suggested, it's a way for people to pay to beat the traffic, then it's a premium service, not a 'public' service.

    But it is a public service?


  • #30
    adocholiday
    Registered Users Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    I'd like to the the Rosslare to Connolly route double tracked and electrified. It's a badly needed upgrade for that route and I think a much better use of money than upgrading the N11.

    I'd also like to see more frequent and later trains. Just an example but the last train leaving Connolly that goes beyond Greystones is at 18.30 which is much too early.


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  • #31
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    But it is a public service?

    Is the taxi a bus?


  • #32
    Dravokivich
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Is the taxi a bus?

    Is a van with seats in the back?


  • #33
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Is a van with seats in the back?

    You're not making sense.


  • #34
    Dravokivich
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    You're not making sense.

    Public transport doesnt need to be aligned to a designated route. Private hire coaches can use'em too.


  • #35
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    rail link to DUB airport / metro north.

    more EV chargers

    some kinda rail for west dublin, i dont live there but its clearly needed.


  • #36
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    . A lot more pedestrianisation in Dublin City Centre.
    . ANPR cameras in Dublin Bus to catch the buggers clogging up the bus lanes constantly.
    . Removal of on street parking on the Dublin Quays.
    . Removal of Free parking for CS and PS (Wood Quay, I'm looking at you!)
    . Just generally would like PT to get a look in along with cyclists and pedestrians. Cars can
    feck right off already.
    . Happy New Year of hope.


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  • #37
    Kewreeuss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Kewreeuss


    Oh Spanish Eyes, do you live along the quays?


  • #38
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Kewreeuss wrote: »
    Oh Spanish Eyes, do you live along the quays?

    Not telling ya ;)

    Anyway North and South Quays are great arteries in and out and should be smooth and quick for PT surely? Easily done if the will was there WRT enforcement of the bus lanes. South Quays seem to be better than the North for bus lanes somehow.


  • #39
    Dravokivich
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Not telling ya ;)

    Anyway North and South Quays are great arteries in and out and should be smooth and quick for PT surely? Easily done if the will was there WRT enforcement of the bus lanes. South Quays seem to be better than the North for bus lanes somehow.

    North quays have more roads that feed off it. South quays have more roads that lead onto it. The issue there is the varying routing of the one way systems around the city.


  • #40
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Gonna go selfishly cork centric, docklands to balincolig brt line, ( it's only 20 ish years away (apparently)

    An n40 orbital route ... Yeah right ...

    Upgraded city buses and improved bus routes that actually give a ****e about punctuality
    ,
    Legalise electric scooters ......

    Mallow to midleton commuter trains with like stations and stuff and maybe make it a bit quicker too ,it's 30 mins to do 12 miles on a newish straight track with one level crossing going into Kent and 3 level crossings at midleton ( don't bother going to youghal ,but maybe continue beyond midleton and link to the n25 for a midleton East Park and ride and station .... ( New track and land required )

    A transport interchange with park and ride at dunkettle ,linking bus,train ,n40 orbital ,( and a bus routes link to glanmire to for the crack )

    Oh and much more frequent/faster cork Dublin trains,(cheaper would be nice too...)

    Thats for a start ...without hitting the multibillion motorways .

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #41
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Gonna go selfishly cork centric, docklands to balincolig brt line, ( it's only 20 ish years away (apparently)

    It's like more about filling up the two local rags with hopeful articles about a Luas for Cork rather than getting anything done.
    How the Jaysus did they plan and build urban tramways in less than half that time over 100 years ago when they had to go through Acts of Parliament and all they had were shovels and wheelbarrows? It's pathetic.


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In Cork, have the existing buses actually show up reliably. Half the time thhey either don't show at all or are wildly at variance to the laughably inaccurate "real time" app.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/welcome-cork-man-baffled-bus-21161474


  • #43
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Would also support the introduction of measures to eliminate taxis from critical bus lanes. Just because you have a psv licence does not mean that there is some god given right to use the bus lane. Do cyclists have psv licences?

    We already have contra-flow bus lanes which ban taxis and they work extremely well in my experience (see Camden St).


  • #44
    Phil.x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    An underground rail station or two in the city from the maynooth line.


  • #45
    MrAbyss
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    Dunleer is another station that should be reopened I think.


  • #46
    pad199207
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Irish Rail Kildare Line.

    Bring the DART down to Sallins and Naas.

    Close Sallins and Naas Station and develop a new much larger station at the new Sallins bypass with Park and Ride facilities. Take the huge and ever growing pressure off Sallins.


  • #47
    Tomrota
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭Tomrota


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Irish Rail Kildare Line.

    Bring the DART down to Sallins and Naas.

    Close Sallins and Naas Station and develop a new much larger station at the new Sallins bypass with Park and Ride facilities. Take the huge and ever growing pressure off Sallins.
    This is more than obvious to any urban planner but the current government isn’t interested in providing public transport, increasing capacity, or moving people out of their cars.

    I hope to see multiple DART lines, more Luas lines, and at least 3 metro lines to bring the city up to the bear minimum of European standards and allow for the mass transit of individuals around the city. We should go further and plan ahead but PT is so neglected at this stage that I’d settle for anything. Just start building... anything.

    I don’t want to have to be sitting on the M50 and N7 in 2030. I’m not spending 6 and a half days sitting on buses in congested streets that weren’t designed for traffic, nevermind bus lanes or mass transit.


  • #48
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    adocholiday wrote: »
    I'd like to the the Rosslare to Connolly route double tracked and electrified. It's a badly needed upgrade for that route and I think a much better use of money than upgrading the N11.

    I'd also like to see more frequent and later trains. Just an example but the last train leaving Connolly that goes beyond Greystones is at 18.30 which is much too early.

    I do share this sentiment as well. Electrification is probably the easiest part of this proposal given that it would merely be a continuation of the wiring from Greystones south-wards. However, the double-tracking would be a mammoth undertaking due to the myriad of challenges between Bray and Rosslare. The most obvious challenge is Bray Head as the track was routed via the cliffy seaward side instead of the less exposed western side. I've outlined some of the other limitations in the post here.


  • #49
    andrewfaulk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    Sligo eye wrote: »
    Scrap NTA as it stands.
    Scrap CIE and replace it and the NTA with a body that understands and regulates public transport and not give in to the car lobby
    DART Underground fully implemented.
    Extend DART to Dublin Airport from Clongriffin.
    Stop and start all InterCity rail journeys to and from Dublin Airport.
    Triple track from Clongriffin to Connolly.
    M3 Parkway to Navan extension.
    DART extension to Maynooth and Kildare.
    Double track Portarlington to Galway
    Run rail services around the clock, train and recruit sufficient staff to run these services.
    Encourage rail freight
    New North-South rail spine from Cork to Derry via limerick, Galway, Tuam, Sligo
    Midleton-Youghal reopened
    Shannon Airport extension
    Expand Connolly to be Central Transport terminal for Dublin.
    Bus services to be repurposed to feed rail connections.

    Double track Portarlington to Galway is a no brainer, even Portarlington to Athlone would be good to see..

    Cost wouldn’t be too high, project could probably done using mainly existing IE resources and the would benefit journey times and reliability on both the Galway and Westport lines..

    As a plus, it would also help with promoting railfreight also. Running times would be reduced for trains to the west, more paths/capacity, and longer trains(21 plus wagons) would be possible

    Don’t know why this project gets next to no mention or support, the people of the west pushing for the WRC phase 2 would be better served pushing double track Port to Athlone.


  • #50
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I want more and much desperately needed, public consultations...


  • #51
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    For Kerry I want that Millstreet Station be given a second platform to thus utilise the passing loop there, this would reduce delays considerably.

    The current Killarney station should be closed to end the 10-15mins of wasted time whilst the train reverses in and out of the station, move it 200-300 metres further down towards Mallow direction and there is plenty space.

    There should be a 2 car IE-2600 or IE-2800 DMU car set meeting the 9pm ex Heuston-Cork service at Mallow at 23:05 providing a link to Tralee, the 7pm last service for Kerry is far too early.

    Aer Lingus removed from the Kerry PSO Air-route and give it back to Ryanair who had you in Dublin for €9.99 in 20 mins, €48 one way for an hours journey with Aer Lingus doesn't cut the mustard compared to Irish Rail. Its only useful for a connecting flight to the US with aer lingus.

    The completion of the Macroom and proposed Adare, NewcastleWest and Abbeyfealse Bypasses will lead to increased connectivity to the county also.


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