Sweden v Ireland healthcare

Omari Enough Photocopier wrote: »

Surely some impacts would be felt e.g. simply Commuting to Denmark (new checkpoints introduced).

The stats and surveys for crime show some very significant rises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden
One chart shows broad 200% rise over 20yrs. Currently crime stands higher than the EU27 average. Reports of sex crimes up 300% in just 3yrs, (BRÅ NTU survey) Perhaps why female-only music festivals haven since been introduced. Gun homicides up circa 250% in 4yrs. Various offences against the individual are all up in recent years https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/swedish-crime-survey.html (nearly double, in all areas, again since 2014-15).

Over 100 big-bangs this year so far: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50339977 Forcing Denmark to reinstates border checks at crossings https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/12/denmark-border-checks-crossings-sweden

Recently Swedish police have announced a 'special national incident' to look into the sudden phonemanal rise of violent crime. Stockholm has also fallen out of the top20 cities index (for the 1st time in ages) (Mercer QoL), for both of the last 2yrs.

Sure, it's low compared to Samolia or somewhere, but the fast rate of increase would be a major consideration in any move, for anyone. Great health service or not.

WIKI is not a credible source.
Secondly my first hand experience of having lived there and what my Swedish friends still living there tell me now is that most of the highly publicised increase in crime like gun murders and public order offences has occurred in several specific areas in the suburbs of the major cities of Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo. Not once in my eight years there did I ever have reason to go to any of those neighbourhoods as I wanted to live where the majority of native Swedes lived. That's why I moved there- to experience Swedish culture and have Swedish friends.

Of course I'm sure you can find trouble if you go to places like Biskopsgården or Rinkeby, especially if you go there with film crews with the intention of provoking the locals gangs into a reaction as some foreign media have done to get their preconceptions validated and good tabloid copy for their viewers. But that tells precisely nothing about how everyday life is for the vast majority of law abiding Swedes or immigrants.

It would be like moving to say the North inner city in Dublin and concluding that Dublin as a whole therefore must be a high crime, drug infested city to stay clear of.

Sexual crime figures are collated differently in Sweden, where every offence is logged as a crime when first reported, and that remains on the stats even if later it has been found that no crime can be proven to have occurred.
Also the number of incidents is collated differently so for example if someone is raped three times in the one time frame that is logged as three cases of rape, not one. Or if a woman is raped every night for six months by her husband that would be logged as perhaps 180 cases of rape, not one.
How many times does this have to be explained before people understand this??
:rolleyes:

Furthermore sexual crimes are reported to the police there at a higher rate than most other countries. Why? because the Swedish police and judiciary enjoy widespread confidence and support, and people there know any such crime will be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated. And corruption is to all intents and purposes non-existent in the Swedish police force.


The stats for bra.se- assault for the last three years show a slightly increasing trend. Slight. The victims were most commonly 16-19 years old. I fall far outside that age bracket.

Threats-again the main victims are in that young age group.

Sexual offences had decreased by 6% between 2017 and 2018.

Robbery remains unchanged. Harassment has unfortunately increased, and again primarily the victims are young women.

Property theft and burglary remains extremely low by international standards and far lower than Ireland. Bicycle theft was the biggest fear I ever had in Sweden.

So yes while sadly there has been an increase in some crimes, you have to break it down to age group and where these crimes occur to get a truer picture.

If I move back it will be to the countryside and outskirts of a sleepy small town somewhere in the South, not to any city anyway; where there are no gangs, no fire bombings and few if any murders or sexual crimes. I'll take my chances with the savage local population of moose and rabbits. :pac:

Now I really don't want get dragged off topic about this again, thanks.

Steyr 556 wrote: »

lovely and all but **** the Systembolaget.

The Systembolaget is fine so long as you don't stupidly leave it until the last minute to buy alcohol, especially the day before Midsummer or New Years. Prices I found reasonable and much lower than in pubs. You can get a reasonable bottle of wine cheaper than here and the staff are knowledgeable.

Still waters wrote: »

100 bombs a year :eek: if that was northern Ireland there would be an international peace commission headed by the yanks

It's a worrying development no doubt, but I think we need to keep it in proportion and take not of this part:
"The attacks are usually carried out by criminal gangs to scare rival groups or their close friends or family, she says.
"This is a serious situation, but most people shouldn't be worried, because they are not going to be affected."

If middle class areas are are now being affected you can be sure the authorities will step up efforts to deal with this.