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N24 - Cahir to Limerick Junction [design and planning underway]

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  • #52
    marno21
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    Christy Browne wrote: »
    Oh okay fair enough.

    In an ideal situation how long will it take to get from Waterford to Limerick when both the Waterford to Cahir and Cahir to Limerick Junction dual carriageways are done?

    It's pretty much 2 hours on the nose at the moment
    The Limerick Junction-Waterford DC will be approx 85km, so assuming you can average 90km/h on it (this is being conservative - but it also could have roundabouts which may be busy at peak times) - you would do that in just under 1 hour

    From there to Limerick is 30km - which if you can average 75km/h would be 24 mins

    It would mean Limerick-Waterford in approx 1hr 20mins - by Limerick-Waterford I mean the M7 at Ballysimon and the N25 at Grannagh - beyond this you are introducing many variables with traffic.

    The DC will provide additional journey dependability as you won't have any towns to go through south of LJ also.


  • #53
    Christy Browne
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    marno21 wrote: »
    The Limerick Junction-Waterford DC will be approx 85km, so assuming you can average 90km/h on it (this is being conservative - but it also could have roundabouts which may be busy at peak times) - you would do that in just under 1 hour

    From there to Limerick is 30km - which if you can average 75km/h would be 24 mins

    It would mean Limerick-Waterford in approx 1hr 20mins - by Limerick-Waterford I mean the M7 at Ballysimon and the N25 at Grannagh - beyond this you are introducing many variables with traffic.

    The DC will provide additional journey dependability as you won't have any towns to go through south of LJ also.

    Jesus that would be some improvement, I make that return trip every week for college and it would sicken you getting stuck behind a tractor or roadworks on a major national road.

    I'll be long finished by the time this is done by the looks of it unfortunately :o


  • #54
    marno21
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    Christy Browne wrote: »
    Jesus that would be some improvement, I make that return trip every week for college and it would sicken you getting stuck behind a tractor or roadworks on a major national road.

    I'll be long finished by the time this is done by the looks of it unfortunately :o
    Limerick-Bearys Cross will likely be pushed by the Limerick Metropolitan Transport Strategy also, which would bring it down to around 22/23km of legacy road.

    The biggest benefit would be the HQ road between Waterford and Limerick Junction, no more Clonmel roundabouts, no more Carrick-on-Suir/Mooncoin/Kilsheelan, no more bends between Bansha-Cahir, no more tight railway bridge near Cahir etc etc. Just 85km of decent road.

    The sooner it's built the better. (I know what you mean about using it weekly and not using it when built - it's the same with me and the M20).


  • #55
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    marno21 wrote: »
    I would be thinking 2021 as a realistic hope for it.

    they had routes picked in 2005 ,I remember being at the meeting but lost all the leaflets ,I remember the 2 routes north and east of Tipperary town were the favoured options


  • #56
    marno21
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    steeler j wrote: »
    they had routes picked in 2005 ,I remember being at the meeting but lost all the leaflets ,I remember the 2 routes north and east of Tipperary town were the favoured options

    They have to start from scratch again unfortunately - all the previously completed work has to be redone


  • #57
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Limerick74


    steeler j wrote: »
    in your experience when u think a route would be selected

    At least two years after engineering consultants appointed.


  • #58
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    At least two years after engineering consultants appointed.

    I doubt I will drive on it in the next 15 years


  • #59
    Paddico
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    marno21 wrote: »
    I would be thinking 2021 as a realistic hope for it.
    Thats just two years away.
    Its not even part of the current transport 21 list pf projects.

    I'd think it will be more like 2025 before we're close


  • #60
    marno21
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    Paddico wrote: »
    Thats just two years away.
    Its not even part of the current transport 21 list pf projects.

    I'd think it will be more like 2025 before we're close
    Transport21 is no longer Government policy, the National Development Plan 2018-2027 is. The NDP (and the associated investment framework) specifies the N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction scheme, and the 2018-2022 funding provides for the scheme to be advanced through planning & design over that period.


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  • #61
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    marno21 wrote: »
    Transport21 is no longer Government policy, the National Development Plan 2018-2027 is. The NDP (and the associated investment framework) specifies the N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction scheme, and the 2018-2022 funding provides for the scheme to be advanced through planning & design over that period.

    wonder will it start at the Limerick side of monard ,there's the railway , racecorse and golf course around Limerick Junction


  • #62
    tails_naf
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Transport21 is no longer Government policy, the National Development Plan 2018-2027 is. The NDP (and the associated investment framework) specifies the N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction scheme, and the 2018-2022 funding provides for the scheme to be advanced through planning & design over that period.

    Does anyone know how this kind of timeframe compares with other countries? It seems quite a long time to me, potentially 3 years, before a sod is even turned, just for design/planning.


  • #63
    Cookiemunster
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    tails_naf wrote: »
    Does anyone know how this kind of timeframe compares with other countries? It seems quite a long time to me, potentially 3 years, before a sod is even turned, just for design/planning.


    And after design/planning you have to wait at least another year for it to go to tender for construction. And that's if the money is actually available.....


  • #64
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    I heard phases 1 to 4 are out to tender and they hope to have it tendered Q4 this year


  • #65
    Limerick74
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    steeler j wrote: »
    I heard phases 1 to 4 are out to tender and they hope to have it tendered Q4 this year


    Not quite what was said on Tipp FM but close


    https://tippfm.com/news/road-safety/progress-n24-development-welcomed/


  • #66
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Not quite what was said on Tipp FM but close


    https://tippfm.com/news/road-safety/progress-n24-development-welcomed/

    I only heard it from a politician and they always make it sound better 😁😂


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  • #67
    davidk1394
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    steeler j wrote: »
    I only heard it from a politician and they always make it sound better ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚

    What stretch of the road are they talking about?


  • #68
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Limerick74


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    What stretch of the road are they talking about?
    N24 Cahir to Limerick Junction


  • #69
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    An inner relief road in Tipperary town is being talked about,any opinions on what will this do to the bigger project cahir to Limerick junction


  • #70
    road_high
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    steeler j wrote: »
    An inner relief road in Tipperary town is being talked about,any opinions on what will this do to the bigger project cahir to Limerick junction

    Probably give them an excuse to delay it even further...sigh. It’ll take hustvas long to progress a new relief road from scratch anyway


  • #71
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    road_high wrote: »
    Probably give them an excuse to delay it even further...sigh. It’ll take hustvas long to progress a new relief road from scratch anyway

    That's what locals are worried about a excuse to put off the real bypass,they tried years ago for a relief road but it was very badly thought out plan


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  • #72
    Paddico
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    http://tippfm.com/news/cahir-limerick-junction-road-completed-2027/?fbclid=IwAR3DgpZLkqZEZ79dQcaXiT9SAep5N9SZxbYVL1lIeSn6M6pRDl-XNo5s-Y0


  • #73
    Paddico
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    Timescales for this seem way off.

    Route selection hasn't even begun, never mind agreed


  • #74
    marno21
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    Current timescales for projects like this are 8-13 years, however nothing has been done on this project to date.

    Open to correction but Phases 1-4 haven't been tendered on this yet.

    It's one of three projects in the NDP which haven't been tendered yet for Phases 1-4 (everything has moved bar the two N24 schemes and the M50 South Port Access).


  • #75
    steeler j
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    Hopefully it will be tendered soon ,the timescale seems optimistic for it to be done by


  • #76
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Limerick74


    Likely to be tendered using TII Framework so not visible on etenders.


  • #77
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Limerick74


    Contract signed with Arup https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/home/499909/5m-contract-signed-for-n24-cahir-to-limerick-junction-road-improvement-scheme.html


  • #78
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Great news 😃


  • #79
    Jayuu
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    steeler j wrote: »
    Great news 😃
    Yep I agree but this is only for the design. It'll be many years I suspect before we get to the build stage!


  • #80
    road_high
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    Jayuu wrote: »
    Yep I agree but this is only for the design. It'll be many years I suspect before we get to the build stage!

    Wasn’t it already designed pre downturn and then all thrown in the bin after?


  • #81
    annfield1978
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    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Contract signed with Arup https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/home/499909/5m-contract-signed-for-n24-cahir-to-limerick-junction-road-improvement-scheme.html


    €5 Million seems very high.

    N4 Mullingar to Longford (Roosky) was awarded for €5 Million and that was a 50km scheme


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  • #82
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    annfield1978 wrote: »
    €5 Million seems very high.

    N4 Mullingar to Longford (Roosky) was awarded for €5 Million and that was a 50km scheme

    I was thinking that myself


  • #83
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Limerick74


    Would be surprised if it finished at Limerick Junction. Why not take it to Ballysimon Junction in Limerick?


  • #84
    road_high
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    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Would be surprised if it finished at Limerick Junction. Why not take it to Ballysimon Junction in Limerick?

    Probably doing what they can realistically get funding for....


  • #85
    Paddico
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    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Would be surprised if it finished at Limerick Junction. Why not take it to Ballysimon Junction in Limerick?

    Cost I imagine but why not Pallas or Oola even and avoid another village


  • #86
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Would be surprised if it finished at Limerick Junction. Why not take it to Ballysimon Junction in Limerick?

    It might finish Limerick side of monard,lots of obstacles around the Limerick junction


  • #87
    Christy Browne
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    Does this move anything forward on the Waterford to Cahir dual carriageway or are they considered to be completely separate?


  • #88
    road_high
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    Christy Browne wrote: »
    Does this move anything forward on the Waterford to Cahir dual carriageway or are they considered to be completely separate?

    Not really. I'd say that's way down the priority list and they are looking at doing the worst section first/if at all. That section has had various upgrades in places, but west of Cahir nothing was ever done.


  • #89
    marno21
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    Completely separate. To my knowledge tenders haven't been issued for Waterford-Cahir yet.


  • #90
    Christy Browne
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Completely separate. To my knowledge tenders haven't been issued for Waterford-Cahir yet.

    Surely it would make more sense to do a dual carriageway the whole way between the two cities of Limerick and Waterford than this piece-meal patch up job?


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  • #91
    road_high
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    Christy Browne wrote: »
    Surely it would make more sense to do a dual carriageway the whole way between the two cities of Limerick and Waterford than this piece-meal patch up job?

    It would be desirable but when funding is limited you’ve got to take what comes along. To get a new road built between Cahir and beyond Tipperary would be an enormous step forward from what’s currently there


  • #92
    marno21
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    Christy Browne wrote: »
    Surely it would make more sense to do a dual carriageway the whole way between the two cities of Limerick and Waterford than this piece-meal patch up job?
    That's the long term plan, but the current plan is to advance two independent sections, one between Limerick Junction and the M8, and the other between Cahir East and Waterford.

    Limerick Junction-Waterford would be too big on its own.


  • #93
    steeler j
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    This is about to start phase 2 soon ,they lost time during covid 19 lockdown but are hopeful of having public consultations in January


  • #94
    Paddico
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    Any link to this bit of news Steeler?


  • #95
    Limerick74
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    steeler j wrote: »
    This is about to start phase 2 soon ,they lost time during covid 19 lockdown but are hopeful of having public consultations in January

    Sounds unlikely unless just a consultation for constraints study. These things take time and it’s a big scheme.


  • #96
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Sounds unlikely unless just a consultation for constraints study. These things take time and it’s a big scheme.

    Local poltian announced it on social media ,it looks like it is consultations are for constraints study


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  • #97
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Paddico wrote: »
    Any link to this bit of news Steeler?

    I don't have ,just local councillor announcement on social media


  • #98
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    A website about to be launched soon on the scheme


  • #99
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭steeler j


    Q2 2021 for route options


  • #100
    Paddico
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    Thats great but seems like a very aggressive timeline


  • #101
    spacetweek
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    Surprisingly the TII have indicated that this scheme will be a 35 km motorway, the M24.


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