Where are we off to tomorrow

wrangler · 05-12-2019 10:05pm

kk.man wrote: »

Triple the AOs in all Irish meat plants. Check every dispatch rigorously, introduce new grading machines, cut Bord Bia funding, get big Phil to put a spotlight under supermarket's and meat plants, inspect all factory feed lots with a microscope. Publish details of all policital donations over the last 20 years. Introduce legislation to that all companies must publish accounts. Get revenue into every meat company to tooth comb their accounts.
The government are a powerful force and the meat companies know it. The don't hand out confetti of donations because they believe in the body politic.

Doubling the public service in these areas will only make it twice as bad not twice as good,
And that statement is a lot nearer the truth than any any talk of IFA being paid off by anyone.
Time for farmers (and the public) to cop on to the public service, if they were doing their job the grading would be monitored, the labelling would be monitored, revenue would be onto any scams and small private enterprise in this country would have some hope of thriving.
Too many Irish people have family in the PS to make any progress

kk.man · 05-12-2019 10:13pm

wrangler wrote: »

Doubling the public service in these areas will only make it twice as bad not twice as good,
And that statement is a lot nearer the truth than any any talk of IFA being paid off by anyone.
Time for farmers (and the public) to cop on to the public service, if they were doing their job the grading would be monitored, the labelling would be monitored, revenue would be onto any scams and small private enterprise in this country would have some hope of thriving.
Too many Irish people have family in the PS to make any progress

I never said it was perfect but Creed has huge powers at his disposal to turn the screw on the factories. He is an extremely weak minister.
The Mll statement alone is after infuriating loads of people by stating that farmers are overdue a price increase. Its like rubbing salt into the farmers wounds.

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 10:22pm

wrangler wrote: »

What can Creed do,

Can you tell me what is the point or intelligence in this protest that the IFA is carrying out today and tomorrow. ?? To get the clap on the back and take all the credit when the 5 or 10 cent rise comes in the next week or two that we all know is coming ??
Funny how it was the main headline in the news as well...though it must have been wet in Naas as photo happy Joe didn't get to burn a bale this time..

wrangler · 05-12-2019 10:27pm

kk.man wrote: »

I never said it was perfect but Creed has huge powers at his disposal to turn the screw on the factories. He is an extremely weak minister.
The Mll statement alone is after infuriating loads of people by stating that farmers are overdue a price increase. Its like rubbing salt into the farmers wounds.

Too much crookedness negligence going on now to make any inroads into it overnight, it'd take years, HSE is a prime example, at least there's no one dying due to beef price......yet

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:00pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Can you tell me what is the point or intelligence in this protest that the IFA is carrying out today and tomorrow. ?? To get the clap on the back and take all the credit when the 5 or 10 cent rise comes in the next week or two that we all know is coming ??
Funny how it was the main headline in the news as well...though it must have been wet in Naas as photo happy Joe didn't get to burn a bale this time..

Other groups protest even if there's no more available, IFA protested because there's now a gap compared with Europe.
I see nothing has changed since I was involved, poor support...never be any different

Should've been a price rise when the first price index came out, second one was higher again and still no price rise

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 11:14pm

wrangler wrote: »

Other groups protest even if there's no more available, IFA protested because there's now a gap compared with Europe.
I see nothing has changed since I was involved, poor support...never be any different

Should've been a price rise when the first price index came out, second one was higher again and still no price rise

Poor support because the IFA is finished. About as relevant as Macra ( No offence to them ). Factories collecting levies for IFA finished them when **** hit the fan.
Be interesting to see how many people bit in IFA elections this time compared to last

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 11:15pm

What did he think of Joe on prime time ??

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:24pm

Jjameson wrote: »

The lauded European average price. Including an beef from an economy like Poland, and inclusive of grain fed Italian and German R3 bull price rather than like for like grass based steer...
Though we supply 270,000 tonnes of beef to the highest priced market, the uk , 50% of our output and 70% of their imports, because we have steer and heifer beef identical or better than their own. Irish beef price has a direct bearing on dragging uk beef price up or down, this summer and fall the Irish processors along with uk retailers pulled a coup on the pretext of a monster called brexit.

The ifa should operate under proper democratic mandate from members. They should not have had to turn to beef plan and other splinter groups for action.

I would've thought that history has proved them right, protesting in Sept was a wasted effort. and destroyed the autumn for farmers

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:32pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Poor support because the IFA is finished. About as relevant as Macra ( No offence to them ). Factories collecting levies for IFA finished them when **** hit the fan.
Be interesting to see how many people bit in IFA elections this time compared to last

Poor support in Dublin last week too, poor support for protests for the last ten years at least and I've been saying that on here too so it's not just since the proverbial hit the fan '''authors of their own demise''

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:43pm

Jjameson wrote: »

The main farming union is obsessed with the news section of the journal, glossy pamphlets, with bluster about delivery, getting things over the line, hooray for the emperor.
Sign up today, revenue, levies.

And let us be ridden bareback by the beef barons. Watch European and uk price index’s until the widening gap indicates an imminent rise and then protest with plenty of cameras... thank you Laura ce for gathering up the levies.

Aren't I lucky to be away from it all, tax free income, generous road deal, etc etc etc

tanko · 05-12-2019 11:48pm

It's hilarious listening to the IFA constantly whinging about poor support.
Irish farmers are supporting the IFA to the tune of €12-13 million euros every single year. Where is all this money going?
The IFA fat cats are laughing all the way to their bank.
When will farmers wake up and stop funding lavish lifestyles for them.

MIKEKC · 05-12-2019 11:53pm

tanko wrote: »

It's hilarious listening to the IFA constantly whinging about poor support.
Irish farmers are supporting the IFA to the tune of €12-13 million euros every single year. Where is all this money going?
The IFA fat cats are laughing all the way to their bank.
When will farmers wake up and stop funding lavish lifestyles for them.

They have several offices including one in Brussels. I don't anyone in IFA receives funding for a lavish lifestyle

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:55pm

tanko wrote: »

It's hilarious listening to the IFA constantly whinging about poor support.
Irish farmers are supporting the IFA to the tune of €12-13 million euros every single year. Where is all this money going?
The IFA fat cats are laughing all the way to their bank.
When will farmers wake up and stop funding lavish lifestyles for them.

I would 've preferred they stopped paying too than the constant complaints, you're either not happy and don't pay or you are happy, pay and support but what's going on is ridiculous.

Grueller · 05-12-2019 11:58pm

wrangler wrote: »

I would 've preferred they stopped paying too than the constant complaints, you're either not happy and don't pay or you are happy, pay and support but what's going on is ridiculous.

I'd say by looking at the turnout for local ifa meetings here you will soon get your wish and no one will pay.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 12:01am

MIKEKC wrote: »

They have several offices including one in Brussels. I don't anyone in IFA receives funding for a lavish lifestyle

It's all dirty slander, no proof ,probably half a dozen were involved and they think everyone is crooked,
It was never properly dealt with, I kicked off at a local meeting and was told to leave it, not by the officers but by the ordinary members so again I said ****em. I didn't go back for years

wrangler · 06-12-2019 12:02am

Grueller wrote: »

I'd say by looking at the turnout for local ifa meetings here you will soon get your wish and no one will pay.

So be it

newholland mad · 06-12-2019 12:16am

wrangler wrote: »

Poor support in Dublin last week too, poor support for protests for the last ten years at least and I've been saying that on here too so it's not just since the proverbial hit the fan '''authors of their own demise''

I know of only 2 from our county went last week and both were connected directly or indirectly with the land league.

Sheep breeder · 06-12-2019 12:56am

Ah now come on they couldn’t target them others, sure they have to get as much publicity as they can and it being election time and joe has to go out with a bang.

Sheep breeder · 06-12-2019 12:58am

wrangler wrote: »

I don't know what's happening to Irish meat, for years now I'll only eat lambs we feed here apart from maybe lamb shank when I'm out,
As for ram lambs from now on...ugh
but the last few time s I've got beef out it has been very poor.
Not surprising that people are moving away from it

There is nothing wrong with Irish beef and the lads that complain about it aren’t eating enough of it.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 8:31am

Jjameson wrote: »

There’s a county grain committee chairman that’s directly involved with the land league at today’s protest. The guys who went to Dublin last week would have a lot more validity and integrity than today’s 12 hour farce.. how many of the lorries even related to beef?

Not from what I hear

wrangler · 06-12-2019 8:42am

Jjameson wrote: »

You hear what you want to hear. Where did the ifa get their mandate to go to Lidl this morning?

From about 100 elected farmers from around the country, There would've been two national commitees involved in that decision. If a counties representation is wrong it's their own fault

wrangler · 06-12-2019 9:11am

Jjameson wrote: »

I rung the county livestock chairman yesterday and he claimed to know nothing. There was no mention of it at any of the local branch agms either. If they’d went to Tesco there would be some logic but this is an outrage.

Blocking factories was an outrage too but we just had to set up with it,
Farmers formed splinter groups, they'd be naive to think that they weren't going to cross swords with IFA in the months ahead.
Joe healy justified and defended the protest last night on Prime time which is more that IFOI ever did

memorystick · 06-12-2019 9:39am

wrangler wrote: »

Blocking factories was an outrage too but we just had to set up with it,
Farmers formed splinter groups, they'd be naive to think that they weren't going to cross swords with IFA in the months ahead.
Joe healy justified and defended the protest last night on Prime time which is more that IFOI ever did

You are knowledgeable with hands on farming tips and skills but you really let yourself down with your blind allegiance and loyalty towards Joe. You remind me of my uncle who could never see any wrongdoing with Bertie and FF. He even went to Charlie’s funeral.

Sheep breeder · 06-12-2019 10:14am

memorystick wrote: »

You are knowledgeable with hands on farming tips and skills but you really let yourself down with your blind allegiance and loyalty towards Joe. You remind me of my uncle who could never see any wrongdoing with Bertie and FF. He even went to Charlie’s funeral.

Nail on the head, the old saying comes to mind “ a rise and follow Charlie “

wrangler · 06-12-2019 10:44am

memorystick wrote: »

You are knowledgeable with hands on farming tips and skills but you really let yourself down with your blind allegiance and loyalty towards Joe. You remind me of my uncle who could never see any wrongdoing with Bertie and FF. He even went to Charlie’s funeral.

Sinead Ryan was against Joe last night and she highlighted the generous result IFA got inthe Budget.
Alot of IFAs deliveries over the years have delivered a lot of money for me and only a thick ...... wouldn't acknowledge that,
From 1995 to 2015 is probably the best years farming ever had.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 10:58am

Jjameson wrote: »

Result, Delivered, Deliveries, over the line, a win. Join IFA today and a discount on a willy warmer from Aldi.

The beef barons have went from strength to strength in that time frame. Our politician lay claim to the wins from knee bent cap in hand to Brussels. There’s enough gloating over that.

Oh yea politIcians get up every morning wondering what they'll do for farmers today, God help you, cop yourself on, they don't give a damn about farmers.
There's lots of sectors in Ireland need money far more than farmers and they're in the Dail every day of the week.
Why don't you write a list of demands and hand it in to the Dail and see how you get on

BarryD2 · 06-12-2019 11:39am

kk.man wrote: »

First of all the Gardaí priority is to prevent a breach of the peace in such situations. The IFA ppl are having a peaceful protest note the word peaceful. The French farmers give their police no choice but to intervene.
Aldi and Co can stock whatever beef they want. The make a huge advert that's it's Irish so if they go to the UK to source it they will pay 20% more and if the go to the rest of the EU they will pay 15% more for it. Another point Irish supermarkets only buy less than 5% of what we produce. That won't hurt us either.
Now check your facts before you make an argument.

I dunno - the authorities and companies involved in this have been remarkably tolerant to date. Protest is protest and entirely valid but you can't really have some groups in society basically taking the law into their own hands and interfering with normal business activity. Picketing these depots would be fair enough but blocking supply lorries and supply chains is quite a different matter.

I hear Lidl and Aldi playing it softly, softly at the moment - they're conscious of the PR. But you're only as good as your last customer and nothing at all to stop these companies just taking their business elsewhere, even at a cost. They'd have the financial power to do that.

Sheep breeder · 06-12-2019 12:22pm

Jjameson wrote: »

The ica have as much political pull as the ifa.
When the ifa lost militancy what have politicians got to fear from them. It’s more a case of how do we share the press release for this few bob now so it’s a win for Phil hogan. A delivery from the IFA and got over the line by Michael creed and Andrew Doyle..

How would you like to keep a house in Brussels and two houses here, 2 cars and 2 housekeepers?? It’s not easy!
You should try it.

Don’t rise to the bait, don’t mention Doyle regards doing anything constructive. Have a friend up in Wicklow that was in ag college with and was recently talking about how bad the TB is and how Doyle in all his time in the dail has doing nothing constructive about it and is now hated in the area and in the next election the FF lad will wipe the floor with him. He tried for Brussels job and got wiped out by Mick Wallace who visited ever big town in the area and Doyle attended a few marts.

Trampas · 06-12-2019 12:31pm

When are the blocking dunnes or SuperValu?

Or is just the Germans fault?

What’s the difference between all the main supermarkets?

kk.man · 06-12-2019 12:35pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

I dunno - the authorities and companies involved in this have been remarkably tolerant to date. Protest is protest and entirely valid but you can't really have some groups in society basically taking the law into their own hands and interfering with normal business activity. Picketing these depots would be fair enough but blocking supply lorries and supply chains is quite a different matter.

I hear Lidl and Aldi playing it softly, softly at the moment - they're conscious of the PR. But you're only as good as your last customer and nothing at all to stop these companies just taking their business elsewhere, even at a cost. They'd have the financial power to do that.

Do you realise that dry stock farming is on it's knees in this country? A few years ago farmers might have targeted premesis more select now most farmers don't care because the financial situation has never been as bad and that's not just this year.

Neddyusa · 06-12-2019 3:10pm

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-prices/goodman-beef-group-confirms-beef-price-rise-38760137.html

Throwing fuel on the flames with IFA dig in that ABP statement!

Farming Independent

Beef Prices
Goodman beef group confirms beef price rise

ABP the beef processing group has confirmed the beef price it pays to farmers will rise on Monday.

In a statement, it said, "the company is at a complete loss to understand why Joe Healy, the outgoing IFA President, pursued a course of irresponsible, disruptive and illegal action at retail distribution centres this week".

It said the Beef Task Force met on Tuesday and Joe Healy and the IFA were fully aware that market indications pointed towards a cattle price increase in Ireland.

"Joe Healy is also aware that cattle prices are quoted on a Friday and the timing of this stunt was motivated by competition for membership between traditional and new farm organisations"

MIKEKC · 06-12-2019 3:19pm

kk.man wrote: »

The IFA runin for cover now as the BP or whatever their name is have momentum. IFA seriously miscalculated by not initiated factory protests.
Beef price is a scandal beyond all proportion at this stage. Years ago beef price was poor and factories were picketed agreement reached. Everyone went back to work prices increased and no grudges held. There is something very sinester about this one. I know of the rouge element of some protestors but the factories are getting up with flees this time. By digging their heels in they are only stiring the pot.

I would have no sympathy for the factories if there was a return to the gates. Protests all over the world have changed tactics. These are very powerful instruments of persuasion and most effective.

The only thing the factory protest got was an extra 100,000 overage cattle

MIKEKC · 06-12-2019 3:22pm

wrangler wrote: »

Blocking factories was an outrage too but we just had to set up with it,
Farmers formed splinter groups, they'd be naive to think that they weren't going to cross swords with IFA in the months ahead.
Joe healy justified and defended the protest last night on Prime time which is more that IFOI ever did

You mean he tried to justify it. Let's hope Supervalue gets the same treatment tomorrow

wrangler · 06-12-2019 3:29pm

Jjameson wrote: »

The ica have as much political pull as the ifa.
When the ifa lost militancy what have politicians got to fear from them. It’s more a case of how do we share the press release for this few bob now so it’s a win for Phil hogan. A delivery from the IFA and got over the line by Michael creed and Andrew Doyle..

How would you like to keep a house in Brussels and two houses here, 2 cars and 2 housekeepers?? It’s not easy!
You should try it.

Irish farming will be the joke if they disband for 5c/kg

Bullocks · 06-12-2019 3:43pm

wrangler wrote: »

Irish farming will be the joke if they disband for 5c/kg

Are you attending any of these protests wrangler?

blue5000 · 06-12-2019 3:50pm

So the man from del monte said 'yes'. I suppose if you're a diehard ifa person you could think it's a result. The more cynical of us might think it just goes to show who pays the piper.:rolleyes:

wrangler · 06-12-2019 4:16pm

Bullocks wrote: »

Are you attending any of these protests wrangler?

No, finished now.
Have they disbanded

wrangler · 06-12-2019 4:19pm

blue5000 wrote: »

So the man from del monte said 'yes'. I suppose if you're a diehard ifa person you could think it's a result. The more cynical of us might think it just goes to show who pays the piper.:rolleyes:

Was it 5c
It's no result, If I get 5c in change I throw it in the poor box

06-12-2019 5:55pm

wrangler wrote: »

Factories just think its hilarious having farmers at the gate, the last protest should've finally proved that for everyone.
Farmers pushed it to the limit and got nothing.
50 in naas this morning, 200 in dublin last week. not a lot of people worried out of 100000 or whatever

There was more than 200 in Dublin last week u ifa diehard .

kk.man · 06-12-2019 6:08pm

MIKEKC wrote: »

The only thing the factory protest got was an extra 100,000 overage cattle

The protests achieved a lot more than some give credit for. Big meat processors were putting the boot into the Beef finisher and prices were heading for 3e per kg fast. A procurement manager confirmed that to me during the summer. For the first time in years farmers stood up to the factories and said no. The main farming bodies couldn't see the anger on the ground and buried their heads in the sand by diplomatically asking for a price increase. Mll just used the occasion as a talking shop.
The factories sent out messages that they wanted to collapse the store price as an excuse and get lads to fill sheds.
When the IFA was in a bad place Larry dug their grave deeper by withdrawing fees he collected. Result; weakened IFA and farmer anger. Result; new farm organisation out of no where with militant strategies.
Two sets of strikes when it should have been settled the first time. Factories got bold and thought that was it.
Processing resumes albeit huge kills. The law of supply and demand should have dictated that the price to fall. ABP statement during yesterday states that's their benchmark. Guess what? The price of cattle remains static during the backlog... How do you figure that out?
Cattle prices increase significantly across the UK and EU but Irish factories hold. All bodies who monitor cattle prices agree that we are way behind the rest of the Market. Rumour Mill going on for weeks. IFA blockade two supermarket distribution centres and hey presto we have a increase.
Whether you are a factory person or a farmer if you want to believe in Mll spin doctoring you are entitled to. I for one wouldn't believe a word from them. The only thing a bully understands is a fight. If you give into one you are finished.
I admire what many of what these companies achieved and I'd say it to them if I met them. But I won't be rode either.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 6:21pm

kk.man wrote: »

The protests achieved a lot more than some give credit for. Big meat processors were putting the boot into the Beef finisher and prices were heading for 3e per kg fast. A procurement manager confirmed that to me during the summer. For the first time in years farmers stood up to the factories and said no. The main farming bodies couldn't see the anger on the ground and buried their heads in the sand by diplomatically asking for a price increase. Mll just used the occasion as a talking shop.
The factories sent out messages that they wanted to collapse the store price as an excuse and get lads to fill sheds.
When the IFA was in a bad place Larry dug their grave deeper by withdrawing fees he collected. Result; weakened IFA and farmer anger. Result; new farm organisation out of no where with militant strategies.
Two sets of strikes when it should have been settled the first time. Factories got bold and thought that was it.
Processing resumes albeit huge kills. The law of supply and demand should have dictated that the price to fall. ABP statement during yesterday states that's their benchmark. Guess what? The price of cattle remains static during the backlog... How do you figure that out?
Cattle prices increase significantly across the UK and EU but Irish factories hold. All bodies who monitor cattle prices agree that we are way behind the rest of the Market. Rumour Mill going on for weeks. IFA blockade two supermarket distribution centres and hey presto we have a increase.
Whether you are a factory person or a farmer if you want to believe in Mll spin doctoring you are entitled to. I for one wouldn't believe a word from them. The only thing a bully understands is a fight. If you give into one you are finished.
I admire what many of these companies achieved and I'd say it to them if I met them. But I won't be rode either.

Price has turned for the better and even going by the price index 70000 cattle have been sold 20c/kg less than they should've been, If I'm guessing right it'll start to drop again early January when the christmas credit card bills come in

06-12-2019 6:24pm

kk.man wrote: »

The protests achieved a lot more than some give credit for. Big meat processors were putting the boot into the Beef finisher and prices were heading for 3e per kg fast. A procurement manager confirmed that to me during the summer. For the first time in years farmers stood up to the factories and said no. The main farming bodies couldn't see the anger on the ground and buried their heads in the sand by diplomatically asking for a price increase. Mll just used the occasion as a talking shop.
The factories sent out messages that they wanted to collapse the store price as an excuse and get lads to fill sheds.
When the IFA was in a bad place Larry dug their grave deeper by withdrawing fees he collected. Result; weakened IFA and farmer anger. Result; new farm organisation out of no where with militant strategies.
Two sets of strikes when it should have been settled the first time. Factories got bold and thought that was it.
Processing resumes albeit huge kills. The law of supply and demand should have dictated that the price to fall. ABP statement during yesterday states that's their benchmark. Guess what? The price of cattle remains static during the backlog... How do you figure that out?
Cattle prices increase significantly across the UK and EU but Irish factories hold. All bodies who monitor cattle prices agree that we are way behind the rest of the Market. Rumour Mill going on for weeks. IFA blockade two supermarket distribution centres and hey presto we have a increase.
Whether you are a factory person or a farmer if you want to believe in Mll spin doctoring you are entitled to. I for one wouldn't believe a word from them. The only thing a bully understands is a fight. If you give into one you are finished.
I admire what many of these companies achieved and I'd say it to them if I met them. But I won't be rode either.

The protest that lasted till the end of September highlighted alot of corruption, fraud,and other stuff in the whole beef industry.
Through the use of social media and other internet modes ordinary people from all different political parties and farm organisations have stayed together and are in contact with each other since Last September.
Farmers are not going to lie down longer. Farmers are the backbone of rural Ireland ,and are decent hard working people .rural Ireland is seeing a demise at the minute ie local pubs ,shops,banks,post offices all closing down.
Our young people having to travel away for work, football teams in our community not able to field teams,rural isolation on old people .
We need beef farming viable to keep rural Ireland going

kk.man · 06-12-2019 8:05pm

wrangler wrote: »

Price has turned for the better and even going by the price index 70000 cattle have been sold 20c/kg less than they should've been, If I'm guessing right it'll start to drop again early January when the christmas credit card bills come in

That may very well be Wrangler. However it's all hypothetical and we will never know for sure.

One thing we are certain of is that private industry controls the Beef trade. For example we have diary coops here and they have given a good standard of living to the farmer for decades. There has been hecups but they are farmers serving on the boards to keep the pressure on. In the UK private industry run the diarys and farmers had a much turbulent time over the same few decades despite its 60 odd million on its doorstep.
I for one am not advocating a nationisation or coop style meat plants but you get the picture.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 8:24pm

6480 wrote: »

The protest that lasted till the end of September highlighted alot of corruption, fraud,and other stuff in the whole beef industry.
Through the use of social media and other internet modes ordinary people from all different political parties and farm organisations have stayed together and are in contact with each other since Last September.
Farmers are not going to lie down longer. Farmers are the backbone of rural Ireland ,and are decent hard working people .rural Ireland is seeing a demise at the minute ie local pubs ,shops,banks,post offices all closing down.
Our young people having to travel away for work, football teams in our community not able to field teams,rural isolation on old people .
We need beef farming viable to keep rural Ireland going

Unless they prove it they are at nothing except losing customers through suspicion

Water John · 06-12-2019 8:34pm

I hear 30 was the number picketing Lidl today. The IFA Beef Commodity Committee is bigger than that. A pure stunt, with a bit of malicious intent, that everybody can see through.
They picked on the two retailers who have been the most supportive of farmers.

BarryD2 · 06-12-2019 8:37pm

kk.man wrote: »

Do you realise that dry stock farming is on it's knees in this country? A few years ago farmers might have targeted premesis more select now most farmers don't care because the financial situation has never been as bad and that's not just this year.

Yes I think everyone understands at this stage that some beef farmers are being squeezed between rising costs and low prices. You'd also want to be seeing a full set of farm & household accounts to judge the full effect.

But leaving that aside, put yourself in the shoes of the likes of Aldi or Lidl or any of the other bigger retailers here. You're taking in a product, paying your supplier and selling to the public. Your supplier f***s you over by blocking your commercial activity - what would you do KKMan?

If the arrangement has some benefit to you, you'd likely just suck up the hardship for a little while, whilst keeping your options open. If it doesn't, then you just quietly cut those suppliers out of your procurement. Nobody owes you a living. That's a No1 rule of business and farming is a business.

wrangler · 06-12-2019 8:46pm

Water John wrote: »

I hear 30 was the number picketing Lidl today. The IFA Beef Commodity Committee is bigger than that. A pure stunt, with a bit of malicious intent, that everybody can see through.
They picked on the two retailers who have been the most supportive of farmers.

It was the same in 2013, a lot of us were peed off and aborted the protest, you can't leave it to a few to do it all.
Not surprised they never did it again

BarryD2 · 06-12-2019 8:48pm

kk.man wrote: »

I for one am not advocating a nationisation or coop style meat plants but you get the picture.

Why not? Isn't that a solution that would put pricing more directly in the hands of the producer???

kk.man · 06-12-2019 9:11pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes I think everyone understands at this stage that some beef farmers are being squeezed between rising costs and low prices. You'd also want to be seeing a full set of farm & household accounts to judge the full effect.

But leaving that aside, put yourself in the shoes of the likes of Aldi or Lidl or any of the other bigger retailers here. You're taking in a product, paying your supplier and selling to the public. Your supplier f***s you over by blocking your commercial activity - what would you do KKMan?

If the arrangement has some benefit to you, you'd likely just suck up the hardship for a little while, whilst keeping your options open. If it doesn't, then you just quietly cut those suppliers out of your procurement. Nobody owes you a living. That's a No1 rule of business and farming is a business.

My farming business operates solely on its own merits. It will sink or swim on its own too. Nobody owes me nor any farmer a living. When you go to the supermarket take a look at the price of beef and likewise go to a restaurant and order a steak and then look at what farmers are getting for prime beef 3.50 per kg. The processor has the hide and all it's offal for free and makes big money on it.
If you were a Luas driver or a nurse and not happy with your pay and conditions you can strike. Who does the strike hurt, the employer who pays your salary. Same principle.

kk.man · 06-12-2019 9:17pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Why not? Isn't that a solution that would put pricing more directly in the hands of the producer???

It was tried before by Cork Marts and failed badly. Plus one company controls all the offal from this country.
The expense of starting from scratch would be prohibitive.

Where are we off to tomorrow

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