Jim Gavin

robbie67 · 30-11-2019 2:48pm #1

I don't know if was posted yet but Jim Gavin has resigned from the Dublin Managers Job

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-11-2019 2:49pm

robbie67 wrote: »

I don't know if was posted yet but Jim Gavin has resigned from the Dublin Managers Job

In Dublin thread

Philo62 · 30-11-2019 3:12pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

In Dublin thread

He has been massively successful, like all great leaders he is getting out at the top with reputation intact, will very hard act to follow & Dublin are not going to dominate much longer, if any longer. Probably too late for Mayo but the Kingdom will rejoice

BarryD2 · 30-11-2019 3:24pm

Quit when you're ahead I guess. Good move.

JohnnyFlash · 30-11-2019 3:25pm

Probably going to write a book so banal and cagey that it makes Joe Schmidt’s one seem like an edge of your seat thriller.

DukeCaboom · 30-11-2019 3:26pm

Friends of mine who work in the hospital cant say enough good things about the man.

marvin80 · 30-11-2019 4:43pm

Philo62 wrote: »

He has been massively successful, like all great leaders he is getting out at the top with reputation intact, will very hard act to follow & Dublin are not going to dominate much longer, if any longer. Probably too late for Mayo but the Kingdom will rejoice

I'd be very surprised if they don't win next year again - way ahead of any team there at the moment.

C__MC · 30-11-2019 4:46pm

Absolute gent of a man
Always gracious in defeat and a humble winner

His ability to see Dublin over the line in really tight games was his trademark,

The dismantling of Tyrone in 2017 was brilliant- beat Mickey harte hands down that day

gaffer91 · 30-11-2019 7:32pm

He seems like the greatest manager ever on initial glance but do a little digging and it's clear that with all the unfair advantages Dublin enjoy compared to every other county (population, funding, de facto home advantage etc), judging his true legacy is very difficult. I think many others would have achieved an equivalent level of success with Dublin.

Dublin will continue to dominate for years to come without him, likely endlessly if the status quo is maintained. The test for truly judging Gavin as a manager will be whether he can be relatively successful with a weaker county which doesn't enjoy the advantages Dublin have.

BonnieSituation · 30-11-2019 7:50pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

He seems like the greatest manager ever on initial glance but do a little digging and it's clear that with all the unfair advantages Dublin enjoy compared to every other county (population, funding, de facto home advantage etc), judging his true legacy is very difficult. I think many others would have achieved an equivalent level of success with Dublin.

Dublin will continue to dominate for years to come without him, likely endlessly if the status quo is maintained. The test for truly judging Gavin as a manager will be whether he can be relatively successful with a weaker county which doesn't enjoy the advantages Dublin have.

Ah there it is. Phew. I was worried there.

30-11-2019 7:52pm

Time and a place lads

BonnieSituation · 30-11-2019 7:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Time and a place lads

He's not dead. But some can't keep their bitterness to themselves even for one day.

munster87 · 30-11-2019 7:58pm

In the top 3 of greatest ever GAA managers and still a young man for that job. Would be nice to see him throw his hand at another county in future.

km79 · 30-11-2019 8:05pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Friends of mine who work in the hospital cant say enough good things about the man.

Always came across very well to me as well to be fair
Very few managers get to go out at the top like he has
Fair play to him.
It’s obvious he put in a huge amount of time as a manager to get every detail right so I am not suprised he has gone after the 5 in a row

Kerry will probably sneak in now and steal a soft AI next year while me and mayo suffer on

Stacksofwacks · 30-11-2019 8:40pm

km79 wrote: »

Always came across very well to me as well to be fair
Very few managers get to go out at the top like he has
Fair play to him.
It’s obvious he put in a huge amount of time as a manager to get every detail right so I am not suprised he has gone after the 5 in a row

Kerry will probably sneak in now and steal a soft AI next year while me and mayo suffer on

I still think Dublin will be the team to beat for another few years regardless. 1 championship loss in 7 years is some record, he must surely be up there with Cody and Dwyer as the greatest managers in GAA history, the only to win 5 in a row. He is right to take a step back from it now after all he has put into it. But a more level playing field would be nice, Dublin have been incredible to watch which he deserves massive credit for.

PressRun · 30-11-2019 8:47pm

Some managers linger on too long hoping to keep getting better and better and it usually ends up going stale. He went out on a high having achieved everything he could. Respect.

Philo62 · 30-11-2019 9:14pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I still think Dublin will be the team to beat for another few years regardless. 1 championship loss in 7 years is some record, he must surely be up there with Cody and Dwyer as the greatest managers in GAA history, the only to win 5 in a row. He is right to take a step back from it now after all he has put into it. But a more level playing field would be nice, Dublin have been incredible to watch which he deserves massive credit for.

Absolutely still team to beat but Gavin gave them an edge & picked team on form alone & was merciless in that regard, never seen that before prob never will again

john9876 · 30-11-2019 10:10pm

john9876 · 30-11-2019 10:11pm

aidan24326 · 30-11-2019 10:55pm

No doubt he was a very good manager and you could see that the players respected him.

I still think he could have given a bit more than his 'say nothing and keep saying it' approach to media interviews, for me he didn't need to be so extreme about that and come across so banal, but he obviously had his reasons for doing it like that and he never made it about himself.

But it would have been nice to see a bit of passion from him sometimes or see him drop his guard a bit. Not keep sounding like a politician or a cagey corporate CEO. Because behind the scenes he was surely a much more nuanced character than he allowed anyone outside the group to see.

Well done to him anyway, and fair play for stepping aside and giving someone else a go at it.

Rosita · 30-11-2019 10:58pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

He seems like the greatest manager ever on initial glance

He won 2 Under-21 All-Irelands in 3 years with a county that had won just 1 in the previous 46 years. He won 6 Senior All-Irelands in 7 years with a county that had won just 3 in the previous 36 years. Three of those were by a point and two were in replays yet the team was well organised enough to get through in those very difficult scenarios every time. I think no matter how many glances you take he seems like the greatest manager ever.

ArielAtom · 30-11-2019 11:01pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Probably going to write a book so banal and cagey that it makes Joe Schmidt’s one seem like an edge of your seat thriller.

I suppose you might hope that’s the case.

Rasputin11 · 30-11-2019 11:12pm

He owes the county nothing according to Ciaran Whelan. I hate that aul cliché with a passion.

30-11-2019 11:53pm

Is it a slightly unusual time to retire, shortly before the league begins?

I would have thought if he was retiring he'd have done it a couple of months ago, but now am thinking that he announced it to tho county board and players a while back, or even a select few, and has just been prepping for the handover.

fermanagh_man · 30-11-2019 11:58pm

One of the nicest most humble men in the GAA

False Prophet · 01-12-2019 12:23am

munster87 wrote: »

In the top 3 of greatest ever GAA managers and still a young man for that job.

Top 3?
Guess they do say better to be lucky than good.
He nearly lost 3 of the finals despite all the advantages. Just look at how badly his call to bring in connelly nearly cost them.
That said he is young enough to manage some other team to see if he is anywhere as good as Harte, Heffernan, McGuinness, Mick O'Dwyer, Sean Boylan etc.

Strumms · 01-12-2019 12:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it a slightly unusual time to retire, shortly before the league begins?

I would have thought if he was retiring he'd have done it a couple of months ago, but now am thinking that he announced it to tho county board and players a while back, or even a select few, and has just been prepping for the handover.

I’d imagine it was known for a good while but a clever move to keep quiet until now...

His departure might have otherwise galvanized other counties had it been announced earlier... changed the minds even of players from other counties who had planned say going abroad for a year.

Even his departure is planned with succinct precision so as not to give too much of an advantage to the opposition. Smart and thoughtful.

Best manager the game has seen, easily.

spurshero · 01-12-2019 12:26am

False Prophet wrote: »

Top 3?
Guess they do say better to be lucky than good.
He nearly lost 3 of the finals despite all the advantages. Just look at how badly his call to bring in connelly nearly cost them.
That said he is young enough to manage some other team to see if he is anywhere as good as Harte, Heffernan, McGuinness, Mick O'Dwyer, Sean Boylan etc.

I’m no Dublin fan . McGuinness won one all Ireland Gavin won 7 . And you reckons he has to manage another county to prove if he as good as him . Lord above !

Donnielighto · 01-12-2019 12:35am

False Prophet wrote: »

Top 3?
Guess they do say better to be lucky than good.
He nearly lost 3 of the finals despite all the advantages. Just look at how badly his call to bring in connelly nearly cost them.
That said he is young enough to manage some other team to see if he is anywhere as good as Harte, Heffernan, McGuinness, Mick O'Dwyer, Sean Boylan etc.

Wouldnt rate McGuinness heffo or harte near him. Also where else did they do it?

Micko is better but that's it, your own limits aren't being applied to that list??

False Prophet · 01-12-2019 12:49am

spurshero wrote: »

I’m no Dublin fan . McGuinness won one all Ireland Gavin won 7 . And you reckons he has to manage another county to prove if he as good as him . Lord above !

He won with Donegal! Not kerry or Dublin. He also revolutionized football.

washman3 · 01-12-2019 12:54am

Disappointed to see him go.
Really liked everything about him and his teams.
For me, the greatest GAA manager of all times.

Kevhog1988 · 01-12-2019 12:54am

Micko is the only man ahead of him in my eyes. I think Dublin will be beaten this year.

False Prophet · 01-12-2019 1:02am

Donnielighto wrote: »

Wouldnt rate McGuinness heffo or harte near him. Also where else did they do it?

Micko is better but that's it, your own limits aren't being applied to that list??

Heffo turned Dublin into a powerhouse from a laughing stock, could someone else have, prob not. I cant imagine any true dub who knows his history would have heffo behind him.
Harte won 3 all Irelands despite some tragic circumstances. Would anyone else have? Prob not. Plus changed football
Mcguiness won all Ireland with donegal, no-one else would have. Plus changed football.

For me winning with this unbelievable marvellous squad of Dublin players playing at home with best of everything doesnt compare. In fact at times like bringing Connelly back he nearly caused them to lose. Just look at the standard of player left out of matchday squads.

Strumms · 01-12-2019 2:40am

False Prophet wrote: »

He won with Donegal! Not kerry or Dublin. He also revolutionized football.

That’s like someone saying Howard Wilkinson was a better manager than Alex Ferguson because he won with Leeds, once, a bit Walter Mitty old bean..

spurshero · 01-12-2019 3:50am

False Prophet wrote: »

He won with Donegal! Not kerry or Dublin. He also revolutionized football.

Revolutionised football lol . He turned most people off football . If he was a great manager he would have won another one in 2014 when an average kerry team by there standards beat them in final . Never get all this mcguinness love . He was manager of a big county where there no real rugby soccer or hurling played to a decent level . It’s not the loaves and fishes deal that some make it out to be .

threeball · 01-12-2019 8:14am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it a slightly unusual time to retire, shortly before the league begins?

I would have thought if he was retiring he'd have done it a couple of months ago, but now am thinking that he announced it to tho county board and players a while back, or even a select few, and has just been prepping for the handover.

Not a chance that many people knew and it didn't get out.

Rosita · 01-12-2019 8:44am

False Prophet wrote: »

In fact at times like bringing Connelly back he nearly caused them to lose.

This is a strange comment in the context of the facts and is influenced by a dislike for the personality involved I would say. Connolly came into the drawn final after 67 minutes after which Dublin outscored Kerry by 0-1 to 0-0. In the replay he came on at half-time after which Dublin outscored Kerry by 1-8 to 0-5. (Not saying he was specifically responsible for that but he certainly didn't negatively impact on them)

The reality is that Kerry managed just two points in the last 32 minutes of the replay, only one of those from play, and were outscored 1-17 to 0-11 from play over 76 minutes. Never was a six-point margin more emphatic. The idea that Dublin "nearly lost" is dodgy; the idea that Connolly nearly caused it is just laughable. Obviously he tried an unsuccessful shot at goal in the drawn game but so did Paddy Small and Brian Howard but you don't mention them.

Beechwoodspark · 01-12-2019 12:50pm

Just anecdotally last night was talking to various ppl who’d be into the gaa

There was a muted response when I mentioned JGs retirement from dublin

Just to say I had to bring up the topic which I felt was odd in itself when the talk was on gaa.

The general sense was he is nowhere near Micko but he can claim the drive for 5 but ppl see those wins as tarnished due to the financial doping as some call it. One guy vehemently insulted him which I felt was Ott.

One lady said he’s very humble and doesn’t do it for media attention which I would applaud.

Certainly no weeping and gnashing of teeth over his departure

Beechwoodspark · 01-12-2019 12:54pm

Even I note this morning there’s only 4 pages of comment on this thread about his retirement. Says a lot. I would’ve expected 10 + pages after the news broke to be honest

Is there something more to this

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 01-12-2019 1:27pm

spurshero wrote: »

Revolutionised football lol . He turned most people off football . If he was a great manager he would have won another one in 2014 when an average kerry team by there standards beat them in final . Never get all this mcguinness love . He was manager of a big county where there no real rugby soccer or hurling played to a decent level . It’s not the loaves and fishes deal that some make it out to be .

There's more soccer in Donegal than most counties.

01-12-2019 1:36pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Even I note this morning there’s only 4 pages of comment on this thread about his retirement. Says a lot. I would’ve expected 10 + pages after the news broke to be honest

Is there something more to this

I think it’s just came to a natural end after breaking the record, and because of that it’s not that much of a shock. Plus Dublin supporters would be more respectful than most so after the odd tribute there’s nothing more left to be said.

overshoot · 01-12-2019 5:04pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

There's more soccer in Donegal than most counties.

One of the 10 premier Division teams in the country, constantly provide Irish internationals but no soccer to decent level ?????

McGuiness got Donegal to 3 AI finals and won 4 Ulsters (Inc u21) in 5 years when they hadn't even won a match in Ulster for a number of years or a senior Ulster title ever without mcEniff at the reigns. 2014 was the making of this Dublin team. Would have been great to see more duels between the 2 Jim's. McGuiness admitted Donegal overachieved in 2011 a development year and one up top was a mistake not to be repeated but most can't seem to get over that.

Gavin certainly took the helm at an opportune time, the funding of underage structures over all the previous years coming through and Gilroy had got the AI monkey of the back but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great manager in terms of how prepared his team's were and the performances delieveres. To keep the team so consistently at the top and not let standards slip is an achievement in itself. You can only beat what's in front of you and Kerry never had the All Ireland dominance with a relatively easy path to the AI series too.

Be very interesting to see how his successor does, who else may retire... And tbh I would like to see how he would do at another county, can anyone honestly say they wouldn't?

Beechwoodspark · 01-12-2019 5:18pm

Just now on RTÉ radio they played what was called a “very revealing” interview with a dublin board member (didn’t catch name)

The interview was recorded in the man’s home last night.

He said how JG pulled out of a team photo planned for thurs night and because of that the team photo had to be cancelled.

Then he announces his retirement yest.

the man in the interview kept emphasizing the shock but almost in a blase way saying they’ll get someone in place quickly and move on.

He said there’ll be no big deal made of it and it will take a few mins to ring someone to replace JG. A slightly dismissive tone which I was surprised by.

got the feeling he was “holding back” information for some reason.

I wonder is there something more to this.

Edit. Got the name. Sean Shanley

01-12-2019 5:25pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just now on RTÉ radio they played what was called a “very revealing” interview with a dublin board member (didn’t catch name)

The interview was recorded in the man’s home last night.

He said how JG pulled out of a team photo planned for thurs night and because of that the team photo had to be cancelled.

Then he announces his retirement yest.

the man in the interview kept emphasizing the shock but almost in a blase way saying they’ll get someone in place quickly and move on.

He said there’ll be no big deal made of it and it will take a few mins to ring someone to replace JG. A slightly dismissive tone which I was surprised by.

got the feeling he was “holding back” information for some reason.

I wonder is there something more to this.

Edit. Got the name. Sean Costello.

You’re absolutely dying for there to be more to it anyway

munster87 · 01-12-2019 5:26pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just now on RTÉ radio they played what was called a “very revealing” interview with a dublin board member (didn’t catch name)

The interview was recorded in the man’s home last night.

He said how JG pulled out of a team photo planned for thurs night and because of that the team photo had to be cancelled.

Then he announces his retirement yest.

the man in the interview kept emphasizing the shock but almost in a blase way saying they’ll get someone in place quickly and move on.

He said there’ll be no big deal made of it and it will take a few mins to ring someone to replace JG. A slightly dismissive tone which I was surprised by.

got the feeling he was “holding back” information for some reason.

I wonder is there something more to this.

Edit. Got the name. Sean Costello.

Assuming it was John Costello. More to this? What more are you looking for?

Beechwoodspark · 01-12-2019 5:26pm

It’s just very sudden. I’ve heard rumblings last year but nothing recent

01-12-2019 5:28pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s just very sudden. I’ve heard rumblings last year but nothing recent

Sudden? He has just completed something that no manager was ever able to achieve in the game before and is bowing out on a high as a winner and the greatest ever. It’s to be expected if anything, hardly sudden.

seligehgit · 01-12-2019 6:54pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just now on RTradio they played what was called a “very revealing” interview with a dublin board member (didn’t catch name)

The interview was recorded in the man’s home last night.

He said how JG pulled out of a team photo planned for thurs night and because of that the team photo had to be cancelled.

Then he announces his retirement yest.

the man in the interview kept emphasizing the shock but almost in a blase way saying they’ll get someone in place quickly and move on.

He said there’ll be no big deal made of it and it will take a few mins to ring someone to replace JG. A slightly dismissive tone which I was surprised by.

got the feeling he was “holding back” information for some reason.

I wonder is there something more to this.

Edit. Got the name. Sean Costello.

I've listened to the Sean Shanley interview.

RTE Radio 1 hyping it up as a revealing interview was not in context of some alternative backstory to Jim Gavin's departure.

It more so to demonstrate the genuine shock suddeness of Jim Gavin's decision to leave.

Many have mentioned there were many signals in the immediate aftermath of the All Ireland final that it might be his swansong.Like others I now speculate he left his departure so as to not take away from the 5 in a row achievement and make it about him.He's done it all and I am sure thought long and hard about his family commitments and his job as assistant director of the IAA.

There was no blaseness in his mention of the process to replace him.

There is a pre arranged management meeting next Monday night (pre the county convention in December) and then a county committee meeting where permission will be sought to talk to prospective candidates.No formal process.

The phone call(s) were only mentioned in the context of confirming persons were interested in the position.

He most definitely was not holding anything back.

moghrasa · 01-12-2019 9:31pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

There's more soccer in Donegal than most counties.

Soccer is huge in east Donegal/Inishowen, and that’s where most of the people in the county live. Not to mention Finn Harps in Ballybofey, while they’re not great they’re still a premier division side, which is something most other counties wouldn’t have to contend with. It was a completely ignorant and unsubstantiated comment.

Nidgeweasel · 02-12-2019 1:33pm

spurshero wrote: »

Revolutionised football lol . He turned most people off football . If he was a great manager he would have won another one in 2014 when an average kerry team by there standards beat them in final . Never get all this mcguinness love . He was manager of a big county where there no real rugby soccer or hurling played to a decent level . It’s not the loaves and fishes deal that some make it out to be .

Donegal is a massive soccer county.

And by any standard he (Jim) completely revolutionised the game.

This thread is about Gavin, not McGuinness in any event. Trying to categorise somebody as the 'best ever' is tabloid / pub talk' there is no right or wrong and to be honest the whole thing is quite frankly boring.

Gavin was an exceptional manager, as was McGuinness, as was Hate, as was Boylan, as was Micko etc etc etc.

blanch152 · 02-12-2019 10:00pm

Have to laugh at some of the stuff on this thread.

Jim Gavin's team won five All-Irelands in a row, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team won 18 out of the first 21 major trophies in seven years, no other manager ever did that.
Jim Gavin's team holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in championship and league, and in championship only, no other manager ever did that.

That makes him the greatest manager of all time. No questions, no doubts. The statistics are too far above anyone else.

If you case your mind back to the autumn of 2012, there would have been Cork, Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal and Kerry, who would have all been confident that they could win the next All-Ireland. No other era ever had that many competitors. They have all been beaten out of sight since.

Jim Gavin

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