Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

steve_r · 25-11-2019 05:10PM

"Calendar year" stats which are only mentioned in December and never discussed again.

Sheridan81 · 27-11-2019 06:36PM

The opinion, often proposed by fans of certain countries, that 'their best athletes play other sports' and the ensuing assumption that these athletes could have become top (top) footballers; as though an ability to slamdunk, throw curveballs, ski, catch line-outs and/or throw fifty yards etc. would automatically translate to excellence in a completely different sport.

Sure, the common link of hand/foot-eye co-ordination means some athletic people are good at multiple sports, and there are some uber-athletes who have difficult career choices to make, but by and large it is a fallacy that, for example, Lebron James or Adrian Petersen, would have become football players if they had been pushed in that direction in the optimal environment.

Guy:Incognito · 27-11-2019 07:12PM

Sheridan81 wrote: »

The opinion, often proposed by fans of certain countries, that 'their best athletes play other sports' and the ensuing assumption that these athletes could have become top (top) footballers; as though an ability to slamdunk, throw curveballs, ski, catch line-outs and/or throw fifty yards etc. would automatically translate to excellence in a completely different sport.

Sure, the common link of hand/foot-eye co-ordination means some athletic people are good at multiple sports, and there are some uber-athletes who have difficult career choices to make, but by and large it is a fallacy that, for example, Lebron James or Adrian Petersen, would have become football players if they had been pushed in that direction in the optimal environment.

Those players might not have become top level footballers, but with the majority of kids playing Basketball, Baseball, American Football etc, the number playing football is severely reduced. So from that severely reduced pool, youre going to have a severely reduced chances of getting professional quality footballers.

Sheridan81 · 27-11-2019 07:17PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Those players might not have become top level footballers, but with the majority of kids playing Basketball, Baseball, American Football etc, the number playing football is severely reduced. So from that severely reduced pool, youre going to have a severely reduced chances of getting professional quality footballers.

I know.

TFBubendorfer · 27-11-2019 08:57PM

Sheridan81 wrote: »

The opinion, often proposed by fans of certain countries, that 'their best athletes play other sports' and the ensuing assumption that these athletes could have become top (top) footballers; as though an ability to slamdunk, throw curveballs, ski, catch line-outs and/or throw fifty yards etc. would automatically translate to excellence in a completely different sport.

Funnily enough, the best skier in my class in school, who everyone assumed he was going to be skiing in the world cup one day, ended up becoming a professional footballer instead. Having said that, he was the best footballer in school as well!

Some people are just incredibly gifted, and the athleticism and things like balance do translate into more than one sport.

inforfun · 28-11-2019 07:51AM

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Funnily enough, the best skier in my class in school, who everyone assumed he was going to be skiing in the world cup one day, ended up becoming a professional footballer instead. Having said that, he was the best footballer in school as well!

Some people are just incredibly gifted, and the athleticism and things like balance do translate into more than one sport.

Some ****er i went to school with played at the highest level in the Feyenoord youth, was Dutch champion 400m at u17 level or something, and "county" champion tennis.
More than decent at basketball as well.
One of those guys that sees some trickery from a pro player on tv, gets his ball, goes outside and 15 minutes later he has made the trick his own.

PE was a blast. If he was on your team.

Scott Tenorman · 28-11-2019 09:17AM

inforfun wrote: »

Some ****er i went to school with played at the highest level in the Feyenoord youth, was Dutch champion 400m at u17 level or something, and "county" champion tennis.
More than decent at basketball as well.
One of those guys that sees some trickery from a pro player on tv, gets his ball, goes outside and 15 minutes later he has made the trick his own.

PE was a blast. If he was on your team.

You're Dutch? You never mention it.....

Bob Harris · 28-11-2019 09:22AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

" your Bayern Munichs , your Barcelonas , your Shearers, your Salahs........."

Theres only one of each and you're naming them all anyway, no need to pluralise at all.

Annoying when anyone says it but if it's Mark Lawrenson then it's excruciating.

inforfun · 28-11-2019 09:27AM

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

You're Dutch? You never mention it.....

Yes, i am
Does it
bother you?

Salvation Tambourine · 28-11-2019 09:34AM

Time keeping by referees, more so around events that happen during the time added on. The Ireland v Denmark game for example. Schmeichel was booked for time wasting yet the referee blow up exactly on 94 minutes. It doesn't make sense. Last night in the Liverpool game there was a little scuffle that lasted 1 minute and 10 seconds, the referee went 25 seconds over the 4 minutes added on.

I know the likelihood of scoring in the extra minute or so that should have been given is very low but it's definitely something that grinds my gears, it just seems so basic.

hots · 28-11-2019 09:43AM

Nokotan wrote: »

Time keeping by referees, more so around events that happen during the time added on. The Ireland v Denmark game for example. Schmeichel was booked for time wasting yet the referee blow up exactly on 94 minutes. It doesn't make sense. Last night in the Liverpool game there was a little scuffle that lasted 1 minute at 10 seconds, the referee went 25 seconds over the 4 minutes added on.

I know the likelihood of scoring in the extra minute or so that should have been given is very low but it's definitely something that grinds my gears, it just seems so basic.

I agree, and especially ones that don't keep to the "minimum of x minutes", blowing it up early even though there's been timewasting or something is very frustrating.

Scott Tenorman · 28-11-2019 12:11PM

inforfun wrote: »

Yes, i am
Does it
bother you?

No why would it bother me?

Sanity_Saviour · 28-11-2019 12:48PM

Sheridan81 wrote: »

The opinion, often proposed by fans of certain countries, that 'their best athletes play other sports' and the ensuing assumption that these athletes could have become top (top) footballers; as though an ability to slamdunk, throw curveballs, ski, catch line-outs and/or throw fifty yards etc. would automatically translate to excellence in a completely different sport.

Sure, the common link of hand/foot-eye co-ordination means some athletic people are good at multiple sports, and there are some uber-athletes who have difficult career choices to make, but by and large it is a fallacy that, for example, Lebron James or Adrian Petersen, would have become football players if they had been pushed in that direction in the optimal environment.

Just on this: the idea of "generalists" in sport is actually evidenced based. David Epstein found that athletes who excelled in highly popular sports (NFL in America, Aussie Rules in Australia) were able to transition fairly seamlessly into non-popular sports due to the sheer work and conditioning it took to play at a high level. Australia actually based their Winter Olympics recruitment on this idea and broke a load of their existing records:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/making-winter-sports-olympic-champions-out-of-australian-beach-babes-excerpt/

His books"Range" and "The sports Gene" are definitely worth a read.

joeguevara · 28-11-2019 01:17PM

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

Just on this: the idea of "generalists" in sport is actually evidenced based. David Epstein found that athletes who excelled in highly popular sports (NFL in America, Aussie Rules in Australia) were able to transition fairly seamlessly into non-popular sports due to the sheer work and conditioning it took to play at a high level. Australia actually based their Winter Olympics recruitment on this idea and broke a load of their existing records:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/making-winter-sports-olympic-champions-out-of-australian-beach-babes-excerpt/

His books"Range" and "The sports Gene" are definitely worth a read.

Shane Long is the best Tipperary never to play Senior hurling and is the only player ever to play hurling and international football in Croke Park. He was literally a beast and was just a naturally gifted athlete with people commenting on his athleticism and muscles when he was just 15. Apparently, he was also class at badminton.

https://punditarena.com/gaa/thepateam/major-switches-how-shane-longs-minor-hurling-past-paved-the-way-for-premier-league-success/

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 28-11-2019 01:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hands up, I've never heard anyone say they support "Manchester". Ever. I've heard every other variant, just "United" being the most popular, "Man U" (for some reason that seems to annoy some Man U fans), "Man United"...but never just "Manchester".

I have heard this loads of times but usually in countries that don't speak English.

Corholio · 28-11-2019 03:37PM

People who complain about football players who spit during a match and/or about those who wear gloves with short sleeves.

Both have pretty simple biological explanations about why they happen but some would rather show how 'tough' they are to not wear gloves or how prim and proper they are to not spit. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms towards modern footballers but I always find these particularly bizarre.

Guy:Incognito · 28-11-2019 10:10PM

inforfun wrote: »

Yes, i am
Does it
bother you?

There are only two things I cant stand in this world, people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures.....................and the Dutch.

28-11-2019 10:12PM

I would also think that level of physical condition in top level sports compared to 30+ years ago would mean someone at the top of one sport would have a big edge over an amateur in a different sport.

Muahahaha · 28-11-2019 11:29PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

" your Bayern Munichs , your Barcelonas , your Shearers, your Salahs........."

Theres only one of each and you're naming them all anyway, no need to pluralise at all.

I read that in a Liam Brady voice as he is particularly guilty of it.

Not a gear grinder for me or anything but the Bayern Munich ultras behind the goal waving their giant flags for the entire 90 minutes. Must be very annoying to be trying to watch a game of football and your view is blocked constantly by flags.

Kirby · 29-11-2019 01:53AM

Corholio wrote: »

People who complain about football players who spit during a match and/or about those who wear gloves with short sleeves.

Both have pretty simple biological explanations about why they happen but some would rather show how 'tough' they are to not wear gloves or how prim and proper they are to not spit. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms towards modern footballers but I always find these particularly bizarre.

I'm with you with the gloves. Why wouldn't you want to be as warm and comfortable as possible? It can only help your performance.

The spitting one is dead wrong though. There is absolutely no need for a footballer to spit. Ever. Plenty of players go their entire careers without spitting so that puts the idea that it's necessary to bed.

Exercise can create more saliva however the vast majority of people, amateur or professional just swallow it without a second thought and don't make a show of slobbering all over the place. It's psychological and not physiological.

There are dozens of physically demanding sports where it never happens. Outside of football and rugby, it's rarely seen.

This is not a prim vs not debate. There is no benefit to gollying all over the pitch....it's just seen as masculine by knuckle draggers.

So yeah......you could say idiots spitting all over the place grind my gears.

Corholio · 29-11-2019 02:03AM

Kirby wrote: »

I'm with you with the gloves. Why wouldn't you want to be as warm and comfortable as possible? It can only help your performance.

The spitting one is dead wrong though. There is absolutely no need for a footballer to spit. Ever. Plenty of players go their entire careers without spitting so that puts the idea that it's necessary to bed.

Exercise can create more saliva however the vast majority of people, amateur or professional just swallow it without a second thought and don't make a show of slobbering all over the place. It's psychological and not physiological.

There are dozens of physically demanding sports where it never happens. Outside of football and rugby, it's rarely seen.

This is not a prim vs not debate. There is no benefit to gollying all over the pitch....it's just seen as masculine by knuckle draggers.

So yeah......you could say idiots spitting all over the place grind my gears.

It's much easier to spit it out onto a grass pitch that is being trodden on etc anyway. There's no can, exercise does create more saliva and the saliva is much thicker, which doesn't make it easy to swallow.

It's a normal physiological reaction to do it, I don't agree in the slightest that it's psychological. It's ridiculous to lump this spitting in with the very obvious disgusting act of doing it in a confrontational way etc. It's a physiological reaction to clear your mouth to accrue a degree of comfort physically from doing it. The two acts are entirely different.

29-11-2019 02:06AM

Referees not enforcing the six second rule for keepers. Really boiling me piss lately.

inforfun · 29-11-2019 07:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Referees not enforcing the six second rule for keepers. Really boiling me piss lately.

Cant think of any other rule that so ignored by refs as that one.

The six seconds are to be counted only after the goalkeeper is fully in control of the ball. That is after he/she gathers themselves, gets up and begins to look for a teammate to play it to

Explains a lot. Way too open for interpratation and not a ref that is going to burn his fingers on that.
Refs might be ok with it so they can take a breather as well getting back in position.

A clip on this page where Mignolet gets punished after... 20 seconds holding the ball

losthorizon · 29-11-2019 01:34PM

6 wrote: »

People who winge about people not supporting their local team.

The French have a name for people who dont support their local team Footix.

https://french-iceberg.com/footix-france/

NIMAN · 29-11-2019 01:38PM

@inforfun
What ever became of that lad in your class?

inforfun · 29-11-2019 01:46PM

NIMAN wrote: »

@inforfun
What ever became of that lad in your class?

1x Dutch champion men 400m

Last thing i heard he was a tennis trainer in Spain. But that was a long time ago.

dundalkfc10 · 29-11-2019 01:47PM

Referees not booking players when they dive!

razorblunt · 29-11-2019 01:51PM

Time wasting by GKs on goal kicks.
Give an indirect free kick.

losthorizon · 29-11-2019 02:24PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Time wasting by GKs on goal kicks.
Give an indirect free kick.

Thats a Yellow card offence not a free kick. Its in the rules of the game. Have often seen players booked for this at LOI games.

Sheridan81 · 29-11-2019 02:38PM

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Funnily enough, the best skier in my class in school, who everyone assumed he was going to be skiing in the world cup one day, ended up becoming a professional footballer instead..

Who was that?

Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

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