Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

Salvation Tambourine

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Stupid stupid questions. Same questions every game.

1 goal win: "Was that a hard fought win?"
2+ goal win: "Did you make a statement with that win? "
Draw: "Was that one point gained or 2 points lost?"

Footballers/Managers get a rep for boring interviews but a lot of the time the interviewer is asking stupid questions where there is only ever going to be one answer.

Managers also have to do about six or seven interviews after the game at least. There's probably a bit of understanding between the interviewer and the manager. Both just want to do their job with as little fuss if needs be.

There's a really good The Athletic article on the post match interview

https://theathletic.com/1257098/

NewMan1982

Nokotan wrote: »

Why does it bother you? I've heard others give out about this and genuinely don't understand why it gets to people

It looks ridiculous.

Salvation Tambourine

NewMan1982 wrote: »

It looks ridiculous.

Fair enough, do you understand why they do it though?

Potential Underachiever

Nokotan wrote: »

Fair enough, do you understand why they do it though?

I presume it's because their breath stinks?

Cantona's Collars

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Players covering their mouths while talking. When did this become a thing?

Since people with nothing better to do than lip read what players are saying to each other became a thing.
It's the analysis of every little thing that annoys me. Players can't talk to each other without worrying what someone might take from it.

NewMan1982

Why would anyone give a **** what two players are saying to each other on the pitch?

Is there any examples of something being lip read and a big deal being made out of it?

If you aren’t saying something racist then what could they be possibly be talking about that could be of any interest and need to be hidden.

KaiserGunner

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Why would anyone give a **** what two players are saying to each other on the pitch?

Is there any examples of something being lip read and a big deal being made out of it?

If you aren’t saying something racist then what could they be possibly be talking about that could be of any interest and need to be hidden.

They could be talking about who’s wife or brothers wife they were banging the previous week?

kksaints

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Why would anyone give a **** what two players are saying to each other on the pitch?

Is there any examples of something being lip read and a big deal being made out of it?

If you aren’t saying something racist then what could they be possibly be talking about that could be of any interest and need to be hidden.

In Italy lip reading was used as evidence in a match fixing trial. There's a few examples of this in the excellent Calcio by John Foot.

Lip reading calls was a pretty standard fear in the NFL, so covering the mouth is common.

It also helps the other hear what's being said in instances where players "cup" their mouth rather than just place it in front of their face.

Wrongway1985

Aston Villa fans in the game currently ongoing singing "Is this football anymore" after the first goal no doubt in reference to VAR. Flag never went up so would've stood without the tech its sort of like Villa fans are saying screw VAR we wanted to be one nil down and after going 0-3 some of these same fans could be seen heading for the exits quite baffling really haha.

Guy:Incognito

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Aston Villa fans in the game currently ongoing singing "Is this football anymore" after the first goal no doubt in reference to VAR. Flag never went up so would've stood without the tech its sort of like Villa fans are saying screw VAR we wanted to be one nil down and after going 0-3 some of these same fans could be seen heading for the exits quite baffling really haha.

Theres a few things ruining Villa's current stay in the Premier League. VAR is not one of them.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Aston Villa fans in the game currently ongoing singing "Is this football anymore" after the first goal no doubt in reference to VAR. Flag never went up so would've stood without the tech its sort of like Villa fans are saying screw VAR we wanted to be one nil down and after going 0-3 some of these same fans could be seen heading for the exits quite baffling really haha.

It would be baffling for people who live football through a screen.

joeguevara

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Players covering their mouths while talking. When did this become a thing?

Couple of reasons I could think of. Firstly, noise level in stadiums is crazy and if covering mouth, it won’t dissipate and easier to hear. Secondly if discussing tactics then fear people will relay to the bench and every advantage is a coup. Finally, probably an involuntary action. All kids when telling secrets to friends would cover mouth so teacher/adult/other kids couldn’t hear so an involuntary action. Most likely first two though.

Guy:Incognito

joeguevara wrote: »

Couple of reasons I could think of. Firstly, noise level in stadiums is crazy and if covering mouth, it won’t dissipate and easier to hear. Secondly if discussing tactics then fear people will relay to the bench and every advantage is a coup. Finally, probably an involuntary action. All kids when telling secrets to friends would cover mouth so teacher/adult/other kids couldn’t hear so an involuntary action. Most likely first two though.

On the noise thing. Players managed just fine for 100 and odd years, I think they can hear grand..

As for tactics, whatever about during the game, but they're doing it walking off too.

Nunu

I was always under the impression they’re probably bad mouthing somebody, their manager or a team mate or whatever. It usually happens between opposing players leaving the pitch

Nunu

Nunu wrote: »

I was always under the impression they’re probably bad mouthing somebody, their manager or a team mate or whatever. It usually happens between opposing players leaving the pitch

"Look at the blonde, about 5 seats back...yeah, in the white tee-shirt..."

Comic Book Guy

Highlights packages where a reaction shot of a manager on the sideline will be shown straight after a particular instance of play on the pitch. However, said reaction wasn't to that piece of play at all. Match of the Day are always doing it.

jacool

Nunu wrote: »

I was always under the impression they’re probably bad mouthing somebody, their manager or a team mate or whatever. It usually happens between opposing players leaving the pitch

I thought it was a way that gay players could hook up, without everyone finding out about it.

Wrongway1985

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

It would be baffling for people who live football through a screen.

This is sh1te talk, I've attended and continue to attend many a game. I seek your knowledge as to how if I was in the stands I evaluate the situation commented on any differently, bizarre.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

This is sh1te talk, I've attended and continue to attend many a game. I seek your knowledge as to how if I was in the stands I evaluate the situation commented on any differently, bizarre.

You are baffled by a group of fans chanting in protest against a piece of technology, even though the piece of technology would have benefitted them in the short term. They may have been chanting against it on principle, the principle that the technology ignores and damages the experience of supporters in the stadium in favour of placating viewers on TV.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

...the principle that the technology ignores and damages the experience of supporters in the stadium in favour of placating viewers on TV.

I think that's a bit of a stretch.

The reason for VAR was surely very simply to get more decisions more correct more often, ultimately for the benefit of all fans, not about "placating viewers on TV".

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that's a bit of a stretch.

The reason for VAR was surely very simply to get more decisions more correct more often, ultimately for the benefit of all fans, not about "placating viewers on TV".

How did we come to know that certain decisions were incorrect, what medium has highlighted incorrect decisions in football over the last 30 years? Who gets to see these incorrect decisions first, who finds them more frustrating and who believes that getting every decision right is central to football?

TV viewers/consumers, gamblers, investors, etc..

hots

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

How did we come to know that certain decisions were incorrect, what medium has highlighted incorrect decisions in football over the last 30 years? Who gets to see these incorrect decisions first, who finds them more frustrating and who believes that getting every decision right is central to football?

TV viewers/consumers, gamblers, investors, etc..

Everyone does? It is fairly obviously preferably to everyone, playing and watching, that more correct decisions are better. Executing it poorly is negatively impacting everyone, no matter how much of a 'real fan' they are by being there in person or watching from the moon.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

How did we come to know that certain decisions were incorrect, what medium has highlighted incorrect decisions in football over the last 30 years? Who gets to see these incorrect decisions first, who finds them more frustrating and who believes that getting every decision right is central to football?

TV viewers/consumers, gamblers, investors, etc..

Are you suggesting that those who go to games are more tolerant of bad decisions?

I doubt it. They may not see them, but ignorance of incidents should not mean we can play fast and loose with whether the decision is right.

I doubt, for example, anyone who travelled to Paris and attended the game when Henry handled the ball will look back and note that at least their experience wasn't ignored or damaged. In fact, I don't think I've heard a fan say "the decision against us was wrong, but because I was there I am less bothered about it"

osarusan

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

in favour of placating viewers on TV.

This is tinfoil hat stuff.


Whatever about the implementation of it, which leaves a lot to be desired, VAR is there to get more of the big, game-changing decisions right.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you suggesting that those who go to games are more tolerant of bad decisions?

I doubt it. They may not see them, but ignorance of incidents should not mean we can play fast and loose with whether the decision is right.

Those who go to games (every week, not some football tourist) place a high level of importance on moments (joyous and painful), atmosphere, emotion, ebb and flow, etc.. Many players also place a high importance on those natural elements of football.

Many supporters and players in several countries have expressed the view that VAR takes away much more than it gives. Given the choice, they would tolerate an imperfect game in exchange for protecting the elements mentioned above. Obviously, that would require a commitment from players and managers to less moaning about officials, more personal responsibility and an acceptance of the element of luck in sport.

To a person who lives football through a screen, known in this country as a barstooler, the above seems irrelevant compared to the quest for justice (selective justice, aka bullsh*t).

As regards playing "fast and loose", that's left to the people who pick and choose what VAR looks at because they are aware of what happens if you follow VAR to its logical conclusion.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

Those who go to games (every week, not some football tourist) place a high level of importance on moments (joyous and painful), atmosphere, emotion, ebb and flow, etc.. Many players also place a high importance on those natural elements of football.
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To a person who lives football through a screen, known in this country as a barstooler, the above seems irrelevant compared to the quest for justice (selective justice, aka bullsh*t).

As someone who went to most matches in Turner's Cross in the 00s I still - like many fans of live football - remember Damien Richardson's infamous "ridden rock solid" outburst. That was after City were dumped out of the Cup by a bad decision, during a run of bad decisions. I never got the sense that City fans were happy enough to tolerate them because they were part of the natural "emotion, ebb and flow, etc.", we'd have been delighted with the idea that the more egregious ones were subject to review.

As a matter of curiosity, as you keep dismissing support for VAR as limited to fans who watch games on TV, how many games with VAR have you gone to and how has it affected your experience?

Wrongway1985

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

Those who go to games (every week, not some football tourist) place a high level of importance on moments (joyous and painful), atmosphere, emotion, ebb and flow, etc.. Many players also place a high importance on those natural elements of football

The VAR system is only used in the most mainstream leagues that the most productive clubs competing obviously aren't filling their grounds with just locals so how on earth does this correspond with Irish football fans who go to games regularly??

Ragnar Lothbrok

The arguing about VAR now is even worse than it was before it was introduced

(I was 100% in favour before it was introduced, now I hate it - and I'm a Cork City season ticket holder, before anyone accuses me of being a barstooler!)

citytillidie

But is it VAR or the laws of the game? VAR only highlights the laws