The Rás is back sort of...

Junior · 20-11-2019 5:23pm #1

https://www.facebook.com/170476549672772/posts/2483496828370721?d=n&sfns=mo

Good news to hear, lets see it nailed down in calendar now and get the season structured right.

Bambaata · 21-11-2019 1:05pm

Its great to see. Hopefully it can get back to the longer format. I wonder when in season itll take place!? Anyone heard anything Ive a few blackout weeks where its a no-go so fingers crossed its not during those!

CramCycle · 21-11-2019 2:42pm

I for one am super excited, I won't lie, I thought it was gone for good, well done to all involved. I think they made the right choice in dropping the UCI ranking from it. I know there are benefits but I still think it will draw a decent mix of semi pro teams from the UK and elsewhere. Plenty of great races here and abroad that get huge interest that are not UCI ranked.

Now for the waiting ot see where it is going.

magicbastarder · 21-11-2019 2:52pm

any word on the grapevine as to the change in personnel?
it seems to still involve people previously in the RAS, but they've reformed to form a different committee?

Bambaata · 21-11-2019 4:29pm

Ger Campbell seems to be at the helm, he'd have been invoked in organising committee for years anyways. I guess tis the same organising committee but just without the Dignams.

brocbrocach · 21-11-2019 5:04pm

"...we would like to thank Cumann Rás Tailteann and the Dignam family for entrusting us with the organisation of this great race going forward,” said Ger Campbell

Why did the Dignams seem to gain ownership of it?
Dermot Dignam came into it with long involvement in the sport and the NCA but unless I'm mistaken his daughter had no real experience prior to taking over the biggest event in Irish cycling, which is a tough gig to be thrown into.

Lewotsil · 21-11-2019 7:28pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

"...we would like to thank Cumann Rás Tailteann and the Dignam family for entrusting us with the organisation of this great race going forward,” said Ger Campbell

Why did the Dignams seem to gain ownership of it?
Dermot Dignam came into it with long involvement in the sport and the NCA but unless I'm mistaken his daughter had no real experience prior to taking over the biggest event in Irish cycling, which is a tough gig to be thrown into.

His daughters have been involved in the RÁS for as long as I can remember

CramCycle · 21-11-2019 7:40pm

Regional Development manager for Dublin GAA for over a decade, degrees in sports management, and a background of hard work in the Ras from before I started paying more attention than just looking at results. Not given, well earned in my opinion.

1bryan · 22-11-2019 9:23am

The Dignams are heroes and cycling in this country owes them so much.

I just hope their departure was consensual. I'd hate to think of them being shafted in any way.

PringleDemon · 22-11-2019 9:43am

The lack of a title sponsor would give cause for concern . If I was going to relaunch the Ras it would be on the back of a long term sponsorship deal .

You can't run races like this on passion and commitment alone.

Kaisr Sose · 22-11-2019 12:40pm

PringleDemon wrote: »

The lack of a title sponsor would give cause for concern . If I was going to relaunch the Ras it would be on the back of a long term sponsorship deal .

You can't run races like this on passion and commitment alone.

You can try though. Best wishes for a successful relaunch to all involved.

CramCycle · 22-11-2019 12:58pm

I imagine they have a better chance of finding a future title sponsor once the success in its new format is seen. Established events can show metrics, costs, media presence. Start from scratch in another year or two and it would be near impossible I imagine. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully we see a huge flood of support from all areas, including media coverage, crowds at races, marshal volunteers etc.

Lewotsil · 22-11-2019 2:23pm

PringleDemon wrote: »

The lack of a title sponsor would give cause for concern . If I was going to relaunch the Ras it would be on the back of a long term sponsorship deal .

You can't run races like this on passion and commitment alone.

The organisers had held out for a long term sponsor - simply not there. Best to give it a try anyway.

I always thought it should have gotten a government bailout as it is not just a sporting event but also cultural/part of our heritage etc.

Beasty · 22-11-2019 2:32pm

I just do not think the big sponsors are out there any more. They simply do not get the exposure to warrant it, and big business has to justify every cent they put into things like this

The Ras has cut its cloth accordingly. It started out as what, a 2 dayer? It then increased over an extended period. 5 days is not unreasonable in my view and if it can survive at that level then so be it. If we can get a handful of foreign teams over then great, but I think they very much need to consolidate at this level as a priority

magicbastarder · 22-11-2019 2:47pm

Lewotsil wrote: »

I always thought it should have gotten a government bailout as it is not just a sporting event but also cultural/part of our heritage etc.

given that sports grants are yet again in the news, it begs the question how much an event like this would need from a sponsor to make it viable.

Beasty · 22-11-2019 3:04pm

It was running on €350k+ with a title sponsor

Probably going to be significantly south of €200k in the new format, at a guess

brocbrocach · 22-11-2019 3:54pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Regional Development manager for Dublin GAA for over a decade, degrees in sports management, and a background of hard work in the Ras from before I started paying more attention than just looking at results. Not given, well earned in my opinion.

Lest there's offence taken where none was intended I didn't mean to disparage anyone's work. You can trace the id of the race through the Christles, the NCA, and the Dignams and maybe it's not healthy to depend so completely on individual commitment. I'd go so far as to say a national tour should involve a national committee i.e. CI.

PringleDemon · 22-11-2019 7:58pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

Lest there's offence taken where none was intended I didn't mean to disparage anyone's work. You can trace the id of the race through the Christles, the NCA, and the Dignams and maybe it's not healthy to depend so completely on individual commitment. I'd go so far as to say a national tour should involve a national committee i.e. CI.

CI don't even organise the National Champs at any level . This is left to the host clubs to do so at a massive financial cost .

Events like the CX Champs always cost the host clubs in the end as the entries no longer cover the cost to run such events .

royrogers · 26-11-2019 12:31am

In previous years when would the route become public knowledge, before Christmas?

CramCycle · 26-11-2019 12:43am

royrogers wrote: »

In previous years when would the route become public knowledge, before Christmas?

Previous years it's been the end of January I think

slow · 26-11-2019 2:00pm

Great to see the Rás going ahead. Hopefully it'll be a little later than May to help extend the season.

The news definitely re-energised a few guys in our training group to start half-wheeling last weekend...

Eamonnator · 26-11-2019 2:04pm

slow wrote: »

Great to see the Rás going ahead. Hopefully it'll be a little later than May to help extend the season.

The news definitely re-energised a few guys in our training group to start half-wheeling last weekend...

I heard that it's going to be be mid-June.

RobFowl · 26-11-2019 2:08pm

Me and Lenny are riding it

Bambaata · 26-11-2019 3:01pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

I heard that it's going to be be mid-June.

That'll be me out then

Plastik · 26-11-2019 3:10pm

Looking forward to seeing the proposed format and dates. If it works for me I'll definitely consider it. Won't be able to make a June slot either this year unfortunately .. but leaves me free to concentrate some guilt free enduro racing if it is.

Beasty · 26-11-2019 3:13pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Me and Lenny are riding it

They'd better get the route out soon then, to allow you enough of a head start....

RobFowl · 26-11-2019 4:55pm

Beasty wrote: »

They'd better get the route out soon then, to allow you enough of a head start....

I don't need a head start young man.....

I just need a late finish

CramCycle · 26-11-2019 8:46pm

Well I am the stereotypical A4, no results to show off all season, barely controlling my weight, gave up trying to in September. One mention of the Ras being back and I am the lowest weight i have been all year inside of a fortnight

Now, how to get to A2 as quickly as possible :pac:

dahat · 26-11-2019 9:46pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Well I am the stereotypical A4, no results to show off all season, barely controlling my weight, gave up trying to in September. One mention of the Ras being back and I am the lowest weight i have been all year inside of a fortnight Now, how to get to A2 as quickly as possible :pac:

Can I be on your team??? ðŸ€£

Thud · 27-11-2019 6:32pm

if it's a shorter Ras, are you still a man of the Ras if you complete it?

not that I'd even make it to the end of a stage

CramCycle · 28-11-2019 2:34pm

Thud wrote: »

if it's a shorter Ras, are you still a man of the Ras if you complete it?

not that I'd even make it to the end of a stage

I am voting yes, I presume the team will make the 5 stages suitably difficult to make up for the reduction in days, be that in length of stages or amount of climbing.

Junior · 28-11-2019 4:14pm

Bambaata wrote: »

That'll be me out then

Your DS says harden the f*ck up .. I'm already trying to convince The Ranga to come over to do it.

brocbrocach · 03-12-2019 2:21pm

Interesting article on the future of the Rás.
http://www.stickybottle.com/blogs/opinion-please-give-ras-tailteann-back-to-irish-amateur-riders/

04-12-2019 12:25am

Anyone hear what the route is yet ?

CramCycle · 04-12-2019 11:19am

837897 wrote: »

Anyone hear what the route is yet ?

Won't be released for awhile.

joey100 · 04-12-2019 11:22am

Out of curiousity, and I know it's a bit of a guess because of the new format, but what sort of standard would you need to be to get around the Ras? Point scoring A2, solid pack finishing A2?

Bambaata · 04-12-2019 12:25pm

Point scoring A2 would be more than able. Pack finishing possibly, depending on how good at pack riding. If you are good at it then you'll get relatively well swept along (to a certain point), you need to be able to survive the parts when it goes mental! That could be the first 30-50km or it could be later in the stage. The hilly stages are relatively dependent on when the hills are! That said who knows now without the quantity of international teams, id imagine it'll be scaled back a bit.

slow · 04-12-2019 1:52pm

If it's not a UCI race, the race organizers have the power to set the time limits. This should be advantageous for the less strong riders. So. a sensible approach could be taken which accommodates guys close to the limit without closing down a town finish for unnecessary time.

Junior · 09-12-2019 11:55am

https://twitter.com/gerardcam/status/1203427091838099456?s=20

CramCycle · 09-12-2019 1:08pm

2 stages on the last day, a crit or a time trial. I am partially hoping for a Hill Climb TT :eek:

Taxuser1 · 09-12-2019 1:15pm

was it said when? usual date or later?

Bambaata · 09-12-2019 1:26pm

CramCycle wrote: »

2 stages on the last day, a crit or a time trial. I am partially hoping for a Hill Climb TT :eek:

Perhaps a typo?.

Bambaata · 09-12-2019 1:26pm

Taxuser1 wrote: »

was it said when? usual date or later?

From what I'm hearing it'll be mid June

Taxuser1 · 09-12-2019 2:00pm

Bambaata wrote: »

From what I'm hearing it'll be mid June

Excellent. Will be good to get a good training block in for my main target of the year. The Stephen Roche GP.

CramCycle · 09-12-2019 2:15pm

Bambaata wrote: »

Perhaps a typo?.

I heard one of those involved, on twitter, make reference to 6 stages and thought that was a typo, not so sure now. They could just have to tie up more specifically as either the type of race would mean you cannot announce distance (Crit), or TT (make it really obvious what it was).

it will depend where it finishes I suppose but either way, 15 counties (one is Kerry), 6 stages, they certainly don't look like they are going to make it easier.

Junior · 09-12-2019 2:22pm

Bambaata wrote: »

From what I'm hearing it'll be mid June

June seems to be the signalled date anyways. First stage I believe is to start in Tipp, couple of stages in Kerry, and a finish into Dublin. I don't know details of routes or anymore than that.

lennymc · 09-12-2019 6:03pm

CramCycle wrote: »

they certainly don't look like they are going to make it easier.

Some of the organiser are the people who brought us the Leinster Autumn Classic, where even the downhills are uphill!!

Should be a great event.

CramCycle · 19-12-2019 12:09am

I see the provisional race dates are up on the CI calendar, but there is no Ras dates yet. Your killing me here, I want specifics.

royrogers · 19-12-2019 6:31am

CramCycle wrote: »

I see the provisional race dates are up on the CI calendar, but there is no Ras dates yet. Your killing me here, I want specifics.

Its down to start the 10th of June on the calendar!

CramCycle · 19-12-2019 8:19am

royrogers wrote: »

Its down to start the 10th of June on the calendar!

I am blind

royrogers · 03-01-2020 11:15pm

Anything on the Ras come out over the festive period???

The Rás is back sort of...

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