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Calling people by their full names in professional environs

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  • #32
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    He might be a Tierney.
    Rashers Tierney from Strumpet City.

    I knew a girl called Rachel. All her friends called her rasher.

    Is she a “Tierney”? If not you’d have to wonder...

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #33
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    brevity wrote: »
    Yea, don’t shorten people’s names without prior permission.

    It’s Anthony not Anto, Andrew not Andy, Vincent not Vince etc...

    It’s really annoying imo and then when you correct the person you come of looking worse.

    Edit: username does not check out!

    Again, I think you have failed to grasp the story in the OP. If the person is known to you before you start working with them, then do you think it is acceptable for them to ask you to call them by their full name rather than the shortened name you have always known them by.

    Do people actually believe that having your full name used in a professional setting is of benefit? Genuine question.


  • #34
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Do you treat Jennifer from accounts differently if she's happy to be addressed as Jen or Jenny?

    Do you treat Gavin from IT differently if he's happy to be addressed as Gav?


  • #35
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,207 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Brock Turnpike wrote: »
    Good morning.

    How do you all feel about this? A friend of mine once asked a good friend of his, whom he one prior to working with him, to call him by his full name in work. Is this acceptable?

    Should I start asking work colleagues/friends to call me Brockleton in professional environs?

    full name? as in first name and last name

    or just his complete first name?

    if the latter then that's perfectly acceptable.


  • #36
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    lawred2 wrote: »
    full name? as in first name and last name

    or just his complete first name?

    if the latter then that's perfectly acceptable.

    It's the latter. What difference does it make if he is referred to as the shortened version of his name?


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  • #37
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Why is he called “Rasher”?

    The last time I heard that term, when not talking about the food, was in relation to a woman “jilling” in a very fast fashion.

    “Rashering the kipper off herself, she was”, was the phrase I believe. Doesn’t sound very pleasant.

    No idea actually. He's just known as Rasher or Rash. I'll ask him

    I'm generally referred to as Ste, steve, stevie, steph or by my knickname which i won't give away


  • #38
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,207 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Brock Turnpike wrote: »
    It's the latter. What difference does it make if he is referred to as the shortened version of his name?

    none if they are happy with it - I'm perfectly happy with Dave

    but if they've asked you otherwise then don't be a knob about it and ignore their wishes..


  • #39
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭brevity


    BDI wrote: »
    You come off looking worse because you can’t handle not having control. You think there is some sort of onemanupship based on what people shorten your name to or because everyone else is an idiot.

    It’s mostly because I don’t like the shortened version of my name.


  • #40
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Actually it is you who comes off worse. You address the person how they wish to be addressed.

    My real name is 4 letters but 2 syllables so one person decided to make it one letter, not the first letter of my name and one syllable. He thought this was great because and said it saved him time. I politely asked he didn't after 2 days. He kept doing it saying he got used to it and would "try" to stop.
    After another 2 days I just started ignoring him until he used my name. If he referred to me in a meeting with it I would ask who was he talking about. Other people started giving out to him as it was very clear I didn't like it and had asked him to stop publicly. The boss eventually gave him a written warning without me saying a word as it was obviously intentional belittling. He had to write me an apology.

    Good Jaysis you must have a skill set that nobody else has or you wouldn’t last two days where I am. People with that attitude get cigarettes put out in their coffee round here.


  • #41
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭brevity


    Brock Turnpike wrote: »
    Again, I think you have failed to grasp the story in the OP. If the person is known to you before you start working with them, then do you think it is acceptable for them to ask you to call them by their full name rather than the shortened name you have always known them by.

    Do people actually believe that having your full name used in a professional setting is of benefit? Genuine question.

    I guess it could be boundaries. Your friend doesn’t want people calling him by a name reserved for a more relaxed environment? Maybe he wants to keep his work persona and family/friend persona separated.


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  • #42
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    "Ann Perkins"


  • #43
    0lddog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭0lddog


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    ........
    What boils my piss though is either in real life or here on boards when people take it upon themselves to address you simply by the first letter of your name in a cloyingly matey way..


    :confused:

    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    ......... It’s hideously over-familiar and I wish people wouldn’t do it. Then again it’s a fairly immediate way of someone demonstrating that they’re a bit of a knob so perhaps it’s best to know that at the earliest opportunity.


    No its not.


    Just saves typing.


    Get yourself a shorter handle


  • #44
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Doctor, even though I dont think they technically qualify for the title. Though i am open to correction on that.

    Ye, so it turns out the correct term to address them as is as Doctor.

    No wonder my dentist didn't look impressed when i called her a "tooth mechanic"

    You'd think they'd have a bit of a sense of humour the amount of money they make


  • #45
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    BDI wrote: »
    Good Jaysis you must have a skill set that nobody else has or you wouldn’t last two days where I am. People with that attitude get cigarettes put out in their coffee round here.

    People who do that kind of stuff are fired straight away everywhere I work. Where in a work place would people be allowed intimidate people like that? Do you work in a factory in something?

    He was the ass and it was other employees who took issue with his repeatedly doing it after being asked and then told to stop.


  • #46
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Ye, so it turns out the correct term to address them as is as Doctor.

    No wonder my dentist didn't look impressed when i called her a "tooth mechanic"

    You'd think they'd have a bit of a sense of humour the amount of money they make

    A, supposedly, high suicide rate though, S.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #47
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    People who do that kind of stuff are fired straight away everywhere I work. Where in a work place would people be allowed intimidate people like that? Do you work in a factory in something?

    He was the ass and it was other employees who took issue with his repeatedly doing it after being asked and then told to stop.

    So was it a written warning or was he fired straight away?

    Get your bleedin story straight Razor, or am i allowed to call you that?


  • #48
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    A, supposedly, high suicide rate though, S.

    Interesting. They tend to work in relative isolation from my experience. I won't surmise though


  • #49
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Interesting. They tend to work in relative isolation from my experience. I won't surmise though

    Yeah, heard it’s to do with the stress from being the sole bearer of responsibility. But that shouldn’t excuse the “gouging” some of them are up to.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #50
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Yeah, heard it’s to do with the stress from being the sole bearer of responsibility. But that shouldn’t excuse the “gouging” some of them are up to.

    Ye, everytime i go to get my teeth cleaned i'm basically told i need the lot of me pearly's taken out.

    Back in 07 went for an extraction, needle in gum, 10 minutes later said i still had some "feeling", i was ignored, tooth pulled and i'm crying like a fcuking toddler. Once finished, i stood up and straight away hit the deck as my sugar levels were so low

    Safe to say changed dentists after that


  • #51
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    So was it a written warning or was he fired straight away?

    Get your bleedin story straight Razor, or am i allowed to call you that?

    He didn't put a cigarette out in my coffee. That was what I was referring to because the post said there would be retaliation in his work place. You would be fired for gross negligence for trying to intimidate somebody like that.

    My story is completely straight. I see you think being this is funny but it is no way acceptable to behave like that in a work place.

    Some of us work with multiple nationalities with names that are unusual to Ireland. You can't be making fun of people's names as if you are in school. You are no longer children and have to treat people with respect.


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  • #52
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    He didn't put a cigarette out in my coffee. That was what I was referring to because the post said there would be retaliation in his work place. You would be fired for gross negligence for trying to intimidate somebody like that.

    My story is completely straight. I see you think being this is funny but it is no way acceptable to behave like that in a work place.

    Some of us work with multiple nationalities with names that are unusual to Ireland. You can't be making fun of people's names as if you are in school. You are no longer children and have to treat people with respect.

    Ye, you are on boards, chill the fcuk out. The poster was joking about the cigarette in coffee


  • #53
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It's all fairly normal. One lad I work with I got to know Socially by his surname. Had to ask how he refers to himself in professional capacity. So if I'm asking if hes coming for a pint it's his surname. If Im asking about something work related I use his work name.

    Call people what they want to be called. It's really, really simple.


  • #54
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    branie2 wrote: »
    If a person is in the medical field, I call him or her doctor or nurse

    What if they are neither a doctor or a nurse? A physiotherapist? A radiographer? A health care assistant? A porter?


  • #55
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    He didn't put a cigarette out in my coffee. That was what I was referring to because the post said there would be retaliation in his work place. You would be fired for gross negligence for trying to intimidate somebody like that.

    My story is completely straight. I see you think being this is funny but it is no way acceptable to behave like that in a work place.

    Some of us work with multiple nationalities with names that are unusual to Ireland. You can't be making fun of people's names as if you are in school. You are no longer children and have to treat people with respect.

    Ray it sounds from this you were made fun of in school and therefore see any sort of joking or terms of endearment as bullying.

    In human contact light ribbing and nicknames is a way for a man to show another man that he may grow to love him as only two men can. Is there some sort of problem with you accepting affection from a man. You say workplaces are filled with foreign nationalities, do you struggle to accept affection from foreign men?


  • #56
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    BDI wrote: »
    Ray it sounds from this you were made fun of in school and therefore see any sort of joking or terms of endearment as bullying.

    In human contact light ribbing and nicknames is a way for a man to show another man that he may grow to love him as only two men can. Is there some sort of problem with you accepting affection from a man. You say workplaces are filled with foreign nationalities, do you struggle to accept affection from foreign men?

    Sounds like you don't work in a professional environment and lack basic manners. What do you do if somebody says stop, double down is my guess.

    Probably somebody who thinks they are hilarious "ribbing" people but everyone thinks you are a p**k.

    It is only joking if people are OK with it. I explained something that happened to me. Are you saying it was acceptable? Nobody else in work thought it was so are you saying it was?


  • #57
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Ye, you are on boards, chill the fcuk out. The poster was joking about the cigarette in coffee

    How do you know? It is not outside of what people have done before ro people they started bullying.


  • #58
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    How do you know? It is not outside of what people have done before ro people they started bullying.

    Ray you seem to want to create hostilities, so that you can better them.


  • #59
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    People who do that kind of stuff are fired straight away everywhere I work. Where in a work place would people be allowed intimidate people like that? Do you work in a factory in something?

    He was the ass and it was other employees who took issue with his repeatedly doing it after being asked and then told to stop.
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    How do you know? It is not outside of what people have done before ro people they started bullying.

    From this comment i have marked in bold for you Ray, this and this alone, tells me the type of person you are.


  • #60
    Stone Deaf 4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I deal with a lot of lads from eastern europe, and to my untrained Irish eyes, a lot of their names when written out, look like a countdown conundrum. They'd all have more easily pronounced names that they'd either have picked for themselves, or had foisted upon them - for example 'seweryn' becomes 'seb'. But I'd always make an effort to at least use their proper names when emailing etc.


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  • #61
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    I’ve a colleague who took to calling me by a diminutive and in their accent it made it sound like a Fair City character so that had to stop immediately. There’s another different shortened version that I’m quite happy to be called in work though, I even told a patient to call me by it to differentiate from her daughter who had the same name as me.

    What boils my piss though is either in real life or here on boards when people take it upon themselves to address you simply by the first letter of your name in a cloyingly matey way. It’s hideously over-familiar and I wish people wouldn’t do it. Then again it’s a fairly immediate way of someone demonstrating that they’re a bit of a knob so perhaps it’s best to know that at the earliest opportunity.

    Yes, I hate people doing that on boards.ie. Way too overfamiliar. I just think “You don’t know me!”.


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