Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

end of the road · 14-08-2019 08:37PM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

If there is zero substance or grounds to an objection, then why should it delay a decision on planning and put investment in jeopardy?

because it is correct that it is looked at and heard to see if it has or hasn't substance and grounds.
it's about protecting the public.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Damn right, **** them we dont need them.

not what was said as you know. even then, we don't need them so much that they must be exempt from the law of the land. they must be subject to the same processes and rules as everyone else.

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Reid is clearly a very principled man, could not be bought at any price. Strikes me as a guy who won't be intimidated by anyone either.

exactly.

ArnoldJRimmer · 14-08-2019 08:48PM

I don't see how taking the p!ss out of the planning process is in any way about protecting the public. The rules, regulations and avenues to raise an objection are there for a good reason, the objection to the original attempts to purchase his land for instance. This is not a principled stand any more, its toys being thrown out of the pram

josip · 14-08-2019 08:57PM

Brian? wrote: »

I have nothing against the proper planning restrictions. But what exactly did Intel do wrong? They offered him money for his land and he said no. Then the IDA stepped in and acted the maggot, hardly Intel's fault.

I can imagine the phone call.

Eamon: "We've offered him a very reasonable sum Martin, but he's completely unreasonable. This could impact our future investment and millions of jobs if it can't be resolved".
Martin: "Leave it with me Eamon. I'll see what I can do."

15-08-2019 01:13PM

josip wrote: »

I can imagine the phone call.

Eamon: "We've offered him a very reasonable sum Martin, but he's completely unreasonable. This could impact our future investment and millions of jobs if it can't be resolved".
Martin: "Leave it with me Eamon. I'll see what I can do."

This would be my reading of it.

JC01 · 15-08-2019 01:19PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Why are Intel so fixated on that site. There's plenty of room right behind them which as I understand it, is property that does not belong to Reid - or is he now objecting to development work that doesn't even involve the acquisition of his land?

He is now objecting to development that doesn’t involve the acquisition of his land.

Intel gave up on buying his land for way above market value ages ago.

Seth Brundle · 15-08-2019 01:25PM

JC01 wrote: »

He is now objecting to development that doesn’t involve the acquisition of his land.

He is opposing a development adjacent to his property.
He is fully entitled to do this (as everyone in the country) and he never claimed that he was objecting because of the previous attempted land grab.
He submitted his reasons for objection. Now it is up to ABP to decide if his objection has any grounds.

JC01 wrote: »

Intel gave up on buying his land for way above market value ages ago.

He is not interested in money. Anyone who knows anything about him knows this. So why do people continue with the suggestion that his appeal has anything to do with money?

JC01 · 15-08-2019 02:57PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

He is opposing a development adjacent to his property.
He is fully entitled to do this (as everyone in the country) and he never claimed that he was objecting because of the previous attempted land grab.
He submitted his reasons for objection. Now it is up to ABP to decide if his objection has any grounds.

He is not interested in money. Anyone who knows anything about him knows this. So why do people continue with the suggestion that his appeal has anything to do with money?

Stop putting words in my mouth. Never suggested it had anything to do with money I was simply stating facts.

Portsalon · 14-09-2019 12:01PM

ABP has denied Gollum an oral hearing - I predict a hunger strike.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/courts/farmer-thomas-reid-denied-request-for-oral-hearing-into-4bn-intel-plan-38495505.html

Heavy Beast · 14-09-2019 12:24PM

Portsalon wrote: »

ABP has denied Gollum an oral hearing - I predict a hunger strike.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/courts/farmer-thomas-reid-denied-request-for-oral-hearing-into-4bn-intel-plan-38495505.html

Some head on that lad. Would he not get to a barber. Hahahhahahah alright

20Wheel · 14-09-2019 05:08PM

Plenty of empty fields out there.
Not so much major multi-billion FDI investments.

Gael23 · 14-09-2019 07:51PM

Heavy Beast wrote: »

Some head on that lad. Would he not get to a barber. Hahahhahahah alright

That would cost money

tara73 · 15-09-2019 11:40AM

Brian? wrote: »

Intel never tried to strong arm him. They offered him money and he refused. Then the IDA tried to illegally CPO his land.

I agree his current objection is pure spite.

How do you know what happened between Intel and this man before everything went public and him going to court? where you with him from day one in all this?

there could have been a lot of hassle, mental game playing, blackmailing and even worse going on nobody knows about just this man.

It's very easy to sit on your keyboard being the know it all in such cases and judge. This man had the guts to go against this multinational and follow through, I don't think many people would have mentally endured this.

I think he's playing their own game now, poor Intel..

Call me Al · 15-09-2019 11:47AM

tara73 wrote: »

......

I think he's playing their own game now, poor Intel..

And the 4,000+ people who are working there. Don't forget them.

Brian? · 15-09-2019 11:47AM

tara73 wrote: »

How do you know what happened between Intel and this man before everything went public and him going to court? where you with him from day one in all this?

I was in Collinstown industrial estate, Leixlip.

there could have been a lot of hassle, mental game playing, blackmailing and even worse going on nobody knows about just this man.

There wasn’t. Reid would have said if there was. He’s accused intel off sorts of rubbish, why would he keep that secrets.

This isn’t some Hollywood girl of a little guy standing up to a big, bad corporation. This is the real world.

It's very easy to sit on your keyboard being the know it all in such cases and judge. This man had the guts to go against this multinational and follow through, I don't think many people would have mentally endured this.

I think he's playing their own game now, poor Intel..

Funny, he took the IDA to court and not intel.

tara73 · 15-09-2019 11:57AM

Brian? wrote: »

I was in Collinstown industrial estate, Leixlip.

There wasn’t. Reid would have said if there was. He’s accused intel off sorts of rubbish, why would he keep that secrets.

This isn’t some Hollywood girl of a little guy standing up to a big, bad corporation. This is the real world.

Funny, he took the IDA to court and not intel.

ah, so you were in Collinstown industrial estate Leixlip. Very 'interesting'. And? Did you bug his house?

sorry, what a lot of strange, unrelated stuff to my remark, waste of time going into.

tara73 · 15-09-2019 12:04PM

Call me Al wrote: »

And the 4,000+ people who are working there. Don't forget them.

Blaming him? What's with Intel and IDA and who else was involved for acting in corrupt manners?

Call me Al · 15-09-2019 12:23PM

tara73 wrote: »

Blaming him? What's with Intel and IDA and who else was involved for acting in corrupt manners?

I was simply reminding you that intel employs 4000+ people. People who gave tk put bread on the table and who support the local economies for miles around.
And I never once mentioned "blaming" or "corrupt manners" so you can move on with that assertion.
This farmer is legally fully within his rights to object, and, as I have stated many many times here, I'm glad he won his high court appeal against the IDA.
But right now he's objecting to something that isn't interfering with his land or house in any way, and is jeopardising the livelihoods of '000s of people.
So don't forget them when you're voicing your support for Mr Reid and his farm.

Brian? · 15-09-2019 12:28PM

tara73 wrote: »

ah, so you were in Collinstown industrial estate Leixlip. Very 'interesting'. And? Did you bug his house?

sorry, what a lot of strange, unrelated stuff to my remark, waste of time going into.

There was no mental game playing or hassle from intel. That clear enough for you?

Portsalon · 15-09-2019 03:47PM

tara73 wrote: »

It's very easy to sit on your keyboard being the know it all in such cases and judge.

Indeed it is! Happily, you yourself wouldn't dream of doing anything so stupid, would you?

Seth Brundle · 15-09-2019 03:58PM

Call me Al wrote: »

I was simply reminding you that intel employs 4000+ people. People who gave tk put bread on the table and who support the local economies for miles around.

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

Call me Al wrote: »

But right now he's objecting to something that isn't interfering with his land or house in any way, and is jeopardising the livelihoods of '000s of people.

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

tara73 · 15-09-2019 04:54PM

Brian? wrote: »

There was no mental game playing or hassle from intel. That clear enough for you?

wohooo, now you seem to be the CEO of Intel yourself or what? ridiculous..

Brian? · 15-09-2019 05:00PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

About 6000 construction workers and 4000 permanent workers. If intel can’t build new fabs the site will be gone in 5-7 years. You think they just build a fab and use it forever?

Brian? · 15-09-2019 05:03PM

tara73 wrote: »

wohooo, now you seem to be the CEO of Intel yourself or what? ridiculous..

As I said before. If intel were blackmailing or intimidating Reid he would have said so. It’s pretty straight forward.

Also, there is zero chance of a company like intel intimidating or blackmailing anyone. It simply wouldn’t happen. I base these opinions on reality, not some weird fantasy you seem to live in where corporations are run by Dick Dastardly

puppieperson1 · 15-09-2019 05:08PM

why cant intel move to the midlands where housing is cheaper an the jobs would be great or limerick they want to ****ing own kildare

Call me Al · 15-09-2019 05:33PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

A. Thats exactly what I think will happen. Leixlip has to compete with other sites that are all vying to process the next generations of technology. Do you think the company will invest further here if there is no prospect for expansion? Or will it stagnate as next generation development is snatched up by sites in the US and Israel who are only too keen to see Irish development stopped? I believe it's the latter and '000s of people will lose their jobs over time.

1. I agree. He's legally fully entitled to do what he's doing. I've never once questioned this right.
2. See my point A above.

Paul_Mc1988 · 15-09-2019 05:43PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

Mine for one. I work there. Every process a site has to compete with other sites the company has. A vacant site is being used in America for 7nm which hasn't been used for a few processes. Ireland is the other one. The logistics of fitting the 7nm site in leixlip is a nightmare as the main bulk site is being used for 14nm which is going to start winding down soon. If the 7nm site gets pulled which could happen at any time all the jobs are gone. It's quite simple

JustJoe7240 · 15-09-2019 05:52PM

puppieperson1 wrote: »

why cant intel move to the midlands where housing is cheaper an the jobs would be great or limerick they want to ****ing own kildare

There's no need, And they've already invested an awful lot of money to date without uprooting for the sake of one problematic farmer

piplip87 · 15-09-2019 05:56PM

I see this thread is the usual bashing of a MNC. How dare they come to this country and employ a few hundred of thousand people. Maybe PBP and SF will manage a few seats in the upcoming election.

The farmer was in his right when the IDA tried to CPO his land but this is pure ridiculous.

Call me Al · 25-11-2019 04:45PM

It appears that sense has prevailed. RTE Business are reporting that Intel's planning application has been granted.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-11-2019 05:08PM

If we had a fit for purpose process that disposed of blatant vexatious objections within a day sense would not be needed.

Like Apple this whole project was put at risk due to our planning process.

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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