Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

Brian? · 05-07-2019 06:20PM

Boggles wrote: »

I know, at least that would be some sort of excuse.

Excuse for what exactly? I don't begrudge the man a thing.

No, would love to.

Link them up if you can please.

I have them in a whatsapp message. Will see if I can attach later.

Plumbthedepths · 05-07-2019 07:21PM

Brian? wrote:

My only point is that his current objection is out of spite.

Unless he has confided in you, you don't know what his motivation is tbh.

Jupiter Mulligan · 05-07-2019 07:23PM

Brian? wrote: »

My only point is that his current objection is out of spite.

Or paranoia.

Brian? · 05-07-2019 07:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unless he has confided in you, you don't know what his motivation is tbh.

Fair enough. It looks like spite to me though.

elperello · 05-07-2019 07:35PM

Brian? wrote: »

Yes. I know. I understand why he didn't sell. It's entirely up to him if he sells. I'm glad he won his fight against the CPO. I think it's bizarre some of the replies I'm getting.

My only point is that his current objection is out of spite.

It's a moot point whether you can exercise spite against a multi-national corporation. Spite implies a degree of personal malice or malevolence. We have no evidence that TR is that sort of person, indeed he seems to be the opposite.

But when a man's back is to to the wall.....

jimmycrackcorm · 05-07-2019 07:42PM

Boggles wrote: »

Were you exempt from the tax rises and lack of investment in services too?

How much worse would be the investment in services without the likes of the contribution that Intel makes to the economy?

Boggles · 05-07-2019 07:53PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

How much worse would be the investment in services without the likes of the contribution that Intel makes to the economy?

I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion we were having.

But like I have said previously, Intel are a fantastic company and have been great for Kildare and Ireland, but also vice versa. They acted the cúnt in this instance though and they need to be called out on it.

Ha Long Bay · 05-07-2019 08:00PM

Brian? wrote: »

Excuse for what exactly? I don't begrudge the man a thing.

I have them in a whatsapp message. Will see if I can attach later.

Here it is.

https://www.kildarenow.com/gallery/news/414911/farmer-objecting-again-to-intel-s-proposed-plant-4-times-the-size-of-whitewater-shopping-centre.html

zuxa gif iwo · 05-07-2019 08:05PM

...he has better handwriting than me,

Boggles · 05-07-2019 08:09PM

I've seen far worse.

Seth Brundle · 13-08-2019 08:12PM

Short update...

Intel Ireland has requested ABP to invoke section 138 of the Planning and Development Act where the board can dismiss appeals if it finds that it is vexatious, frivolous or without substance or foundation.

A decision is due on the Intel case in October.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/intel-requests-dismissal-of-vexatious-appeal-by-farmer-to-its-leixlip-expansion-1.3985237

Portsalon · 14-08-2019 10:20AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Short update...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/intel-requests-dismissal-of-vexatious-appeal-by-farmer-to-its-leixlip-expansion-1.3985237

Good for Intel - it looks as they they've finally had enough of the needy, attention-seeking Reid acting the maggot.

Hopefully ABP will accept their submission, although it would take a degree of guts that it seldom displays. I suspect they'll opt to hold a full hearing. Then, of course, when Reid's nonsensical appeal is dismissed, he'll be off to the High Court. The "best small country in the world to do business in" my hole! :mad:

end of the road · 14-08-2019 12:47PM

Portsalon wrote: »

Good for Intel - it looks as they they've finally had enough of the needy, attention-seeking Reid acting the maggot.

Hopefully ABP will accept their submission, although it would take a degree of guts that it seldom displays. I suspect they'll opt to hold a full hearing. Then, of course, when Reid's nonsensical appeal is dismissed, he'll be off to the High Court. The "best small country in the world to do business in" my hole!

reid is neither needy, attention seeking, or acting the maggot.
ABP have guts, hence they won't simply roll over and allow foreign companies do what they like, just because they are multinationals and poring investment into the country. that is absolutely how things should be. quite rightly, intel will not get special treatment.

HopsAndJumps · 14-08-2019 01:11PM

end of the road wrote: »

reid is neither needy, attention seeking, or acting the maggot.
ABP have guts, hence they won't simply roll over and allow foreign companies do what they like, just because they are multinationals and poring investment into the country. that is absolutely how things should be. quite rightly, intel will not get special treatment.

If there is zero substance or grounds to an objection, then why should it delay a decision on planning and put investment in jeopardy?

14-08-2019 01:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

just because they are multinationals and poring investment into the country.

Damn right, **** them we dont need them. :rolleyes:

14-08-2019 01:47PM

The Lonely Battle of Thomas Reid reflected extremely badly on the IDA, looked very like corrupt practice. Have they addressed it at all since?

14-08-2019 01:49PM

end of the road wrote: »

reid is neither needy, attention seeking, or acting the maggot.
ABP have guts, hence they won't simply roll over and allow foreign companies do what they like, just because they are multinationals and poring investment into the country. that is absolutely how things should be. quite rightly, intel will not get special treatment.

Reid is clearly a very principled man, could not be bought at any price. Strikes me as a guy who won't be intimidated by anyone either.

Portsalon · 14-08-2019 03:18PM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

If there is zero substance or grounds to an objection, then why should it delay a decision on planning and put investment in jeopardy?

Probably because for ABP to act in such a decisive and sensible manner would really upset the bleeding-hearted marshmallow brigade. Not to mention the human detritus that infests the opposition backbenches like maggots in the decomposing corpse of a long-dead cat.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-08-2019 03:41PM

Perhaps the individuals supporting this man's appeal here want the investment to go to Israel instead?

Because that is where it will be going.

Oh but wait all those poor Palestinians...

Seth Brundle · 14-08-2019 03:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Perhaps the individuals supporting this man's appeal here want the investment to go to Israel instead?

Because that is where it will be going.

Oh but wait all those poor Palestinians...

Just because we want a transparent planning process does not mean that we don't want to see developments so no need for the sarky remarks!
Reid lives next door to the plant. He is absolutely entitled to submit an appeal.
If there is merit to his appeal then ABP will see it. If not then the appeal will fail. Why do you have a problem with this process?
Should a large development have an absolute right to go ahead regardless of what people think?

Kermit.de.frog · 14-08-2019 03:55PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why do you have a problem with this process?

I'm concerned he'll go to the courts and we'll end up with another Apple fiasco only this time much more damaging.

The objections he has submitted are absurd and blatant time wasting.

Don't kid yourself that there is any logic other than vexatiousness here.

Laois_Man · 14-08-2019 04:10PM

Why are Intel so fixated on that site. There's plenty of room right behind them which as I understand it, is property that does not belong to Reid - or is he now objecting to development work that doesn't even involve the acquisition of his land?

Riskymove · 14-08-2019 04:16PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

or is he now objecting to development work that doesn't even involve the acquisition of his land?

yes and he has been previously as set out in the article

this is not an application for his land

Intel cannot apply for planning on land owned by someone else

Brian? · 14-08-2019 04:19PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Why are Intel so fixated on that site. There's plenty of room right behind them which as I understand it, is property that does not belong to Reid - or is he now objecting to development work that doesn't even involve the acquisition of his land?

He's objecting to work that has nothing to do with his land.

Riskymove · 14-08-2019 04:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Reid lives next door to the plant. He is absolutely entitled to submit an appeal.

I agree that people should be free to appeal

but at the same time if someone appeals every time there is an application in a location using the same objections which are not accepted every time then there should be a limit before the system can dismiss such appeals pretty quickly

ArnoldJRimmer · 14-08-2019 06:25PM

I am on his side with the original objection which directly impacted his land. Intel had no right to try to strong arm him

However, his behaviour since has been tiresome. While everyone should have the right to lodge a coherent objection to any planned construction, he is just causing unnecessary delays. This isn't 'sticking it to the man,' its just him being petty and childish for the sake of it

maudgonner · 14-08-2019 06:51PM

He's not the only objector. Peter Sweetman has also lodged an objection.

Whatever about Reid's entitlement to object (I think he is acting on his principals, and was very badly treated in the past), Sweetman has a track record of objecting to major infrastuctural projects all over the country, including the Amazon data centre and the Galway bypass. He was instrumental in taking the Galway bypass case to the courts in Europe.

He's also available for hire as an environmental consultant, and has been employed on projects such as the Galway harbour expansion, to advise on how best to secure planning permission for the project.
https://connachttribune.ie/environmentalist-sweetman-hired-galway-harbour-expansion/
Funny, that.

Brian? · 14-08-2019 07:00PM

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

I am on his side with the original objection which directly impacted his land. Intel had no right to try to strong arm him

However, his behaviour since has been tiresome. While everyone should have the right to lodge a coherent objection to any planned construction, he is just causing unnecessary delays. This isn't 'sticking it to the man,' its just him being petty and childish for the sake of it

Intel never tried to strong arm him. They offered him money and he refused. Then the IDA tried to illegally CPO his land.

I agree his current objection is pure spite.

14-08-2019 08:17PM

Sweetman is a crank IMO, is also objecting to an utterly sensible development in Doonbeg. Have a lot of sympathy for Reid and think the behavior of the IDA and Intel is v poor.
People have a right to go through the planning process and have their objections heard and that is as it should be. Given the terrible planning in many Irish towns and the flooding seen in many places as a result, you’d think more people would understand the need for process.

Brian? · 14-08-2019 08:29PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Sweetman is a crank IMO, is also objecting to an utterly sensible development in Doonbeg. Have a lot of sympathy for Reid and think the behavior of the IDA and Intel is v poor.
People have a right to go through the planning process and have their objections heard and that is as it should be. Given the terrible planning in many Irish towns and the flooding seen in many places as a result, you’d think more people would understand the need for process.

I have nothing against the proper planning restrictions. But what exactly did Intel do wrong? They offered him money for his land and he said no. Then the IDA stepped in and acted the maggot, hardly Intel's fault.

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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