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Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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    #662
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    He has objected again but this time for a different application on the site.

    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kildare-farmer-lodges-fresh-objection-against-new-intel-application-966398.html?__twitter_impression=true

    I'm all for objections that have substance but this guy is taking the piss and our process allows every crank do this.


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    #663
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Unsubstantiated or vexatious objections are routinely dealt with by planners without undue delay.
    The timescale to allow for objections to be considered is built in by applicants.


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    #664
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If we had a fit for purpose process that disposed of blatant vexatious objections within a day sense would not be needed.

    Like Apple this whole project was put at risk due to our planning process.

    the process is fine.
    it has done exactly what it is designed to do and perfectly.
    any objections and claims are rightly investigated and a decision made within good time, a rushed decision could turn out to be a bad decision, so better to take time and do it right.
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    He has objected again but this time for a different application on the site.

    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kildare-farmer-lodges-fresh-objection-against-new-intel-application-966398.html?__twitter_impression=true

    I'm all for objections that have substance but this guy is taking the piss and our process allows every crank do this.

    again non-issue, if his objection isn't valid it will be found so. the process works.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #665
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    In the papers again today.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/court-grants-farmer-permission-to-challenge-3-6bn-intel-plan-1.4150344

    Still doing his darndest to prevent those jobs.

    This time it's parking spaces and vibrations.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

    😁



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    #666
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The state will lose this investment to Israel in my opinion.

    Our system is totally screwed up.


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    #667
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    greencap wrote: »
    In the papers again today.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/court-grants-farmer-permission-to-challenge-3-6bn-intel-plan-1.4150344

    Still doing his darndest to prevent those jobs.

    This time it's parking spaces and vibrations.
    The vibrations in his head


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    #668
    Panjandrums
    Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭Panjandrums


    What's funding the high court costs?


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    #669
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Good man Thomas


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    #670
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    For the good of the country we need to plough on with these projects. Intel is placed in a strategic zone and it should be designated as such.

    If you want to uphold progress go live out in a bog in Offaly.

    The exact same can be said for metro North. Nimbyists are only a hinderence to progress and the majority pay for it.


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    #671
    JustAThought
    Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala


    As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

    As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.


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    #672
    Big Gerry
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    They tried a CPO on his farm.



    Can’t really blame him.


    The rule of law should apply here.


    You can't just take someones land because you want to build a factory.


    Ireland is not china.


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    #673
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    JustAThought wrote: »
    I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala


    As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

    As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

    Objectors names and addresses are made public when they object


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    #674
    sportsfan90
    Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    JustAThought wrote: »
    As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands.

    Bloody hell is this true?


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    #675
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    sportsfan90 wrote: »
    Bloody hell is this true?

    Yes, it’s available to any one who search’s Kildare planning portal.


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    #676
    sportsfan90
    Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    godtabh wrote: »
    Objectors names and addresses are made public when they object

    Yes of course they are, that's not the point.

    If Intel deliberately put his details on the desks of thousands of their employees it was obviously in an attempt to intimidate him.

    There's a big difference between someone having to look up planning permissions online if they were interested and deliberately giving out his details on everyone's desk.

    Whatever about the rights and wrongs of his appeals, I didn't think Intel would do something like that.


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    #677
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's only fair to point out that the name on an objection in a Council File is only there in the context of the objection.

    The name is part of a document which gives the full detail of the persons objection.

    On it's own the name of an objector conveys no information which would allow someone to form an opinion as to the validity of the objection.

    A strange tactic for a multi-national to engage in.


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    #678
    ongarite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,206 ✭✭✭ongarite


    sportsfan90 wrote: »
    Bloody hell is this true?

    No,
    I've worked at Intel for 15 years and this didn't happen and I've never heard anything like this happen for anyone I know working there.


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    #679
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    sportsfan90 wrote: »
    Bloody hell is this true?

    Doubt it. They would gaining nothing but bad publicity from it.

    Disgruntled ex employee id say.


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    #680
    Bada Bing Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Bada Bing Boy


    It's not true, that guy has a wild imagination. I've worked there 18 years and never seen this...

    Im also from the area , grew up on a farm not far from Thomas Reids, the man is an oddball...


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    #681
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    JustAThought wrote: »
    I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala


    As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

    As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

    Just re-reading the post there is a possibility that he may not be referring to the Read objection.

    I'll suspend judgement pending clarification.


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    #682
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Big Gerry wrote: »
    The rule of law should apply here.


    You can't just take someones land because you want to build a factory.


    Ireland is not china.

    The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

    How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
    The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?


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    #683
    Dayo93
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Dayo93


    ongarite wrote: »
    No,
    I've worked at Intel for 15 years and this didn't happen and I've never heard anything like this happen for anyone I know working there.

    Same > 20 years there, never heard that happen either


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    #684
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

    How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
    The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?

    Major difference there.
    The motorway CPO's were for public infrastructure.


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    #685
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Dayo93 wrote: »
    Same > 20 years there, never heard that happen either

    That's because it's bs and didn't happen.


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    #686
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

    How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
    The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?
    If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
    Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.


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    #687
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
    Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.


    It wasn't overlooked.

    This went through the planning process.

    The crank lost.


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    #688
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.


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    #689
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    LaFuton wrote: »
    f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.

    What’s really going on?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #690
    Dayo93
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Dayo93


    LaFuton wrote: »
    f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.


    And how did you make this post :)


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    #691
    Call me Al
    Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
    Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.

    He's appealing, as is his right. Yet again.
    Whether air pollution has been overlooked remains to be seen, but considering the amount of work done on these applications I don't think its something that hasn't been considered. Have you looked at the planning documents lodged?
    Do you think ABP don't flag things like air pollution assessments as vital to a development of this scale?
    Why do you say Intel "obviously are not ' following the planning laws?
    Where have they been refused planning for this development because of not following planning laws? There have been objections, appeals, they've been handled through our planning system according to our laws. Where have they not followed planning? Do you think they've cut corners or something?


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