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boggerman1 · 22-11-2019 09:05PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Beef plan on local radio Wednesday night said we've turned the corner..... Thank god for that.

No thanks to beef plan for that

Cavanjack · 22-11-2019 09:11PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Beef plan on local radio Wednesday night said we've turned the corner..... Thank god for that.

He must be getting more than the €3.40 a kg the rest of us are getting for bulls.

DukeCaboom · 22-11-2019 09:17PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

He must be getting more than the €3.40 a kg the rest of us are getting for bulls.

330 for r bulls in our town.

Base price · 22-11-2019 09:55PM

Water John wrote: »

I thought people would all be on here championing the new price tool and supporting the IFA in pointing out the €5m weekly loss to Irish farmers.?

From memory and stand corrected if I'm wrong but the Beef Plan Movement/Independent Farmers of Ireland Group wanted it, especially price reporting for the 5th quarter.

I note that they - Beef Plan Movement/Independent Farmers of Ireland Group - have been very quiet about the fact that there are no Irish or EU prices available for the 5th quarter. I wonder what are they are going to do about it.....

MIKEKC · 22-11-2019 10:29PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

No thanks to beef plan for that

What is meant by turning the corner? No increase in price. Impossible to get over 30 month killed . Overage thanks to Beef Plan blocking factories

DukeCaboom · 22-11-2019 10:32PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

He must be getting more than the €3.40 a kg the rest of us are getting for bulls.

And its she.

gerryirl · 23-11-2019 11:41AM

Base price wrote: »

From memory and stand corrected if I'm wrong but the Beef Plan Movement/Independent Farmers of Ireland Group wanted it, especially price reporting for the 5th quarter.

I note that they - Beef Plan Movement/Independent Farmers of Ireland Group - have been very quiet about the fact that there are no Irish or EU prices available for the 5th quarter. I wonder what are they are going to do about it.....

they have gone quiet on everything

Jb1989 · 23-11-2019 11:50AM

gerryirl wrote: »

they have gone quiet on everything

They probably right to have, going by the criticism they've received from numerous people,
Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

wrangler · 23-11-2019 01:15PM

Jb1989 wrote: »

They probably right to have, going by the criticism they've received from numerous people,
Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

They thought that you just write a list of requests and hand it into the government.
They might respect what is delivered for them now

patsy_mccabe · 23-11-2019 02:21PM

Politics truely is a dirty business. There are people who will complain that nothing is being done........and then complain when they do it. The proverbial 'Hurlers on the ditch'.

MIKEKC · 23-11-2019 05:45PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Politics truely is a dirty business. There are people who will complain that nothing is being done........and then complain when they do it. The proverbial 'Hurlers on the ditch'.

Doing what?

DukeCaboom · 23-11-2019 05:58PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Politics truely is a dirty business. There are people who will complain that nothing is being done........and then complain when they do it. The proverbial 'Hurlers on the ditch'.

Karl deeter done a very good interview about just that on Éamon dumphys podcast last year. Everything is a crisis.

Water John · 23-11-2019 06:26PM

A good bit of work being done on the ground around POs. Meeting in Dunmanway Cork during the week. About 300 at it. Was unable to make it myself.

DukeCaboom · 23-11-2019 06:31PM

Water John wrote: »

A good bit of work being done on the ground around POs. Meeting in Dunmanway Cork during the week. About 300 at it. Was unable to make it myself.

What their definition of work been done on the ground.

riemann · 24-11-2019 01:42PM

wrangler wrote: »

They thought that you just write a list of requests and hand it into the government.
They might respect what is delivered for them now

Amazing how quickly one can lose respect for a poster who has seemingly no self awareness or critical thinking ability.

Spewing the same ****e 24/7 like a coked up parrot.

Yeah we get it the protests did cause disruption. Some people have cattle that went overage. Some had trouble getting cattle into the factory.

The backlog is gone, not helped by the importing of NI beef during the protest by scabs, not that I'm insinuating you are one(?).

You can see from the price index Irish beef is still well below the UK.

If we didn't have the protest we would be looking at a much lower price, so if all it did was hold it at 3.40 it would be something.

Whereas in reality it did a lot more. It forced the Beef Processors to the negotiating table, put the issue front and centre of the media for weeks.

Finally and most importantly, it has sent a clear message that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill if anything close to this happens again. It will be in the coming years the advantages will come to fruition. In many ways the fact it wasn't the actual finishers leading the charge (so we hear) adds a grenade to the mix as these lads are only iching to get out there again for a bonfire and a chat, so this strengthens the farmers position even more as it creats a buffer between the finishers and processors.

Jb1989 · 24-11-2019 02:02PM

riemann wrote: »

Amazing how quickly one can lose respect for a poster who has seemingly no self awareness or critical thinking ability.

Spewing the same ****e 24/7 like a coked up parrot.

Yeah we get it the protests did cause disruption. Some people have cattle that went overage. Some had trouble getting cattle into the factory.

The backlog is gone, not helped by the importing of NI beef during the protest by scabs, not that I'm insinuating you are one(?).

You can see from the price index Irish beef is still well below the UK.

If we didn't have the protest we would be looking at a much lower price, so if all it did was hold it at 3.40 it would be something.

Whereas in reality it did a lot more. It forced the Beef Processors to the negotiating table, put the issue front and centre of the media for weeks.

Finally and most importantly, it has sent a clear message that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill if anything close to this happens again. It will be in the coming years the advantages will come to fruition. In many ways the fact it wasn't the actual finishers leading the charge (so we hear) adds a grenade to the mix as these lads are only iching to get out there again for a bonfire and a chat, so this strengthens the farmers position even more as it creats a buffer between the finishers and processors.

Maybe. But Going by the backlog, and the many farmers who said they were going to go through the blockades regardless, the factory can bring us to a standstill just as easily as we can them.

And in the next few years the US beef is due to land, so that 'fruition' may be useless.

wrangler · 24-11-2019 02:07PM

riemann wrote: »

Amazing how quickly one can lose respect for a poster who has seemingly no self awareness or critical thinking ability.

Spewing the same ****e 24/7 like a coked up parrot.

Yeah we get it the protests did cause disruption. Some people have cattle that went overage. Some had trouble getting cattle into the factory.

The backlog is gone, not helped by the importing of NI beef during the protest by scabs, not that I'm insinuating you are one(?).

You can see from the price index Irish beef is still well below the UK.

If we didn't have the protest we would be looking at a much lower price, so if all it did was hold it at 3.40 it would be something.

Whereas in reality it did a lot more. It forced the Beef Processors to the negotiating table, put the issue front and centre of the media for weeks.

Finally and most importantly, it has sent a clear message that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill if anything close to this happens again. It will be in the coming years the advantages will come to fruition. In many ways the fact it wasn't the actual finishers leading the charge (so we hear) adds a grenade to the mix as these lads are only iching to get out there again for a bonfire and a chat, so this strengthens the farmers position even more as it creats a buffer between the finishers and processors.

Don't kid yourself, we had the beef forum for years that achieved exactly the same as the so called task force .......nothing.
Farmers position was never as weak processors are playing them like a flute at the moment. they haven't even moved the price.
It's actual finishers that are worried not processors, they'll leave you out at the barrels for six weeks again for practise

Robson99 · 24-11-2019 02:22PM

wrangler wrote: »

Don't kid yourself, we had the beef forum for years that achieved exactly the same as the so called task force .......nothing.
Farmers position was never as weak processors are playing them like a flute at the moment. they haven't even moved the price.
It's actual finishers that are worried not processors, they'll leave you out at the barrels for six weeks again for practise

Replace Beef forum with IFA
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Mod note: We really, really, really aren't going down this road!

Buford T. Justice

MIKEKC · 24-11-2019 09:51PM

riemann wrote: »

Amazing how quickly one can lose respect for a poster who has seemingly no self awareness or critical thinking ability.

Spewing the same ****e 24/7 like a coked up parrot.

Yeah we get it the protests did cause disruption. Some people have cattle that went overage. Some had trouble getting cattle into the factory.

The backlog is gone, not helped by the importing of NI beef during the protest by scabs, not that I'm insinuating you are one(?).

You can see from the price index Irish beef is still well below the UK.

If we didn't have the protest we would be looking at a much lower price, so if all it did was hold it at 3.40 it would be something.

Whereas in reality it did a lot more. It forced the Beef Processors to the negotiating table, put the issue front and centre of the media for weeks.

Finally and most importantly, it has sent a clear message that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill if anything close to this happens again. It will be in the coming years the advantages will come to fruition. In many ways the fact it wasn't the actual finishers leading the charge (so we hear) adds a grenade to the mix as these lads are only iching to get out there again for a bonfire and a chat, so this strengthens the farmers position even more as it creats a buffer between the finishers and processors.

If you think the backlog is gone you must not be following the situation. It's far from gone I can assure you .Still have overage here and can't them away. There is no proof that without the protest the price would be lower. After the present disaster I doubt that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill in the near future.

Danzy · 24-11-2019 10:50PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

If you think the backlog is gone you must not be following the situation. It's far from gone I can assure you .Still have overage here and can't them away. There is no proof that without the protest the price would be lower. After the present disaster I doubt that farmers will bring the meat industry to a standstill in the near future.

I can guarantee you they will and much further next time.

MIKEKC · 24-11-2019 11:01PM

Danzy wrote: »

I can guarantee you they will and much further next time.

Let the customers go elsewhere , build up another backlog of overage cattle. If the customers fail to return what will be done with all the beef ?.Sell it for less money to attract back customers ?

Danzy · 25-11-2019 12:02AM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Let the customers go elsewhere , build up another backlog of overage cattle. If the customers fail to return what will be done with all the beef ?.Sell it for less money to attract back customers ?

Say, well beef in Ireland is dead, close your factories Larry and relocate them.

For right or wrong that's how it is.

Factories know it too.

Bass Reeves · 25-11-2019 09:22AM

Danzy wrote: »

I can guarantee you they will and much further next time.

MIKEKC wrote: »

Let the customers go elsewhere , build up another backlog of overage cattle. If the customers fail to return what will be done with all the beef ?.Sell it for less money to attract back customers ?

Jjameson wrote: »

The backlog issue is a risk due to the strength of the cartel and no live export. Unfortunately They are going to wind up processing the cattle hell or high water.
But customers don’t show loyalty to anything bar price and profit, and if the price is right they will return. But will we farmers gain anything really meaningful?
Precedence suggests not. But there is no doubt there will be blockades again right or wrong.

Danzy wrote: »

Say, well beef in Ireland is dead, close your factories Larry and relocate them.

For right or wrong that's how it is.

Factories know it too.

Most forget the time line of the last protest. It began in mid July. It too nearly 3 weeks to build pressure on processors, Government and other organisations who all taught it would fizzle out.
You then had the phoney negotiations where the protests stopped on a Thursday, meetings did not start until Monday 2pm for photo opportunities and then Bord Bia gave a presentation.....I ask you. Then we had negotiations stretching into a week with a wish washy document that ment nothing and farmers saw through it when processors tried to start to drop prices when the negotiations ended from 3.45 -3.4/kg
Protest restarted and it took over two weeks before processors and government realized that this time protestors would not leave gates before negotiations started again. These too nearly a week to hammer out and it was the start of the next week before processing started again. It was a eight week protest.

What would be different the next time. From the start everybody will know that farmers mean business. Processors will know that they could lose there business as well . They will know that at some stage they will have to negotiate and that farmers will continue as long as possible. Farmers will close down factories faster and more completely. I also think factory management and staff will be less quick to antagonize farmers with stupid statements. Hauliers will be less willing to cross pickets as will lads for the extra 20c/kg.

As well other will know farmers resolve and phoney negotiations will not happen. Instead of a 7-8 week dragged out protest it will be a 2-3 week affair. Farmers will not leave pickets next time until it is resolved that was the mistake last time. Factories will be closed down from the very start and truck loads of mince and other packaged meat will be trapped inside straight away.

Everybody forgets that processors have everything to lose as well. Its is all very well to say they will move there operations elsewhere. However nature aborr's a vacuum. Neither can they afford to leave what is the sixth largest beef exporting country sitting in the middle of the largest richest market in the world.

wrangler · 25-11-2019 12:27PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Most forget the time line of the last protest. It began in mid July. It too nearly 3 weeks to build pressure on processors, Government and other organisations who all taught it would fizzle out.
You then had the phoney negotiations where the protests stopped on a Thursday, meetings did not start until Monday 2pm for photo opportunities and then Bord Bia gave a presentation.....I ask you. Then we had negotiations stretching into a week with a wish washy document that ment nothing and farmers saw through it when processors tried to start to drop prices when the negotiations ended from 3.45 -3.4/kg
Protest restarted and it took over two weeks before processors and government realized that this time protestors would not leave gates before negotiations started again. These too nearly a week to hammer out and it was the start of the next week before processing started again. It was a eight week protest.

What would be different the next time. From the start everybody will know that farmers mean business. Processors will know that they could lose there business as well . They will know that at some stage they will have to negotiate and that farmers will continue as long as possible. Farmers will close down factories faster and more completely. I also think factory management and staff will be less quick to antagonize farmers with stupid statements. Hauliers will be less willing to cross pickets as will lads for the extra 20c/kg.

As well other will know farmers resolve and phoney negotiations will not happen. Instead of a 7-8 week dragged out protest it will be a 2-3 week affair. Farmers will not leave pickets next time until it is resolved that was the mistake last time. Factories will be closed down from the very start and truck loads of mince and other packaged meat will be trapped inside straight away.

Everybody forgets that processors have everything to lose as well. Its is all very well to say they will move there operations elsewhere. However nature aborr's a vacuum. Neither can they afford to leave what is the sixth largest beef exporting country sitting in the middle of the largest richest market in the world.

Don't kid yourself, processor wouldn't be doing what they doing if they thought any of the above was going to happen.
Unlike farmers they won't be interested in anything that can't make a margin.Their resilience was proof of that.

Water John · 25-11-2019 02:08PM

Listening to the Chairman of the House of Commons subcommittee on Beef yesterday, Countryfile BBC 1. He stated clearly the retailer was taking a too a high a margin and that there was room for less of a take by the processor too, to the detriment of the producer.

He hopes to finalise their inquiry in the new Parliament.

Reggie. · 25-11-2019 02:08PM

Water John wrote: »

Listening to the Chairman of the House of Commons subcommittee on Beef yesterday, Countryfile BBC 1. He stated clearly the retailer was taking a too a high a margin and that there was room for less of a take by the processor too, to the detriment of the producer.

He hopes to finalise their inquiry in the new Parliament.

Wrong country tho unfortunately

Water John · 25-11-2019 02:11PM

We are closely tied to the UK market. About 50% of our beef TMK goes there.
Sadly we have to rely on figures produced there but we can extrapolate them accurately to our situation.

ruwithme · 25-11-2019 08:47PM

Mods there is a number of threads already on here where much of above can be argued.

can we have our beef price tracker back for that alone.

Base price · 25-11-2019 09:48PM

OH got a call from a factory looking for dairy bulls for the Chinese market. We don't have any to suit at the moment. They are offering €3.20/O's and €3.10/P's which isn't enough considering finishing meal is c. €225/ton (min of 5 ton) delivered from our supplier for a maize/barley/oat/vit+min mix. From memory the factory quotes are the same as this time last year and unless they (factories) substantially increase their quotes then I think the Vet will be called to band cattle. We know a few farmers that rear dairy bull calves but most got them squeezed during the Summer.

johnnyw20 · 25-11-2019 10:01PM

Base price wrote: »

OH got a call from a factory looking for dairy bulls for the Chinese market. We don't have any to suit at the moment. They are offering €3.20/O's and €3.10/P's which isn't enough considering finishing meal is c. €225/ton (min of 5 ton) delivered from our supplier for a maize/barley/oat/vit+min mix. From memory the factory quotes are the same as this time last year and unless they (factories) substantially increase their quotes then I think the Vet will be called to band cattle. We know a few farmers that rear dairy bull calves but most got them squeezed during the Summer.

What part of the country is this ? I’ve 5 dairy bulls 20 months fit to go and keep getting told by agent That they are not killing bulls because they can’t kill the bulls the same days they are killing for China

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