Ford Mustang Mach E

listermint · 18-11-2019 9:12am #1

So ford are entering the game full on with an SUV carrying the Mustang branding.

Good video here.

https://youtu.be/4HSK6gz5-Ro

Mickeroo · 18-11-2019 9:52am

Looks very like an i-Pace (unsurprising I suppose).

I just can't bring myself to see that shape of a car as an SUV though.

Lumen · 18-11-2019 10:00am

Mustang?

Porsche: let's call our EV a "turbo" and accelerate ourselves to the forefront of global EV branding mistakes.
Ford: hold my beer.

Old diesel · 18-11-2019 10:52am

Ah another Tesla "killer" that won't actually be a Tesla "killer".

Hmmmmm.

Right where to start - if you want two screens - the Model S makes a much nicer job of it.

Ditto the single screen of the Model 3 looks a lot better.

Will need to be out of this world to drive to beat Model 3.

Charging speeds seem low at peak. However the caveat to that is that Audi have shown that a consistent 150 kw right the way up to very high SOC can be very effective.

listermint · 18-11-2019 11:05am

Old diesel wrote: »

Ah another Tesla "killer" that won't actually be a Tesla "killer".

Hmmmmm.

Right where to start - if you want two screens - the Model S makes a much nicer job of it.

Ditto the single screen of the Model 3 looks a lot better.

Will need to be out of this world to drive to beat Model 3.

Charging speeds seem low at peak. However the caveat to that is that Audi have shown that a consistent 150 kw right the way up to very high SOC can be very effective.

I don't think ford said Tesla killer. Only people using that word is yourself obliviously as here. But people writing random click bait blogs on the interwebs

DrPhilG · 18-11-2019 1:07pm

I think it's pretty decent. Better range than the Model 3 for a similar price.

No harm in some competition. If it does compete well with the 3, Tesla might try to be more competitive on price. If it doesn't sell because people prefer the 3, then Ford might bring their price down.

Win-win.

slave1 · 18-11-2019 2:37pm

Polluting the Mustang name with a SUV is a huge mistake IMHO even outside EV

bk · 18-11-2019 3:11pm

Interesting comment was that seemingly 2 years ago Ford were working on a all new, ground up, Electric Focus. Instead the new CEO told them to work on this "mustang". A competitor to the Tesla Model Y, a segment in the EV market that is already starting to look overcrowded IMO.

More EV's is always welcome, but I don't think this will do much to spur the market on. A new EV Focus to compete with the VW ID.3 would have done far more for the market IMO.

listermint · 18-11-2019 3:14pm

bk wrote: »

Interesting comment was that seemingly 2 years ago Ford were working on a all new, ground up, Electric Focus. Instead the new CEO told them to work on this "mustang". A competitor to the Tesla Model Y, a segment in the EV market that is already starting to look overcrowded IMO.

More EV's is always welcome, but I don't think this will do much to spur the market on. A new EV Focus to compete with the VW ID.3 would have done far more for the market IMO.

Afraid not.

Us market specifically as moved way far away from sedans.

It's suv or pickups over there nothing else cuts it. Which is why he made that call

Sabre Man · 18-11-2019 3:27pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Looks very like an i-Pace (unsurprising I suppose).

I just can't bring myself to see that shape of a car as an SUV though.

I would probably pick it over an I-PACE. How big is it compared to the I-PACE?

bk · 18-11-2019 3:28pm

listermint wrote: »

It's suv or pickups over there nothing else cuts it. Which is why he made that call

I do understand that. But they could easily have built a more affordable crossover on a Focus platform for the US market. Like VW is doing with the ID Cross in the US, on the same platform as the ID.3.

I'm not sure this will do much going head to head with the Model Y, etc.

krissovo · 18-11-2019 3:37pm

Much better looking than the model Y by a long way. The Mustang badge is only there to make the price easier to swallow as the Ford badge unless on the front of a truck is devalued.

Gile_na_gile · 18-11-2019 5:31pm

The write-up in the IT gives a bit more info:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/ford-s-electric-mustang-crossover-to-get-460hp-1.4086546

Headline for average joe
1) 0-100 in 7-8 sec, sub4 sec for top models
2) 75kwh entry 420km WTLP but also a 99kwh a/v
3) 47k EUR starting price
4) 400 litre boot + 100 l frunk

Lumen · 18-11-2019 5:59pm

krissovo wrote: »

The Mustang badge is only there to make the price easier to swallow as the Ford badge unless on the front of a truck is devalued.

18-11-2019 7:10pm

Elon congratulated Ford for bringing this on market so thumbs up from me also. Will these be Europe-bound? It seems like a very good effort actually. Dash screens are very Model S'esque.

krissovo · 18-11-2019 8:06pm

Lumen wrote: »

I keep trying to reply with a photo of the Ford Edge or flex but i will not let me:mad:

You did counter with a very strong case against my bold statement so you have my respect and can take the sweet victory:D

D_BEAR · 18-11-2019 9:02pm

Starting at €50,000 including government grant. €65,000 for the AWD and €75,000 for the first edition.

unkel · 18-11-2019 10:01pm

D_BEAR wrote: »

Starting at €50,000 including government grant.

Direct competitor to the Tesla Model Y, which will also be out in about a year's time

Is there a 7-seat option, does anyone know?

18-11-2019 10:39pm

So OTA upgrades and semi autonomous driving with eye tracking... And definitely Europe-bound. The interior and specs look really impressive frunk and all.

This was a real surprise from Ford and knowing it's Ford there will be no messing.

unkel · 18-11-2019 11:44pm

Nikki has a decent piece on it. That frunk is massive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4WrBeHjO9A

The Mist · 19-11-2019 12:59am

unkel wrote: »

Direct competitor to the Tesla Model Y, which will also be out in about a year's time

Is there a 7-seat option, does anyone know?

Website seems to say 5 seats only (compare model table).
https://www.ford.ie/cars/mustang-mach-e

It looks really good though!!

Tom Dunne · 19-11-2019 9:28am

Looks incredible, it certainly will upset a few Mustang purists.

I'll add it to my "Car to buy when I win the Lotto" list. It's growing regularly at this stage.

samih wrote: »

The interior and specs look really impressive frunk and all.

One of the reviewers mentioned there is a drainplug at the bottom of the frunk. The idea being for tailgate parties they have in the parking lots of big games, they fill it with ice to keep their booze cold.

RobAMerc · 19-11-2019 2:08pm

I really like this, I think if Parry Jones has anything to do with it, it will also be an excellent drive, but I am a bit disappointed by the interior - its just a bit to washing machiney for my liking, I'd prefer proper dials under a cowl of some sort.

The reality is that Ford also have the production expertise to mean there wont be any shockingly badly built cars and massive production delays as per some of their rivals.

Markcheese · 19-11-2019 2:20pm

It's probably on the small side for an American SUV, but if they'd gone much bigger it would have been too big for the rest of the world..(plus extra size,would be extra weight, extra battery and extra cost and price)
I thought Ford were doing a tie in with vw for the id3 platform,

slave1 · 19-11-2019 2:33pm

Looks good, hard to fault from first look

19-11-2019 3:00pm

Markcheese wrote: »

I thought Ford were doing a tie in with vw for the id3 platform,

Good point. The Mach-E appears not to be related to that annoncement.

Will be interesting to see where the European cars are to be built. What are the tarriffs between EU and Mexico? As Ford has plenty of factories in Europe it makes sense to build this locally anyway.

Old diesel · 19-11-2019 3:03pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I really like this, I think if Parry Jones has anything to do with it, it will also be an excellent drive, but I am a bit disappointed by the interior - its just a bit to washing machiney for my liking, I'd prefer proper dials under a cowl of some sort.

The reality is that Ford also have the production expertise to mean there wont be any shockingly badly built cars and massive production delays as per some of their rivals.

Is Parry Jones still at Ford?????.

He was one of the big chiefs that influenced the Mk 1 Mondeo and that car was launched 26 years ago.

embraer170 · 19-11-2019 8:41pm

Interesting car. Those door handles are odd, and I wonder what happens to the keypad when the battery is dead.

RobAMerc · 19-11-2019 9:11pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Is Parry Jones still at Ford?????.

He was one of the big chiefs that influenced the Mk 1 Mondeo and that car was launched 26 years ago.

He retired in 2007 ! Jesus how out of date am I ?

Still, he was behind the philosophy that cars development should be led by engineers not bean counters - meant the Focus, Fiesta, Puma and Mondeo were generally better to drive than their competitors - I think the philosophy continues - I drove a First Ztec recently - what a hoot for a 3cyl supermini !

Irishjg · 23-11-2019 2:43pm

I have to admit, as a future prospect I am very interested in this car. I had a deposit down on the ID3 but after the launch I felt a bit let down by some aspects of the car. The Mach E ( I cannot call it a Mustang lol ) is ticking a lot more boxes for me personally. I love the frunk, interior space is very good, has a tow rating yeah I know it’s limited but it still is rated. The boot size is very reasonable, charging speed is reasonable too. The lower spec @ 50k is right there vs the ID3 and I’d prefer the Mach E compared to the ID3 at that price point.

drunkmonkey · 11-01-2020 10:25pm

Why isn't this thread getting any love. I dismissed this car at first but on a second look it seems like a contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA-qgSB076c

50k gets you 600km range and a nice standard spec. B&O sound system for one.

Anyone know when you can order one, there saying arriving this year https://www.ford.ie/cars/mustang-mach-e

Why isn't mustang in the thread title??

Round Cable · 11-01-2020 10:31pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

50k gets you 600km range and a nice standard spec. B&O sound system for one.

The €50k Mach E only has a range of 450km from a 70kWh usable battery. The 90kWh usable battery will cost more.

unkel · 11-01-2020 10:32pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why isn't this thread getting any love. I dismissed this car at first but on a second look it seems like a contender.

Of course it's a contender. It's raison d'être is to compete head on with Tesla Model Y.

Either could be my next car...

drunkmonkey · 11-01-2020 10:44pm

You'd be having the mustang over the y, at least there's plenty of dealers around. You'd still worry about Tesla after care when the volume of customers come. It looks like the better car.

I was all excited about the 600km range, just read it again.

Still it's ford, seen as they've gone as far as calling it a mustang they mean business. Share price looks cheap compared to you know who if they win this fight:)

Lumen · 12-01-2020 12:10am

Like the Polestar, it looks great on paper but until they're actually available I'd be concerned that the efficiency, charging speed and electronics might disappoint.

Nobody has yet produced an efficient EV in SUV form.

Darc19 · 12-01-2020 12:24am

Under the 50k benefit in kind exemption limit - expect big sales to company car drivers

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 12:43am

Darc19 wrote: »

Under the 50k benefit in kind exemption limit - expect big sales to company car drivers

If they can bring it under 50k before grants it'll sell like hot cakes.
BIK on this is about €600 a year, it'd be a shame to use it as a daily driver though https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1966-ford-mustang-v8-fully-restored-car/22417945

Dont be at yourself · 12-01-2020 12:49pm

Not a big fan of the Mach E, or its use of the Mustang name. Don't particularly like the bubble look of the X or the Y either.

If I were looking for an SUV, I'd be leaning towards the Polestar 2 or XC40, maybe the e2008 if it were big enough.

Old diesel · 12-01-2020 1:38pm

I've a much more positive opinion on this Vs initial thoughts.

1) I've seen pics of white interior which should work well.

2) looks great Vs most modern cars.

3) what does 50 k buy you in ICE land - this holds up well for cool factor - plus it looks a usable car for daily use - 5 seater - good boot etc.

The unknown caveat areas.....

1) how firm are Ford going to set up the ride - too often a "sporty" approach means too hard a ride.

2) real world efficiency and range.

3) charging performance real world.

4) How well Ford Dealers are set up for it - although I expect Ford will sell this via selected dealers.

I get that Tesla set up is flawed re back up and how they do stuff.....

But I still see it as important that Ford get the dealer back up right for this. Because that then gives the customer a clear reason to not buy a Model 3 or Y instead.

There's a Ford company vehicle in the family and while no major issues.

Nonetheless it's clear that Ford service doesn't understand that while "she might only be a fleet vehicle user" - she and the rest of her family at some point could want to buy a car.

This does vary from dealer to dealer though.

Need improvement on service - otherwise you might as well risk a Tesla.

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 1:39pm

On the Ford website the bigger battery is an extra $5000

Which would bring the the RWD Long range in at $48,895 before grants in the US.
The Tesla Model 3 long range is $48,990

The Irish price on the Tesla is € 59,573 so appears were paying 10k extra before grants.
I'd assume the long range rwd mustang will be just shy of 60k here. Depending on where it's being built maybe less.

You can configure it here. https://www.ford.com/buy/mach-e/build-and-price.html?config=WANAB-CGW-2021-CX727#/model

kris_2021 · 12-01-2020 2:06pm

Is 50k irish price listed before or after grants?

Irishjg · 12-01-2020 2:35pm

kris_2021 wrote: »

Is 50k irish price listed before or after grants?

It’s after grants and it’s the smaller Battery 77KW version.

Irishjg · 12-01-2020 3:18pm

Sorry meant to add that 70kw is available

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 3:23pm

Irishjg wrote: »

It’s after grants and it’s the smaller Battery 77KW version.

It's before grants, it's $43,000 before grants in the US so sub 50k here before grants.

Irishjg · 12-01-2020 3:34pm

US price is irrelevant here in Ireland. Look at the price of the Model 3 in the US compared to here.

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 3:35pm

It's a lot better looking car with the honeycomb grill, I wonder is it as easy as just swapping them. The one on the standard looks fixed.

V

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 3:37pm

Irishjg wrote: »

US price is irrelevant here in Ireland. Look at the price of the Model 3 in the US compared to here.

I have that's why I'm saying the entry one will be sub 50k here before grants.

Irishjg · 12-01-2020 3:39pm

Yep the honeycomb grill looks better for sure.

Silent Running · 12-01-2020 3:41pm

Irishjg wrote: »

Yep the honeycomb grill looks better for sure.

Nothing a bit of vinyl wrap wouldn't fix.

H.E. Pennypacker · 12-01-2020 4:24pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's before grants, it's $43,000 before grants in the US so sub 50k here before grants.

Small print in the Ford Ireland website says the €50k entry level price is the indicative recommended retail price after all government grants & subsidies

drunkmonkey · 12-01-2020 4:32pm

H.E. Pennypacker wrote: »

Small print in the Ford Ireland website says the €50k entry level price is the indicative recommended retail price after all government grants & subsidies

It states that's for the pre production model, we don't have pricing for Ireland yet.
If you look at Ford US site, Tesla US and Tesla Ireland site in that order you'll see where I got the prices from.

If the 50k was post grant price it would mean a €16,000 price gap between the American and Irish car on the base model alone. They intend to beat the Y and model 3 not price themselves out of the market.

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