Club Championships 2019-20

DDC1990 · 17-11-2019 3:42pm

jr86 wrote:

Surely the best-placed non divisional side in the county championship should be representing Kerry, not a team for winning something months ago

jr86 wrote:

Clearly they haven't been training at anywhere near the level required, and for obvious reasons!

It was done that way but came into some difficulty a few years back when a County Final involving Dr Crokes ended up going to a replay which was due to be played the same day as the first round of the Munster Championship. A decision was made to send the Senior Club winners (and Crokes' big rivals) Legion instead.

To be fair to Nemo (who I feel are being disrespected a small bit) they hammered Dr.Crokes this time 2 years ago at this stage. Crokes were County Champions and had been training away. So maybe it's just that Nemo are a great side at this level.

I says · 17-11-2019 3:53pm

conor05 wrote: »

Absolute belter of a match between St Mullins and Rathdowney Erril on tg4. The standard of high fielding and point taking is brilliant to watch.

Hard to call it

That was a great match to watch as a neutral. Great hurling played by both teams that Doyle is some man to field the high ball.

castletownman · 17-11-2019 3:56pm

Those were two of the clutchiest clutch points your ever likely to see from James Doyle. What a way to win a game for St.Mullins.

Viva le club championships.

mountgomery burns · 17-11-2019 3:58pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

It was done that way but came into some difficulty a few years back when a County Final involving Dr Crokes ended up going to a replay which was due to be played the same day as the first round of the Munster Championship. A decision was made to send the Senior Club winners (and Crokes' big rivals) Legion instead.

To be fair to Nemo (who I feel are being disrespected a small bit) they hammered Dr.Crokes this time 2 years ago at this stage. Crokes were County Champions and had been training away. So maybe it's just that Nemo are a great side at this level.

I thought I read that if Crokes drew with East Kerry they would have been represented Kerry even if they lost the replay?

Hawkeye9212 · 17-11-2019 4:35pm

I can't be bothered to watch another half of Kilcoo and Derrygonnelly.

Mantis Toboggan · 17-11-2019 4:43pm

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I can't be bothered to watch another half of Kilcoo and Derrygonnelly.

Awful stuff

Stevecw · 17-11-2019 5:07pm

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

I can't be bothered to watch another half of Kilcoo and Derrygonnelly.

Painful to watch. Especially after seeing such an amazing game of hurling before it.

17-11-2019 5:17pm

I skipped the hurling to watch Netflix too. That first half put me back on Netflix.

jr86 · 17-11-2019 5:28pm

The football second half was actually decent enough to watch imo, after an awful first half

Plenty drama and some good hard hits.

Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

Gael85 · 17-11-2019 5:34pm

The amount of players ducking into tackles and going down holding ther head like they been close lined. Happening in both football and hurling. GAA need to clamp down on this playacting as someday a referee will fail to stop for someone who is genuinely seriously injured.

Hawkeye9212 · 17-11-2019 5:37pm

jr86 wrote: »

The football second half was actually decent enough to watch imo, after an awful first half

Plenty drama and some good hard hits.

Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

I still thought there was a lot of sloppy play and poor decision making but it was certainly an improvement on the first.

DDC1990 · 17-11-2019 6:06pm

mountgomery burns wrote:

I thought I read that if Crokes drew with East Kerry they would have been represented Kerry even if they lost the replay?

Actually I have that whole situation arseways.

Legion were in the final against South Kerry not Crokes. And Dingle had Already won the club Championship. So Legion were nominated instead of Dingle despite the Final not having not taken place. There was big controversy about it. Especially after Legion were beaten in both the Munster Championship and the County Final.

conor05 · 17-11-2019 6:17pm

Stevecw wrote: »

Painful to watch. Especially after seeing such an amazing game of hurling before it.

I can never watch a game of football after a game of hurling.
Way too slow and laboured

Redsoxfan · 17-11-2019 6:27pm

jr86 wrote:

Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

Not a given by any stretch.

manofwisdom · 17-11-2019 6:52pm

jr86 wrote: »

The football second half was actually decent enough to watch imo, after an awful first half

Plenty drama and some good hard hits.

Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

Might be favourites but I wouldn't rule out any team managed by Mickey Moran.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 17-11-2019 7:42pm

Gael85 wrote:

The amount of players ducking into tackles and going down holding ther head like they been close lined. Happening in both football and hurling. GAA need to clamp down on this playacting as someday a referee will fail to stop for someone who is genuinely seriously injured.

It's impossible for 1 man to referee a game these days imo, trialling 2 refs should be trialled asap in both football and hurling.

Mantis Toboggan · 17-11-2019 8:29pm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

It's impossible for 1 man to referee a game these days imo, trialling 2 refs should be trialled asap in both football and hurling.

1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

Poor_old_gill · 17-11-2019 10:29pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

People keep on saying this, and while i agree with you in theory , but nothing has changed in terms of level of officiating.

Second ref has to be introduced at this stage

dr.kenneth noisewater · 17-11-2019 10:52pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote:

1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

Umpires are usually relatives/friends of the ref and not proper officials in my eyes, fair play they're volunteering but most just want to get through a game without incident and abuse.
Linesmen at club level are just someone
from each club so the ref wont trust them, at county level they're referees who want the man in the middles job so are happy to let things go.
I actually think 2 referee's would remove the need for 4 umpires if they were given a half each

Bonniedog · 20-11-2019 10:27pm

Because of the relationship between refs and umpires, the ref is sometimes reluctant to embarrass the umpires if they make a bad decision. I do slag them but it is job I dreaded doing as not always easy to tell and worst abuse I got was from own club mates when I called a 45 as a sideline, which it was! Corner forward went to give me a dig :-)

PTH2009 · 21-11-2019 4:42pm

Hopefully the weather doesn't affect some of the weekends games

Pitchs in Pairc ui rinn and Fraher field dont hold up well with rain

mountgomery burns · 21-11-2019 7:19pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hopefully the weather doesn't affect some of the weekends games

Pitchs in Pairc ui rinn and Fraher field dont hold up well with rain

Two of the best surfaces in the province?

beggars_bush · 22-11-2019 12:07am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

Linesman and umpires cannot award a decision afaik during play

threeball · 22-11-2019 5:19pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

Linesman and umpires cannot award a decision afaik during play

They can't as it stands but they should be allowed to contact the ref and call his attention to foul play. If players knew there were six sets of eyes on them then they'd be alot more cautious about trying to pull a fast one.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 22-11-2019 6:23pm

threeball wrote:

They can't as it stands but they should be allowed to contact the ref and call his attention to foul play. If players knew there were six sets of eyes on them then they'd be alot more cautious about trying to pull a fast one.

That's fine at intercounty but most club games dont have neutral linesmen

PTH2009 · 22-11-2019 10:52pm

Should they put the Galway senior hurling champs into Leinster and maybe have something like an all Ireland qf with both Munster vs Leinster runners up and winner advances to all Ireland semi finals to face one of the provincial champs ???

Put it simple

Galway champs in Leinster

All ireland QF- Munster runners up vs Leinster runners up

All ireland semi finals (rotates each year)
Leinster champs vs Ulster champs
Munster champs vs QF winners

jr86 · 23-11-2019 8:41am

Or just leave it as is...

With that format Borrisoleigh could lose to ballygunnar tomorrow but play them again in the next round...

I personally think the Galway champs going into a semi is a non issue. It's never proven to give them an obvious advantage . Galway is a huge county in itself anyway with a large amount of hurling clubs, much more so than most other counties, so winning the championship can require winning more matches in total than other clubs who go on to win their county and province

mountgomery burns · 23-11-2019 11:45am

jr86 wrote: »

I personally think the Galway champs going into a semi is a non issue. It's never proven to give them an obvious advantage . Galway is a huge county in itself anyway with a large amount of hurling clubs, much more so than most other counties, so winning the championship can require winning more matches in total than other clubs who go on to win their county and province

This is the classic case of not being able to see the wood from the trees. Of course it's an advantage. Throw Galway into Munster say and give Cork a bye to the semi final since I would hazard a guess they've more hurling clubs than anyone.

Would you say then that Cork had an advantage?

jr86 · 23-11-2019 11:56am

No, not necessarily. As Cork clubs still wouldn't be good enough to win the AI semi final against the Munster or Leinster winner. Its an advantage in the sense they get further in the competition maybe but at the end of the day its about winning All Irelands. But hey while you mention Cork, isn't it lovely that you can lose your county final and still progress to Munster? The club championships always have little quirks its just the way it is

Galway have only made one All Ireland final now in the last 6 years. And St Thomas's were damn lucky to do so against the Ulster Champions last year. So no there clearly isn't any advantage in terms of their All Ireland prospects, otherwise they'd be making finals and winning all Irelands far more regularly.

mountgomery burns · 23-11-2019 12:38pm

So the Galway winners have been average enough recently, therefore there is no advantage? An advantage is something that creates favourable and unequal conditions for them to succeed, that they cannot capitalize on it does not mean it doesn't exist.

It's an advantage when you have good teams of a similar level competing for an all Ireland as has been the case in many years. If Galway and Cork had good teams near enough in standard, the Galway champions would have a big advantage by having to win up to 3 less games against County champions to win an all Ireland.

jr86 · 23-11-2019 1:07pm

So this year Tipp champions only have to win 2 games to win Munster, while Waterford champs have to win 3. Leinster winners need to win more than Munster winners potentially also. Glen Rovers don't even need to win Cork to go through to the provincials, a luxury no other top county can afford. Antrim winners potentially only need to win one match in their province.

There are advantages everywhere. Given there has been traditionally no obvious corelation between Galway getting a bye to the semis and winning All Irelands, I'd be willing to overlook this one for the time being as opposed to creating a daft format where you can lose your provincial final but get another swipe at the provincial winners 2 weeks later. If other counties don't like it, then reduce their number of senior teams so they don't have to play as many matches. The provincial teams Ballyhale have to beat this year wouldn't make the Galway quarter finals

But who knows maybe you'll get your wish next year and the Galway winners will have to come through a province. Only 2 games away from Tooreen ensuring it happens

mountgomery burns · 23-11-2019 1:09pm

I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.

jr86 · 23-11-2019 1:29pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.

Look, the ideal format that suits everyone is a complete open draw.

However I just can't see that happening anytime soon

Mantis Toboggan · 23-11-2019 1:29pm

Absolutely an advantage to be guaranteed an all ireland semi every year. If you look at tipp, they've not had a representative in the final since 1993. In that time Antrim clubs have had 6 appearances and Galway 15 appearances in club finals.

23-11-2019 1:33pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.

No more daft than the current setup.

jr86 · 23-11-2019 1:37pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Absolutely an advantage to be guaranteed an all ireland semi every year. If you look at tipp, they've not had a representative in the final since 1993. In that time Antrim clubs have had 6 appearances and Galway 15 appearances in club finals.

Many of those would have been Portumna, probably the greatest club team ever

Its all about wins anyway. Losing an All Ireland final vs Provincial final? Meh for me, but different strokes and all that

jr86 · 23-11-2019 1:40pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No more daft than the current setup.

Haha be some craic if it was in force this year. Borris go and beat Ballygunnar tomorrow and they're basically guaranteed to have to beat them again in their next match :pac:

23-11-2019 8:24pm

1-1 for Lillis in the last few minutes and he shouldn’t even be on the pitch after two dangerous high fouls.

castletownman · 23-11-2019 10:14pm

Eire Óg looked impressive, especially defensively. Thought Ross Dunphy got through a mountain of work up and down the field, and Jordan Morrissey carried the ball well too. Will be hard beaten now in the final. And I'm glad to see that my own club were at least competitive against them, as we scored more and lost by less than both Sarsfields and Portlaoise.

radharc · 24-11-2019 12:46pm

Both Sarsfields and Portlaoise only scored a point apiece in the second half versus Éire Og. When you consider Éire Og missed a penalty and a good few bad wides they could have given Portlaoise a right hammering.

Kerrydude1981 · 24-11-2019 1:25pm

Munster Intermediate Hurling Final today

Ballysaggart V Father O Neills

Ballysaggart are an amazing club, they have a very small panel and have lads in their 40s still putting in a shift for the club.

Edgware · 24-11-2019 1:35pm

Two Carlow teams in the Leinster Finals, St Mullins and Eire Og . Interesting times for the Scallion eaters

Hammer Archer · 24-11-2019 1:44pm

A Kilkenny football team have made a Leinster final. Mullinavat beat Rosenallis of Laois 2-10 to 1-7 in their semi final. As far as I can remember, it's the first time in history a Kilkenny club football team have made a Leinster final.
They'll play Mattock Rangers of Louth (who have appeared in the Leinster senior final this century) in the final. They easily beat Dunlavin of Wicklow in their semi final.

Mantis Toboggan · 24-11-2019 3:14pm

Some score from the sideline from Jerry Kelly

ShamoBuc · 24-11-2019 3:19pm

Fr. O'Neills looking good for the win.

ShamoBuc · 24-11-2019 3:21pm

The Tip lads are giving away some ridiculous frees.

Mantis Toboggan · 24-11-2019 3:22pm

Hutchinson will be a big addition for Liam Cahill next year.

ShamoBuc · 24-11-2019 3:36pm

Good enough game of hurling considering the time of year. Not a single goal chance created by either team though.

In the intermediate game, less than 15 left and Fr. O'Neills still up by a goal, 2-10 v 0-13

jr86 · 24-11-2019 3:37pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Good enough game of hurling considering the time of year. Not a single goal chance created by either team though.

In the intermediate game, less than 15 left and Fr. O'Neills still up by a goal, 2-10 v 0-13

What are fr O'Neills like? They don't appear to have many, if any, marquee names - yet that often doesn't make any difference to some teams.

ShamoBuc · 24-11-2019 3:42pm

jr86 wrote: »

What are fr O'Neills like? They don't appear to have many, if any, marquee names - yet that often doesn't make any difference to some teams.

Exactly, the sum of their parts mind of a team. The intermediate is probably the toughest to win in Cork I think, 2-14 v 0-15 now.

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