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Syrian refugee student wins state scholarship

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    #482
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    recedite wrote: »
    Does that include the job in Dubai probably paying €50-100K?
    Or is that sh*te money to you?

    Relevance?


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    #483
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    recedite wrote: »
    Why would I pack my bags? I grew up on an island that was a war zone in parts. I'm still here.

    False equivalency.


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    #484
    James Brown
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    recedite wrote: »
    Does that include the job in Dubai probably paying €50-100K?
    Or is that sh*te money to you?

    If you don't think they were legit refugees take it up with the state.
    This girl did nothing wrong except gain the attention of people.


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    #485
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    This girl did nothing wrong except gain the attention of people.
    Indeed she must have worked very hard for her exams, and be very smart.
    The whole family seem very capable, as has already been mentioned a few times.
    The question is whether they are deserving of our charity.
    Free food accommodation and medical cards?
    A scholarship that was meant for disadvantaged persons?


    The problem with all this, is that when genuine refugees do arrive on our shores, and genuinely have nothing but the clothes on their backs, they might find the cead mile failte has disappeared.
    Capable people are also welcome, as immigrant workers who pay their own way, and contribute to our society.


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    #486
    ohnonotgmail
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    recedite wrote: »
    Indeed she must have worked very hard for her exams, and be very smart.
    The whole family seem very capable, as has already been mentioned a few times.
    The question is whether they are deserving of our charity.
    Free food accommodation and medical cards?
    A scholarship that was meant for disadvantaged persons?


    The problem with all this, is that when genuine refugees do arrive on our shores, and genuinely have nothing but the clothes on their backs, they might find the cead mile failte has disappeared.
    Capable people are also welcome, as immigrant workers who pay their own way, and contribute to our society.

    do you have anything to show that they are not genuine refugees apart from your own bias and prejudice?


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    #487
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    recedite wrote: »
    Indeed she must have worked very hard for her exams, and be very smart.
    The whole family seem very capable, as has already been mentioned a few times.
    The question is whether they are deserving of our charity.
    Free food accommodation and medical cards?
    A scholarship that was meant for disadvantaged persons?


    The problem with all this, is that when genuine refugees do arrive on our shores, and genuinely have nothing but the clothes on their backs, they might find the cead mile failte has disappeared.
    Capable people are also welcome, as immigrant workers who pay their own way, and contribute to our society.

    The girl qualified for the scholarship and the family qualified for the support. Go moan at your government and it’s standards, then.


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    #488
    recedite
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Go moan at your government and it’s standards, then.
    So whats it like over there in the USA, still cost an arm and a leg to get a basic college education?


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    #489
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    recedite wrote: »
    Indeed she must have worked very hard for her exams, and be very smart.
    The whole family seem very capable, as has already been mentioned a few times.
    The question is whether they are deserving of our charity.
    Free food accommodation and medical cards?
    A scholarship that was meant for disadvantaged persons?


    The problem with all this, is that when genuine refugees do arrive on our shores, and genuinely have nothing but the clothes on their backs, they might find the cead mile failte has disappeared.

    Lol dude. You're definitely trolling. It has been pointed out to you umpteen times that asylum does not equate with social welfare. It would be impossible to not have the brainpower to understand such a clear and simple concept by this.

    Did you see that Evo Morales just got granted asylum in Mexico? How on earth did they grant him asylum. Under your rules he must have convinced then he was an illiterate peasant with only the rags of clothes he was wearing on his back

    Where is all the bitterness and begrudgery coming from? What is wrong in your own life that you need to project it out onto this young girl?


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    #490
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    recedite wrote: »
    So whats it like over there in the USA, still cost an arm and a leg to get a basic college education?

    LOL

    Now you’re just pounding sand :)


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    #491
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you have anything to show that they are not genuine refugees apart from your own bias and prejudice?
    Refugees from the hot sun in Dubai. Being Arabs, you'd think they would be able to stick it.


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    #492
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    Refugees from the hot sun in Dubai. Being Arabs, you'd think they would be able to stick it.

    so that is a no then. thought as much.


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    #493
    Overheal
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    recedite wrote: »
    Refugees from the hot sun in Dubai. Being Arabs, you'd think they would be able to stick it.

    Was “the sun” listed as the thing they are refugees of?


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    #494
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    I think that most people would be pleased to see a genuine Syrian refugee doing well in Ireland and excelling at school but that isn't what appears to be the case with this girl. It appears that she and her parents were working and living in UAE in perfect safety and that at some point a decision was taken that she and her mother would leave that safety and employment, come to Ireland and claim asylum while her father remained safely back home working for at least a year.

    There are resettlement schemes for Syrians in Europe and Ireland so they shouldn't have been in DP if they were genuine, they would have qualified but it seems like they went into DP to avoid the Critical Work Visa system which would have meant they'd have been expected to pay their own way and provide for themselves like every other legal economic migrant. What bothers people isn't that she's Syrian or Brown or Muslim, it's that her parents are scam artists who managed to get a free ride and a free education for her here by playing the system.


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    #495
    SchrodingersCat
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    blueshade wrote: »
    It appears that she and her parents were working and living in UAE in perfect safety

    Source please.
    blueshade wrote: »
    while her father remained safely back home working for at least a year.

    Also source please.

    What we know is that they were in UAE for three years. The mother and daughter came to Ireland a year before the father. UAE did not offer refugee status. Amnesty International have said that UAE offer very little to Syrian refugees.

    Do you know more of their story than we do?


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    #496
    recedite
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    SchrodingersCat wrote: »
    UAE offer very little to Syrian refugees.
    That depends on how useful they are to UAE.
    These ones must have been very useful, because they had residency and lucrative employment in UAE.
    If they had been unskilled Yemeni goat-herds fleeing Saudi bombs, then the door would have been closed to them.


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    #497
    ohnonotgmail
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    recedite wrote: »
    That depends on how useful they are to UAE.
    These ones must have been very useful, because they had residency and lucrative employment.
    If they had been unskilled Yemeni goat-herds fleeing Saudi bombs, then the door would have been closed to them.

    You have a source that says they had residency in the UAE?


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    #498
    recedite
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You have a source that says they had residency in the UAE?
    How else does an engineer live and work there for several years?


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    #499
    ohnonotgmail
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    recedite wrote: »
    How else does an engineer live and work there for several years?

    they were living there temporarily. there is nothing to suggest they were offered permanent residency. Unless you know better?


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    #500
    Overheal
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    recedite wrote: »
    That depends on how useful they are to UAE.
    These ones must have been very useful, because they had residency and lucrative employment in UAE.
    If they had been unskilled Yemeni goat-herds fleeing Saudi bombs, then the door would have been closed to them.

    Sources?


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    #501
    Overheal
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    recedite wrote: »
    How else does an engineer live and work there for several years?

    So you’re not that familiar with the UAE


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    #502
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    they were living there temporarily. there is nothing to suggest they were offered permanent residency. Unless you know better?
    You keep coming up with these words that may mean something here, but may be irrelevant over there. Asylum seeker. Refugee. Skilled migrant worker. Temporary worker. Resident. Citizen.


    At the end of the day, they were living and working there quite legally for years. There is no suggestion that they were being kicked out. In fact we know the main breadwinner of the family stayed on for at least one extra year. He might even be back there now, for all I know.


    I don't really care what label you want to put on their status in UAE. The correct label will be in Arabic anyway.


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    #503
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    recedite wrote: »
    You keep coming up with these words that may mean something here, but may be irrelevant over there. Asylum seeker. Refugee. Skilled migrant worker. Temporary worker. Resident. Citizen.


    At the end of the day, they were living and working there quite legally for years. There is no suggestion that they were being kicked out. In fact we know the main breadwinner of the family stayed on for at least one extra year. He might even be back there now, for all I know.


    I don't really care what label you want to put on their status in UAE. The correct label will be in Arabic anyway.
    Where are your sources


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    #504
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    You keep coming up with these words that may mean something here, but may be irrelevant over there. Asylum seeker. Refugee. Skilled migrant worker. Temporary worker. Resident. Citizen.


    At the end of the day, they were living and working there quite legally for years. There is no suggestion that they were being kicked out. In fact we know the main breadwinner of the family stayed on for at least one extra year. He might even be back there now, for all I know.


    I don't really care what label you want to put on their status in UAE. The correct label will be in Arabic anyway.

    words, eh? do they really have any meaning or can we just spout any old nonsense at all and pretend words mean what we want them to mean. it is clear which camp you are in.

    and to be honest all you know seems to be very little.


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    #505
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    words, eh? do they really have any meaning.
    They can be lost in translation.
    A Syrian goes to UAE, is welcomed in, gets a great job.
    But you say UAE are the worlds worst country because they had no asylum seekers program, therefore they accepted no refugees. Some guy even posted a graphic on this thread a few days ago, clearly stating there were "zero" asylum places in any of the various Gulf states.


    Filipino maid goes there, and is treated like a slave. You have no comment.
    She is not from a country at war, therefore she must be there to enjoy the Dubai lifestyle.


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    #506
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    They can be lost in translation.
    A Syrian goes to UAE, is welcomed in, gets a great job.
    But you say UAE are the worlds worst country because they had no asylum seekers program, therefore they accepted no refugees. Some guy even posted a graphic on this thread a few days ago, clearly stating there were "zero" asylum places in any of the various Gulf states.


    Filipino maid goes there, and is treated like a slave. You have no comment.
    She is not from a country at war, therefore she must be there to enjoy the Dubai lifestyle.

    have you considered posting in a coherent manner?


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    #507
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    recedite wrote: »
    Indeed she must have worked very hard for her exams, and be very smart.
    The whole family seem very capable, as has already been mentioned a few times.
    The question is whether they are deserving of our charity.
    Free food accommodation and medical cards?
    A scholarship that was meant for disadvantaged persons?


    The problem with all this, is that when genuine refugees do arrive on our shores, and genuinely have nothing but the clothes on their backs, they might find the cead mile failte has disappeared.
    Capable people are also welcome, as immigrant workers who pay their own way, and contribute to our society.


    But it's not. The girl won a scholarship and should be commended. You're thinking of another thread maybe?

    Intended or not you're hating on her by calling into question her legitimacy.
    Would you be happier if she hadn't worked hard to excel in a foreign country using a second language? Pick your battles.


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    #508
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    Overheal wrote: »
    So you’re not that familiar with the UAE

    Please feel free to provide that information yourself. You see what we have here is a situation where we all know that the girls parents are scam artists who got in not because they were genuine refugees who fled from Syria to the UAE but because they used their Syrian nationality to get in and claim asylum so that they could get in and eventually get an Irish passport for the parents too. Hey, all said and done we are education our own young doctors and nurses and letting them head off to the Middle East to work, this one just cut to the chase. She'll get a free world class medical degree paid for by the taxpayer.

    She and her family will be financially supported by the taxpayer and when this girl wants to head off to practice medicine in the Middle East I've no doubt her parents will head off with her then. Just to be clear, asylum means you are fleeing for your life, not sauntering along a few years after the missus and the kid have got the all clear while you stay at home working in a nice job. This story broke on the same day that 2 African men were sentenced for raping a young woman in Donegal.


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    #509
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    blueshade wrote: »
    Please feel free to provide that information yourself. You see what we have here is a situation where we all know that the girls parents are scam artists who got in not because they were genuine refugees who fled from Syria to the UAE but because they used their Syrian nationality to get in and claim asylum so that they could get in and eventually get an Irish passport for the parents too. Hey, all said and done we are education our own young doctors and nurses and letting them head off to the Middle East to work, this one just cut to the chase. She'll get a free world class medical degree paid for by the taxpayer.

    ............


    "we" do,do we? You might have a source for that claim.


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    #510
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    blueshade wrote: »
    She'll get a free world class medical degree paid for by the taxpayer.
    Plus the €5000 per year Campbell bursary spending money, on top of the usual grants, which was intended for disadvantaged people in Ireland.


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    #511
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,963 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    blueshade wrote: »
    Please feel free to provide that information yourself. You see what we have here is a situation where we all know that the girls parents are scam artists who got in not because they were genuine refugees who fled from Syria to the UAE but because they used their Syrian nationality to get in and claim asylum so that they could get in and eventually get an Irish passport for the parents too. Hey, all said and done we are education our own young doctors and nurses and letting them head off to the Middle East to work, this one just cut to the chase. She'll get a free world class medical degree paid for by the taxpayer.

    She and her family will be financially supported by the taxpayer and when this girl wants to head off to practice medicine in the Middle East I've no doubt her parents will head off with her then. Just to be clear, asylum means you are fleeing for your life, not sauntering along a few years after the missus and the kid have got the all clear while you stay at home working in a nice job.

    Sources?
    This story broke on the same day that 2 African men were sentenced for raping a young woman in Donegal.

    Relevance?


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