BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

Toyotafanboi · 11-11-2019 09:24PM

Was all going so well until the 127xxx reg number!

Nice car.

selectamatic · 11-11-2019 09:28PM

True, be interesting see what sort of history comes back from the uk reg.

There's a similar-ish one in cork but its a lower spec, a bit dearer and it has an obvious repair job on the rear quarter.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 11-11-2019 09:41PM

DAB wouldn’t be a huge selling point considering it’s being done away with here. €1000 option in my last car. I may as well have burned it.

Duke O Smiley · 11-11-2019 10:17PM

If that Ibiza dropped to 1500 and the seller accepted 1300 it would be a very good buy IMO. Hard to tell what kind of nick its in from the photos, but the Pirelli tyres are a good sign that it has probably been at least half looked after in recent months. Nice little car

selectamatic · 11-11-2019 10:50PM

Ya it's primed for a good haggle alright.

terrydel · 12-11-2019 08:04AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Was all going so well until the 127xxx reg number!

Nice car.

Dont get this. Other than aesthetics, whats the issue with 127xxx regs?

BonnieSituation · 12-11-2019 08:36AM

terrydel wrote: »

Dont get this. Other than aesthetics, whats the issue with 127xxx regs?

It's likely to be an import

Toyotafanboi · 12-11-2019 08:48AM

terrydel wrote: »

Dont get this. Other than aesthetics, whats the issue with 127xxx regs?

Yeah, to an extent aesthetics and to an extent the cars history.

It'd definitely put me off, but I can see why it would make no difference to others.

terrydel · 12-11-2019 08:53AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Yeah, to an extent aesthetics and to an extent the cars history.

It'd definitely put me off, but I can see why it would make no difference to others.

The history being that it could well be an import as BonnieSituation said?
How does that work? Genuine question as I thought imports would just get the next number in the sequence when registered, like any vehicle.

I've a motorcycle I imported from Germany and registered at 26704.

RobFowl · 12-11-2019 09:55AM

I've joined the ranks of the bangernomics brigade and got this

https://www.adverts.ie/car/mitsubishi/outlander/2007-mitsubishi-outlander/18750238

07 Mitsubishi Outlander with NCT til end Jan
275k on the clock and a very full service record and looks clean and well looked after.
Hoping for a good run with it...
1800 I paid for it

lawred2 · 12-11-2019 09:56AM

RobFowl wrote: »

I've joined the ranks of the bangernomics brigade and got this

https://www.adverts.ie/car/mitsubishi/outlander/2007-mitsubishi-outlander/18750238

07 Mitsubishi Outlander with NCT til end Jan
275k on the clock and a very full service record and looks clean and well looked after.
Hoping for a good run with it...
1800 I paid for it

nice - what's the tax on it?

terrydel · 12-11-2019 10:00AM

RobFowl wrote: »

I've joined the ranks of the bangernomics brigade and got this

https://www.adverts.ie/car/mitsubishi/outlander/2007-mitsubishi-outlander/18750238

07 Mitsubishi Outlander with NCT til end Jan
275k on the clock and a very full service record and looks clean and well looked after.
Hoping for a good run with it...
1800 I paid for it

Looks a nice one. Be interested to know how you get on with it, fuel economy etc.
Its on my list if I eventually ever get round to buying a jeep.
The leather looks nice.
Does the tailgate drop down? They all seem to have epic mileage!
Good luck with it.

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2019 10:27AM

terrydel wrote: »

The history being that it could well be an import as BonnieSituation said?
How does that work? Genuine question as I thought imports would just get the next number in the sequence when registered, like any vehicle.

I've a motorcycle I imported from Germany and registered at 26704.

At some point (2010?) Department picked an arbitrarily high sequence number for each county (eg 12nnnn for Dublin)and gave them to imported cars, at the behest of the SIMI who were getting caned by imports.

I think the idea was to devalue imports, in the manner suggested here. It's a personal thing though, not sure it would bother me.

Anyway, it was scrapped a year or two later I think.

terrydel · 12-11-2019 10:33AM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

At some point (2010?) Department picked an arbitrarily high sequence number for each county (eg 12nnnn for Dublin)and gave them to imported cars, at the behest of the SIMI who were getting caned by imports.

I think the idea was to devalue imports, in the manner suggested here. It's a personal thing though, not sure it would bother me.

Anyway, it was scrapped a year or two later I think.

How the f**k does a group like simi have that kind of influence? Unless they are related to or bribing the people making the decisions. Not doubting you at all, I'm just staggered they have that kind of sway.
Such a cynical move on their part.
Personally it wouldn't bother me either.

lawred2 · 12-11-2019 10:34AM

terrydel wrote: »

How the f**k does a group like simi have that kind of influence? Unless they are related to or bribing the people making the decisions. Not doubting you at all, I'm just staggered they have that kind of sway.
Such a cynical move on their part.
Personally it wouldn't bother me either.

well wasn't the 171/172 registration wheeze from them too?

to create two surges of new car buyer pride during the year rather than one!

terrydel · 12-11-2019 10:36AM

lawred2 wrote: »

well wasn't the 171/172 registration wheeze from them too?

to create two surges of new car buyer pride during the year rather than one!

It was yeah. They certainly seem to have someone's ear.

punisher5112 · 12-11-2019 10:37AM

Government is only delighted as more new cars, more revenue coming in from vrt and so on.

WestWicklow1 · 12-11-2019 11:00AM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Anyway, it was scrapped a year or two later I think.

My experience is that...

Wicklow is still xxWW11xxx and on.
Kildare is next available number from at least 2014 date of manuf.
Dublin is still xxD120xxx and on depending on age.

Maybe it was scrapped all over for vehicles from a certain age on but for older vehicles they're still at it.

punisher5112 · 12-11-2019 11:09AM

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

My experience is that...

Wicklow is still xxWW11xxx and on.
Kildare is next available number from at least 2014 date of manuf.
Dublin is still xxD120xxx and on depending on age.

Maybe it was scrapped all over for vehicles from a certain age on but for older vehicles they're still at it.

For the years it was in it will stay like that if anyone is importing but this will die a death in January with the new penalty of bringing in a car that isn't good for the environment....

terrydel · 12-11-2019 11:13AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

For the years it was in it will stay like that if anyone is importing but this will die a death in January with the new penalty of bringing in a car that isn't good for the environment....

My brother is looking at importing in the new year, choice between an alfa giulia and merc c350e
He was saying the vrt on the alfa will be around 7-8k. Is that the penalty you are referring to?

lawred2 · 12-11-2019 11:24AM

terrydel wrote: »

My brother is looking at importing in the new year, choice between an alfa giulia and merc c350e
He was saying the vrt on the alfa will be around 708k. Is that the penalty you are referring to?

708k?

terrydel · 12-11-2019 11:25AM

lawred2 wrote: »

708k?

ha, 7-8k
Even fg wouldnt go that far.....

Kilboor · 12-11-2019 12:34PM

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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-1-6-5dr-hatch-2005-black/23475675

695 quid fresh NCT 05 Octavia 1.6, 128k miles.

punisher5112 · 12-11-2019 02:38PM

terrydel wrote: »

My brother is looking at importing in the new year, choice between an alfa giulia and merc c350e
He was saying the vrt on the alfa will be around 7-8k. Is that the penalty you are referring to?

There is an add on to what it would be today.

If he checks the car now it will be old price...
Then he will see the extra.

Colm put a link to a table if I recall.

12-11-2019 03:21PM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

At some point (2010?) Department picked an arbitrarily high sequence number for each county (eg 12nnnn for Dublin)and gave them to imported cars, at the behest of the SIMI who were getting caned by imports.

I think the idea was to devalue imports, in the manner suggested here. It's a personal thing though, not sure it would bother me.

Anyway, it was scrapped a year or two later I think.

Why did you create a conspiracy theory out of literally zero evidence?

The new number system was brought in when VRT registrations were swapped over to Applus from Revenue. It took a period of time for the old revenue numbering system to be integrated into Applus' system and in the meantime, they used the 12***(*) system for new imports because 12 with either 3 or 4 following digits was above existing registrations for every year in every county.

Things you got wrong:
1) The number wasn't arbitrary
2) It wasn't at the behest of SIMI
3) It wasn't to devalue imports
4) It wasn't scrapped a year or two later

Things you got right:
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ToxicPaddy · 12-11-2019 05:13PM

Kilboor wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-1-6-5dr-hatch-2005-black/23475675

695 quid fresh NCT 05 Octavia 1.6, 128k miles.

Gone already!!!

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2019 05:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why did you create a conspiracy theory out of literally zero evidence?

The new number system was brought in when VRT registrations were swapped over to Applus from Revenue. It took a period of time for the old revenue numbering system to be integrated into Applus' system and in the meantime, they used the 12***(*) system for new imports because 12 with either 3 or 4 following digits was above existing registrations for every year in every county.

Things you got wrong:
1) The number wasn't arbitrary
2) It wasn't at the behest of SIMI
3) It wasn't to devalue imports
4) It wasn't scrapped a year or two later

Things you got right:
<>

Im happy to be corrected, but since you are being an asshole about it,

1. 12nnnnn is an arbitrary number above existing sequences.
2 ... maybe so
3. Thats been the effect of it. See posts above in this thread for prime example.
4. Its no longer used, so semantics aside, scrapped is fine.

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2019 05:41PM

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Gone already!!!

A lot of car for that money, .

Kilboor · 12-11-2019 05:43PM

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Gone already!!!

Not surprised!

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2019 05:56PM

terrydel wrote: »

My brother is looking at importing in the new year, choice between an alfa giulia and merc c350e
He was saying the vrt on the alfa will be around 7-8k. Is that the penalty you are referring to?

They are adding an extra charge based on NOx outputs of cars. I read it first and though that they were replacing the 'old' CO2 based charges (which would be logical) but it seems that its in addition to them. :eek:

So a 1.6 tdi golf that would attract around 1500 vrt will additionally be charged 1510 based on NOx, unless im reading it wrong. That is savage. If the purpose of the tax was to better reflect the impact of NOx on emissions ( and give some credit to petrols) , then surely a weighted average between the 2 would be fairer.

BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

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