Burning the Poppy - A thread.

c.p.w.g.w · 10-11-2019 11:20am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I reference the boar war just because everyone loves to point to WW2 and concentration camps

Never realising it was the British who came up with them

https://allthatsinteresting.com/boer-war

A little history, the poppy is for the people who used concentration camps, look at the above pictures

BarryD2 · 10-11-2019 11:39am

Cazale wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of thousands of young British soldiers we would be living in a 32 county Republic speaking our own language with a much larger population not decimated by the great hunger.

Without the sacrifice of 1916, many believe we’d be living in a 32 county Independent Ireland a long time ago. And been spared the horrors of the war of independence, civil war and the troubles. Stick that in your pipe and think about it.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 11:42am

BarryD2 wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of 1916, many believe we’d be living in a 32 county Independent Ireland a long time ago. And been spared the horrors of the war of independence, civil war and the troubles. Stick that in your pipe and think about it.

If only we had somewhere that the British stayed to test those theories.

Dyr · 10-11-2019 11:50am

BarryD2 wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of 1916, many believe we’d be living in a 32 county Independent Ireland a long time ago. And been spared the horrors of the war of independence, civil war and the troubles. Stick that in your pipe and think about it.

The Home Rulers wasted 40 years buying into that bull**** with SFA to show for it. Turned out the correct answer was shooting lots of Brits

How's independence working out for the Scots and Welsh BTW?

Danzy · 10-11-2019 12:04pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of 1916, many believe we’d be living in a 32 county Independent Ireland a long time ago. And been spared the horrors of the war of independence, civil war and the troubles. Stick that in your pipe and think about it.

They tend to be historically illiterate though.

Odhinn · 10-11-2019 1:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To me the poppy represents those who died for our freedom, no matter what army or what war. That freedom allowed this uainseach do what she did. I hope that she’s proud of what she’ll be remembered for.

But it doesn't, it represents british soldiers full stop. If you think running a concentration camp in kenya is grand, or torturing greek cypriots and gunning down unarmed protestors is grand, then its the poppy for you, but spare us the "freedom" crap.

Odhinn · 10-11-2019 1:57pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of 1916, many believe we’d be living in a 32 county Independent Ireland a long time ago. And been spared the horrors of the war of independence, civil war and the troubles. Stick that in your pipe and think about it.

There will always be the clueless amongst us.

Odhinn · 10-11-2019 1:58pm

Joey Adams wrote: »

Ok, boomer.

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FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 2:08pm

Odhinn wrote: »

?

It's what a millennial says when they cannot debate anymore apparently. The modern equivalent of 'whatever'.

Try and be hip, will ya!

whisky_galore · 10-11-2019 2:38pm

Wear it or don't wear it. Fine.
Just don't be a dickhead to people who choose to wear it or not as the case may be.

Video is attention seeking, not "shocking" as the DM has it. The burning of a small plastic flower is hardly beheading footage.

10-11-2019 3:30pm

Odhinn wrote: »

But it doesn't, it represents british soldiers full stop. If you think running a concentration camp in kenya is grand, or torturing greek cypriots and gunning down unarmed protestors is grand, then its the poppy for you, but spare us the "freedom" crap.

Maybe if you knew, or at least researched the origins of the red poppy you’d not post such rubbish.

Danzy · 10-11-2019 3:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe if you knew, or at least researched the origins of the red poppy you’d not post such rubbish.

The Royal British legion would disagree with you though.

Conall Cernach · 10-11-2019 4:54pm

Say my name wrote: »

In 2159 will people still be wearing the poppy?

I get the remembrance thing and even learning a new generation that we should never let history repeat itself.

But there comes a time when it's healthier for people just to move on. There's no disrespect intended but even the survivors of war kept as much as possible away from their family so that they could grow up without knowing and not be tainted by the true horrors of war and man's inhumanity to man.

By 2159 the Poppy will probably be worn all year round and any that disagree will be labelled aberrant.

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 5:17pm

The poppy thing is really going over the top and not stopping

Watching the premiership today and each club are trying to make a bigger deal out of it.....

Go back 10 years and did they even do anything for it? Now it has to be a huge event

Load of bulls**t

c.p.w.g.w · 10-11-2019 5:24pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The poppy thing is really going over the top and not stopping

Watching the premiership today and each club are trying to make a bigger deal out of it.....

Go back 10 years and did they even do anything for it? Now it has to be a huge event

Load of bulls**t

10 years ago it was literally just the weekend of Remembrance Sunday you'd see a poppy, now its literally 4 weeks before and everyone on TV is wearing now...Found it somewhat odd to see the Germany Womens team wearing a poppy last night against England

Also I know of a Company that allow their Staff to wear Poppy's, but Easter Lily was a big no...This was an English company operating in Ireland

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 5:30pm

Odhinn wrote: »

But it doesn't, it represents british soldiers full stop. If you think running a concentration camp in kenya is grand, or torturing greek cypriots and gunning down unarmed protestors is grand, then its the poppy for you, but spare us the "freedom" crap.

Officially perhaps.

But to the people wearing it in the uk ..i doubt they are doing it to support the troops who ran concentration camps in kenya.

They wear them for their grandads ...for the decent men in ww 2.

I wish people would be sensible. To suggest the vast majority of people wear the poppy to support british emperialism is being sucked into the unionist dup mindset and who wants to be sucked in there.

That is not what it means to the vast majority of british people who are normal decent people.

The no of people OFFENDED by a poppy especially one who was driven to travel to the VERY country she is offended by to burn on is silly. They are missing the point.

There are other ways to call into question the actions of british soliders without insulting a very well loved symbol. And there are many many righteous reasons to criticize and question british soldiers. In fact doing so over this debate negates those arguments and makes them seem petty and not legit.

The whole ANTI POPPY thing undermines the legit grievances people have with the uk or its soldiers/govt.

I mean the UNION JACK represented the UK all during the empire is that offensive too? Or are the people waving it now slightly nicer people?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 5:39pm

I mean honestly. You think of the colonization of our country the loss of our culture our language our impoverishment all of which was caused by british emperialism. The break up of our country the routed sectarianism that destroyed so many ..again all caused by british emperialism ...brexit ...them ****ting on us again! The famine. ( im serious blight my arse it was one crop! They caused that famine there was lots of food! )
And all them tories asking for our passports the cheek!

All of that ..is any of that going to change by someone NOT wearing a poppy..?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 5:44pm

https://www.thebattleground.eu/articles/2019/11/06/irelands-brit-hangover/?fbclid=IwAR3g-ZixNlum_3WxYdM5dyz8mOhahK4doZcdHa-KvHaWzVyl9TUmEpBrKt4

This actually made me really REALLY mad.

“I’ve applied for Irish citizenship.” Pre-Brexit, this would have been amazing to hear in a cut-glass accent by a late-middle-aged upper-class British woman. But Brexit was looming and she didn’t want any hassle commuting to her country home, in France.

“Really? So you must have an Irish grandparent?”

“No, my father was born in Dublin. In 1920. He’s wasn’t Irish. He did not go to school there. Nothing like that.”

Not Irish in any ethnic sense, Cut Glass was anxious to make that quite clear.

“But Ireland wasn’t an independent country then. It was still under British rule. Why was your family there?”

“My grandfather was, um, part of the government.”

In a situation replete with ironies and contradictions, this was particularly rich to take part in.

The grandchild of a British official, stationed in Ireland during the final, brutal years of a centuries-long struggle for independence, was relying on the fact that her father was born in Dublin. Her grandfather was there fighting to uphold British rule and prevent the creation of the country she was now seeking to join.

But join only in the most superficial sense. She wasn’t going to live there. Nothing like that.

I think this is taking the piss.

I mean i am not even a republican ...but this is just taking the piss.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 5:47pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I mean honestly. You think of the colonization of our country the loss of our culture our language our impoverishment all of which was caused by british emperialism. The break up of our country the routed sectarianism that destroyed so many ..again all caused by british emperialism ...brexit ...them ****ting on us again! The famine. ( im serious blight my arse it was one crop! They caused that famine there was lots of food! )
And all them tories asking for our passports the cheek!

All of that ..is any of that going to change by someone NOT wearing a poppy..?

I know you are trying to make a point...could you try again?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 6:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I know you are trying to make a point...could you try again?

I am actually going to ..so you be will sorry.

This country at some point had almost everything taken away by colonialism. We weren't enslaved but we WERE colonized. We lost our language. Our culture. We were impoverished by that same colonialism to the point of disaster. Then the leave over of the same colonialism left us the troubles. The sectarianism was that was caused by colonialism. ( and it WAS caused by colonialism exists today). And finally when we have peace. The same Tory cranks are now breaking it all up again!

There is a WHOLE lot of legitimate grievances we have with the uk right now RIGHT NOW!.

None of them have anything to do with a poppy and they are really not served by arguing about a poppy. Whether or not people wear a poppy isn't going to make a difference.

In fact its just going to undermine any legitimate grievances recent or historical that Ireland has with the UK.

Not wearing the poppy won't change bloody Sunday. But the argument about it undermines our ability to stand up for our rights and demand our injustices be taken as seriously as they should be.

We are just expected to hand out passports to people who disrespect them.

Tories are treading on us right now. They are being dicks.

We should stand up for ourselves more. Right now. Our politicians should stand up for us more right now. Maybe we don't have the confidence.

As for the million of lovely lovely british people wearing a poppy ..bless them. They are doing it for the right reasons.
I think we have bigger things to beat the british govt with than a poppy. And its the WRONG fight to pick. Its not noble. Its not honorable to attack the symbol worn by kind people with good intent.

Maybe we do it because we don't have the GUTS to fight the right fight, right now.

Rant over.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 6:08pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am actually going to ..so you be will sorry.

This country at some point had almost everything taken away by colonialism. We weren't enslaved but we WERE colonized. We lost our language. Our culture. We were impoverished by that same colonialism to the point of disaster. Then the leave over of the same colonialism left us the troubles. The sectarianism was that was caused by colonialism. ( and it WAS caused by colonialism exists today). And finally when we have peace. The same Tory cranks are now breaking it all up again!

There is a WHOLE lot of legitimate grievances we have with the uk right now RIGHT NOW!.

None of them have anything to do with a poppy and they are really not served by arguing about a poppy. Whether or not people wear a poppy isn't going to make a difference.

In fact its just going to undermine any legitimate grievances recent or historical that Ireland has with the UK.

Not wearing the poppy won't change bloody Sunday. But the argument about it undermines our ability to stand up for our rights and demand our injustices be taken as seriously as they should be.

We are just expected to hand out passports to people who disrespect them.

Tories are treading on us right now. They are being dicks.

We should stand up for ourselves more. Right now. Our politicians should stand up for us more right now. Maybe we don't have the confidence.

As for the million of lovely lovely british people wearing a poppy ..bless them. They are doing it for the right reasons.
I think we have bigger things to beat the british govt with than a poppy. And its the WRONG fight to pick. Its not noble. Its not honorable to attack the symbol worn by kind people with good intent.

Maybe we do it because we don't have the GUTS to fight the right fight, right now.

Rant over.

..or maybe it is something people have a legitimate grievance/annoyance about?

The poppy nonsense is on the rise and it is important that it is objected to or we will all be wearing one because nobody wants to annoy the British or upset them.
There is overt and covert pressure to wear this thing, do you think the German football team choose to wear it or felt pressured to wear one? I think it was pressure to wear one, because a lot of people fear the onslaught of bile (ala McClean) if they say no.

Sawduck · 10-11-2019 6:11pm

She's a dope who only did it for attention but the reaction and hate towards her is over the top, and anyone who tried to bring her family into the situation is disgusting and needs help

corks finest · 10-11-2019 6:13pm

Sawduck wrote:

She's a dope who only did it for attention but the reaction and hate towards her is over the top, and anyone who tried to bring her family into the situation is disgusting and needs help

Correct

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 6:14pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

..or maybe it is something people have a legitimate grievance/annoyance about?

The poppy nonsense is on the rise and it is important that it is objected to or we will all be wearing one because nobody wants to annoy the British or upset them.
There is overt and covert pressure to wear this thing, do you think the German football team choose to wear it or felt pressured to wear one? I think it was pressure to wear one, because a lot of people fear the onslaught of bile (ala McClean) if they say no.

Its a stupid flower.

I am more concerned people inc our own govt don't want to annoy the British about other things.

Because quite frankly its time for us to kick some Tory arse on some issues. We have been far too generous and understanding.

Galwayguy35 · 10-11-2019 7:34pm

She's taking the heat off poor old James McClean for once so I suppose very cloud has a silver lining.

10-11-2019 7:53pm

Danzy wrote: »

The Royal British legion would disagree with you though.

As if the brits would take credit for something someone else thought up??!!

Danzy · 10-11-2019 8:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As if the brits would take credit for something someone else thought up??!!

Guerin came up with it me at a century ago, short time after That as a symbol it became about supporting and remembering British soldiers.

To say it has anything to do with freedom etc is a complete misrepresentation.

Plumbthedepths · 10-11-2019 8:22pm

Saw an article on line today, a publican in the UK was denying service to anyone not wearing a poppy. He got a lot of support but equally he got abuse from people accusing him of being a 'poppy nazi' there's some irony in that label.

Huntergonzo · 10-11-2019 8:31pm

So much misguided political anger!!

Seriously boys and girls, look after your family and friends, and leave dead people to rest.

Raconteuse · 10-11-2019 9:58pm

I dunno. I mean obviously there are people who show an unhinged side regarding their reverance to the poppy - and certainly the wearing of it should be a choice, but you can appreciate how it honours those who sacrificed their lives, which deserves respect imo.

Edgware · 10-11-2019 10:31pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

I dunno. I mean obviously there are people who show an unhinged side regarding their reverance to the poppy - and certainly the wearing of it should be a choice, but you can appreciate how it honours those who sacrificed their lives, which deserves respect imo.

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified unlike the Provo ones where it seems that the standard uniform is denim jeans, Celtic jersey and a packet of Johnny Blue in the arse pocket

Danzy · 10-11-2019 10:33pm

Edgware wrote: »

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified unlike the Provo ones where it seems that the standard uniform is denim jeans, Celtic jersey and a packet of Johnny Blue in the arse pocket

Do people here attend them?

Most will hardly have even known it was poppy day.

Just doesn't register.

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 10:33pm

Edgware wrote: »

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified ........

They are outlandish and just trying to do the American's.......dignified was gone a good few years ago now

The rest of your comment was just rubbish so I removed

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 10:35pm

Danzy wrote: »

Do people here attend them?

Most will hardly have even known it was poppy day.

Just doesn't register.

I guess poster was referring to the TV ones.....could be wrong of course!!!

Current theme for most things around this is watch the US and try to out do!!

10-11-2019 10:35pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wear it or don't wear it. Fine.
Just don't be a dickhead to people who choose to wear it or not as the case may be.

Video is attention seeking, not "shocking" as the DM has it. The burning of a small plastic flower is hardly beheading footage.

Aah come on. Now you’re just being sensible. We’re supposed to get all outraged by people wearing or not wearing a poppy.

It’s quite simple really.

If you want to wear one, wear one
If you don’t, then don’t.
If you get outraged by people wearing a poppy, you’re a prick
If you get outraged by people not wearing a poppy, you’re a prick.

But this is the age of social media where getting outraged is the most important thing.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 10:37pm

Aegir wrote: »

Aah come on. Now you’re just being sensible. We’re supposed to get all outraged by people wearing or not wearing a poppy.

It’s quite simple really.

If you want to wear one, wear one
If you don’t, then don’t.
If you get outraged by people wearing a poppy, you’re a prick
If you get outraged by people not wearing a poppy, you’re a prick.

But this is the age of social media where getting outraged is the most important thing.

You must be very 'outraged' to be using foul language there Aegir...calm down man, it's just a discussion.

Montage of Feck · 10-11-2019 10:39pm

Documtary on C4 right now about how the Africans who died for the empire were treated. Mostly dumped in unmarked mass graves.

hmmm · 10-11-2019 10:46pm

This annual Poppy-fest from Republicans is really boring. "Move on", as you like to say yourself.

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 11:02pm

hmmm wrote: »

This annual Poppy-fest from Republicans is really boring. "Move on", as you like to say yourself.

As posted already a few other countries have an issue with the poppy love in....easier for uk just to demonise people and say they are republicans.....

I am no republican and all I see the poppy celebrating is multiple atrocities and genocide by the British empire .....including the genocide in Ireland

markodaly · 10-11-2019 11:31pm

There are three things certain in life.

Death
Taxes
The annual boards.ie poppy thread where a certain clique of Irish people bang on about the poppy, usually bringing references to Kenya or Iraq.

Dr. Bre · 10-11-2019 11:35pm

Poppyganda

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 11:37pm

markodaly wrote: »

There are three things certain in life.

Death
Taxes
The annual boards.ie poppy thread where a certain clique of Irish people bang on about the poppy, usually bringing references to Kenya or Iraq.

And a clique trying to censor it, while not actually saying anything relevant.

Do Kenyans and Iraqi's not count, would you prefer if we forgot about them?

markodaly · 10-11-2019 11:56pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And a clique trying to censor it, while not actually saying anything relevant.

Do Kenyans and Iraqi's not count, would you prefer if we forgot about them?

Who is trying to censor you?

Francie, you are the most prolific poster on boards.ie in relation to any topic about SF/PIRA or most things on about 'da Brits'
Nobody is censoring you, not I, the mods, or MI5.

What some people may do is voice their opinion, which may be counter to your own. THAT is not censoring.

Know the difference.

FrancieBrady · 11-11-2019 12:04am

markodaly wrote: »

Who is trying to censor you?

Francie, you are the most prolific poster on boards.ie in relation to any topic about SF/PIRA or most things on about 'da Brits'
Nobody is censoring you, not I, the mods, or MI5.

What some people may do is voice their opinion, which may be counter to your own. THAT is not censoring.

Know the difference.

Oh it is, you think it is subtle, but it is an attempt to get people to be quiet...Aegir tried it earlier.

Don't click into threads like this, they are plainly marked after all. I do click into them. And I never used that abbreviation 'da Brits' ever...despite your, by now, familiar stereotyping. Like Aegir you need to calm down and allow debate.

markodaly · 11-11-2019 12:16am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh it is, you think it is subtle, but it is an attempt to get people to be quiet...Aegir tried it earlier.

Don't click into threads like this, they are plainly marked after all. I do click into them. And I never used that abbreviation 'da Brits' ever...despite your, by now, familiar stereotyping. Like Aegir you need to calm down and allow debate.

Oh, this is a debate is it?

Tell me, has anything changed the past 4 or so years each time this topic is brought up? I doubt it.
You just like to argue. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

katiek102010 · 11-11-2019 12:16am

I worked in the Civil service in the UK and it was rammed down our throats to wear them.

I refused as did a number of other people, Aisan and irish My managerr was all hot and bothered by the refusal and god love the ignorant dickhead but he could not understand that ireland was not park of the UK and needed a little geography and history lesson.

Easter lillys are a big no no and actually seen as some kind of terrorist emblem. Its the UK all over Litterly tries to wipe out any history that puts the in a bad light.

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

markodaly · 11-11-2019 12:20am

katiek102010 wrote: »

I worked in the Civil service in the UK and it was rammed down our throats to wear them.

I refused as did a number of other people, Aisan and irish My managerr was all hot and bothered by the refusal and god love the ignorant dickhead but he could not understand that ireland was not park of the UK and needed a little geography and history lesson.

Easter lillys are a big no no and actually seen as some kind of terrorist emblem. Its the UK all over Litterly tries to wipe out any history that puts the in a bad light.

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

I would not agree with that either in fairness. Forcing people to wear it in work, in a professional environment is a big no from me. Just as telling people they are NOT allowed to wear it.

It should be a personal choice at the end of the day, I do not understand why some get so hot and bothered about why people do, or do not wear one.
It is a free country after all, isn't that what Irish Independence and Republicanism is all about?

And for the record, I have never worn one.

high_king · 11-11-2019 12:22am

katiek102010 wrote: »

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

PRIDE should do something similar on people here on the TV and in the workplace. Good money spinner.

FrancieBrady · 11-11-2019 12:24am

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, this is a debate is it?

Tell me, has anything changed the past 4 or so years each time this topic is brought up? I doubt it.
You just like to argue. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

You entered the thread - arguing and getting hot and bothered. Your disconnect from your own behaviour is a giggle tbh.

katiek102010 · 11-11-2019 12:25am

markodaly wrote: »

I would not agree with that either in fairness. Forcing people to wear it in work, in a professional environment is a big no from me. Just as telling people they are NOT allowed to wear it.

It should be a personal choice at the end of the day, I do not understand why some get so hot and bothered about why people do, or do not wear one.
It is a free country after all, isn't that what Irish Independence and Republicanism is all about?

And for the record, I have never worn one.

Tbh manager was a complete dickhead and was always looking for a pat on the head as to how much his dept raised for the legion.

We were also in a public facing role in a white British tory area

It was very much rammed down throats. They were given out in school to the kids too and you were sent home a bill for the poppy.

Definately not a choice in South East England

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