Burning the Poppy - A thread.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 7:08pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am actually going to ..so you be will sorry.

This country at some point had almost everything taken away by colonialism. We weren't enslaved but we WERE colonized. We lost our language. Our culture. We were impoverished by that same colonialism to the point of disaster. Then the leave over of the same colonialism left us the troubles. The sectarianism was that was caused by colonialism. ( and it WAS caused by colonialism exists today). And finally when we have peace. The same Tory cranks are now breaking it all up again!

There is a WHOLE lot of legitimate grievances we have with the uk right now RIGHT NOW!.

None of them have anything to do with a poppy and they are really not served by arguing about a poppy. Whether or not people wear a poppy isn't going to make a difference.

In fact its just going to undermine any legitimate grievances recent or historical that Ireland has with the UK.

Not wearing the poppy won't change bloody Sunday. But the argument about it undermines our ability to stand up for our rights and demand our injustices be taken as seriously as they should be.

We are just expected to hand out passports to people who disrespect them.

Tories are treading on us right now. They are being dicks.

We should stand up for ourselves more. Right now. Our politicians should stand up for us more right now. Maybe we don't have the confidence.

As for the million of lovely lovely british people wearing a poppy ..bless them. They are doing it for the right reasons.
I think we have bigger things to beat the british govt with than a poppy. And its the WRONG fight to pick. Its not noble. Its not honorable to attack the symbol worn by kind people with good intent.

Maybe we do it because we don't have the GUTS to fight the right fight, right now.

Rant over.

..or maybe it is something people have a legitimate grievance/annoyance about?

The poppy nonsense is on the rise and it is important that it is objected to or we will all be wearing one because nobody wants to annoy the British or upset them.
There is overt and covert pressure to wear this thing, do you think the German football team choose to wear it or felt pressured to wear one? I think it was pressure to wear one, because a lot of people fear the onslaught of bile (ala McClean) if they say no.

Sawduck · 10-11-2019 7:11pm

She's a dope who only did it for attention but the reaction and hate towards her is over the top, and anyone who tried to bring her family into the situation is disgusting and needs help

corks finest · 10-11-2019 7:13pm

Sawduck wrote:

She's a dope who only did it for attention but the reaction and hate towards her is over the top, and anyone who tried to bring her family into the situation is disgusting and needs help

Correct

ILoveYourVibes · 10-11-2019 7:14pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

..or maybe it is something people have a legitimate grievance/annoyance about?

The poppy nonsense is on the rise and it is important that it is objected to or we will all be wearing one because nobody wants to annoy the British or upset them.
There is overt and covert pressure to wear this thing, do you think the German football team choose to wear it or felt pressured to wear one? I think it was pressure to wear one, because a lot of people fear the onslaught of bile (ala McClean) if they say no.

Its a stupid flower.

I am more concerned people inc our own govt don't want to annoy the British about other things.

Because quite frankly its time for us to kick some Tory arse on some issues. We have been far too generous and understanding.

Galwayguy35 · 10-11-2019 8:34pm

She's taking the heat off poor old James McClean for once so I suppose very cloud has a silver lining.

10-11-2019 8:53pm

Danzy wrote: »

The Royal British legion would disagree with you though.

As if the brits would take credit for something someone else thought up??!!

Danzy · 10-11-2019 9:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As if the brits would take credit for something someone else thought up??!!

Guerin came up with it me at a century ago, short time after That as a symbol it became about supporting and remembering British soldiers.

To say it has anything to do with freedom etc is a complete misrepresentation.

Plumbthedepths · 10-11-2019 9:22pm

Saw an article on line today, a publican in the UK was denying service to anyone not wearing a poppy. He got a lot of support but equally he got abuse from people accusing him of being a 'poppy nazi' there's some irony in that label.

Huntergonzo · 10-11-2019 9:31pm

So much misguided political anger!!

Seriously boys and girls, look after your family and friends, and leave dead people to rest.

Raconteuse · 10-11-2019 10:58pm

I dunno. I mean obviously there are people who show an unhinged side regarding their reverance to the poppy - and certainly the wearing of it should be a choice, but you can appreciate how it honours those who sacrificed their lives, which deserves respect imo.

Edgware · 10-11-2019 11:31pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

I dunno. I mean obviously there are people who show an unhinged side regarding their reverance to the poppy - and certainly the wearing of it should be a choice, but you can appreciate how it honours those who sacrificed their lives, which deserves respect imo.

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified unlike the Provo ones where it seems that the standard uniform is denim jeans, Celtic jersey and a packet of Johnny Blue in the arse pocket

Danzy · 10-11-2019 11:33pm

Edgware wrote: »

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified unlike the Provo ones where it seems that the standard uniform is denim jeans, Celtic jersey and a packet of Johnny Blue in the arse pocket

Do people here attend them?

Most will hardly have even known it was poppy day.

Just doesn't register.

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 11:33pm

Edgware wrote: »

At least the ceremonies today were sombre and dignified ........

They are outlandish and just trying to do the American's.......dignified was gone a good few years ago now

The rest of your comment was just rubbish so I removed

Shefwedfan · 10-11-2019 11:35pm

Danzy wrote: »

Do people here attend them?

Most will hardly have even known it was poppy day.

Just doesn't register.

I guess poster was referring to the TV ones.....could be wrong of course!!!

Current theme for most things around this is watch the US and try to out do!!

10-11-2019 11:35pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wear it or don't wear it. Fine.
Just don't be a dickhead to people who choose to wear it or not as the case may be.

Video is attention seeking, not "shocking" as the DM has it. The burning of a small plastic flower is hardly beheading footage.

Aah come on. Now you’re just being sensible. We’re supposed to get all outraged by people wearing or not wearing a poppy.

It’s quite simple really.

If you want to wear one, wear one
If you don’t, then don’t.
If you get outraged by people wearing a poppy, you’re a prick
If you get outraged by people not wearing a poppy, you’re a prick.

But this is the age of social media where getting outraged is the most important thing.

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2019 11:37pm

Aegir wrote: »

Aah come on. Now you’re just being sensible. We’re supposed to get all outraged by people wearing or not wearing a poppy.

It’s quite simple really.

If you want to wear one, wear one
If you don’t, then don’t.
If you get outraged by people wearing a poppy, you’re a prick
If you get outraged by people not wearing a poppy, you’re a prick.

But this is the age of social media where getting outraged is the most important thing.

You must be very 'outraged' to be using foul language there Aegir...calm down man, it's just a discussion.

Montage of Feck · 10-11-2019 11:39pm

Documtary on C4 right now about how the Africans who died for the empire were treated. Mostly dumped in unmarked mass graves.

hmmm · 10-11-2019 11:46pm

This annual Poppy-fest from Republicans is really boring. "Move on", as you like to say yourself.

Shefwedfan · 11-11-2019 12:02am

hmmm wrote: »

This annual Poppy-fest from Republicans is really boring. "Move on", as you like to say yourself.

As posted already a few other countries have an issue with the poppy love in....easier for uk just to demonise people and say they are republicans.....

I am no republican and all I see the poppy celebrating is multiple atrocities and genocide by the British empire .....including the genocide in Ireland

markodaly · 11-11-2019 12:31am

There are three things certain in life.

Death
Taxes
The annual boards.ie poppy thread where a certain clique of Irish people bang on about the poppy, usually bringing references to Kenya or Iraq.

Dr. Bre · 11-11-2019 12:35am

Poppyganda

FrancieBrady · 11-11-2019 12:37am

markodaly wrote: »

There are three things certain in life.

Death
Taxes
The annual boards.ie poppy thread where a certain clique of Irish people bang on about the poppy, usually bringing references to Kenya or Iraq.

And a clique trying to censor it, while not actually saying anything relevant.

Do Kenyans and Iraqi's not count, would you prefer if we forgot about them?

markodaly · 11-11-2019 12:56am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And a clique trying to censor it, while not actually saying anything relevant.

Do Kenyans and Iraqi's not count, would you prefer if we forgot about them?

Who is trying to censor you?

Francie, you are the most prolific poster on boards.ie in relation to any topic about SF/PIRA or most things on about 'da Brits'
Nobody is censoring you, not I, the mods, or MI5.

What some people may do is voice their opinion, which may be counter to your own. THAT is not censoring.

Know the difference.

FrancieBrady · 11-11-2019 1:04am

markodaly wrote: »

Who is trying to censor you?

Francie, you are the most prolific poster on boards.ie in relation to any topic about SF/PIRA or most things on about 'da Brits'
Nobody is censoring you, not I, the mods, or MI5.

What some people may do is voice their opinion, which may be counter to your own. THAT is not censoring.

Know the difference.

Oh it is, you think it is subtle, but it is an attempt to get people to be quiet...Aegir tried it earlier.

Don't click into threads like this, they are plainly marked after all. I do click into them. And I never used that abbreviation 'da Brits' ever...despite your, by now, familiar stereotyping. Like Aegir you need to calm down and allow debate.

markodaly · 11-11-2019 1:16am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh it is, you think it is subtle, but it is an attempt to get people to be quiet...Aegir tried it earlier.

Don't click into threads like this, they are plainly marked after all. I do click into them. And I never used that abbreviation 'da Brits' ever...despite your, by now, familiar stereotyping. Like Aegir you need to calm down and allow debate.

Oh, this is a debate is it?

Tell me, has anything changed the past 4 or so years each time this topic is brought up? I doubt it.
You just like to argue. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

katiek102010 · 11-11-2019 1:16am

I worked in the Civil service in the UK and it was rammed down our throats to wear them.

I refused as did a number of other people, Aisan and irish My managerr was all hot and bothered by the refusal and god love the ignorant dickhead but he could not understand that ireland was not park of the UK and needed a little geography and history lesson.

Easter lillys are a big no no and actually seen as some kind of terrorist emblem. Its the UK all over Litterly tries to wipe out any history that puts the in a bad light.

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

markodaly · 11-11-2019 1:20am

katiek102010 wrote: »

I worked in the Civil service in the UK and it was rammed down our throats to wear them.

I refused as did a number of other people, Aisan and irish My managerr was all hot and bothered by the refusal and god love the ignorant dickhead but he could not understand that ireland was not park of the UK and needed a little geography and history lesson.

Easter lillys are a big no no and actually seen as some kind of terrorist emblem. Its the UK all over Litterly tries to wipe out any history that puts the in a bad light.

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

I would not agree with that either in fairness. Forcing people to wear it in work, in a professional environment is a big no from me. Just as telling people they are NOT allowed to wear it.

It should be a personal choice at the end of the day, I do not understand why some get so hot and bothered about why people do, or do not wear one.
It is a free country after all, isn't that what Irish Independence and Republicanism is all about?

And for the record, I have never worn one.

high_king · 11-11-2019 1:22am

katiek102010 wrote: »

My company my husband worked for bought them directly from the British legion and they were expected to wear them daily from 1st november

PRIDE should do something similar on people here on the TV and in the workplace. Good money spinner.

FrancieBrady · 11-11-2019 1:24am

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, this is a debate is it?

Tell me, has anything changed the past 4 or so years each time this topic is brought up? I doubt it.
You just like to argue. Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

You entered the thread - arguing and getting hot and bothered. Your disconnect from your own behaviour is a giggle tbh.

katiek102010 · 11-11-2019 1:25am

markodaly wrote: »

I would not agree with that either in fairness. Forcing people to wear it in work, in a professional environment is a big no from me. Just as telling people they are NOT allowed to wear it.

It should be a personal choice at the end of the day, I do not understand why some get so hot and bothered about why people do, or do not wear one.
It is a free country after all, isn't that what Irish Independence and Republicanism is all about?

And for the record, I have never worn one.

Tbh manager was a complete dickhead and was always looking for a pat on the head as to how much his dept raised for the legion.

We were also in a public facing role in a white British tory area

It was very much rammed down throats. They were given out in school to the kids too and you were sent home a bill for the poppy.

Definately not a choice in South East England

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