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Garda tries to arrest a minor and mother and family intervene

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    #242
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,405 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Cop was dead right. family should all do hard time for about 5 years on the basis of that video alone

    I’ve said it before on boards but a huge problem in this country is the holiday camps that are the prison system. Prison needs to be way, way, way tougher to “put manners” on these types.

    Just on a side note a long prison sentence with gruel and stale bread would do a power of good to the big fat momma in her PJs


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    #243
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    iamtony wrote: »
    When gangs take over an entire housing estate forcing all the decent neighbours to stay indoor afraid to "rat" or they face the consequences and the police force can't do anything to control it then yes I'm sure the majority of the public would love to see the army roll up and if one of the little animals starts firing rocks, fireworks or anything of that nature at them then rubber bullets would he justified.

    I’d rather they use real ones on useless scum like that. Ireland’s gone to ****! Overly taxed paye workers paying for **** like that to sit around all day doing nothing in their free houses except cause trouble ...and then when they eventually caught, free legal aid and the judge lets em away again as these are their handy little earners! Legal system needs to be vastly over hauled by external agency but govt never going to take on their friends...


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    #244
    myshirt
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Cop was dead right. family should all do hard time for about 5 years on the basis of that video alone

    I’ve said it before on boards but a huge problem in this country is the holiday camps that are the prison system. Prison needs to be way, way, way tougher to “put manners” on these types.

    Just on a side note a long prison sentence with gruel and stale bread would do a power of good to the big fat momma in her PJs

    I understand the sentiment, but you haven't a clue what you are on about. There are deep sociological problems here. Even epigenetic. Modeling our prison system on Russia would make this worse and leave us with a much bigger problem.


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    #245
    iamtony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    myshirt wrote: »
    I understand the sentiment, but you haven't a clue what you are on about. There are deep sociological problems here. Even epigenetic. Modeling our prison system on Russia would make this worse and leave us with a much bigger problem.

    Maybe the prisons dont need to be tougher, maybe make the laws stricter and the sentences way way longer and while locked up in the new super prison you have to work for privileged items like cigarettes and the work could include study or learning a trade.


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    #246
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    iamtony wrote: »
    Maybe the prisons dont need to be tougher, maybe make the laws stricter and the sentences way way longer and while locked up in the new super prison you have to work for privileged items like cigarettes and the work could include study or learning a trade.
    I think the vast vast majority of them will never know what it's like to hold a paypacket in their hand and think I've earned this.. never know that feeling. they'll just breed another large family of welfare dependents and these will breed another and on and on till the burden of clothing and rearing all these people becomes too much for the working taxpayer and the whole thing topples over under its own weight. I can't see it lasting


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    #247
    TallGlass2
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭TallGlass2


    iamtony wrote: »
    When gangs take over an entire housing estate forcing all the decent neighbours to stay indoor afraid to "rat" or they face the consequences and the police force can't do anything
    In fairness, the Garda can do things and do, it's the courts letting this ****és back out on the street to run amuck.

    So the neighbors hands are tied, the Garda's hands are tied and it's the judges doing it.

    The court system as a whole is bending over backwards not to put law breakers away, I understand maybe if you done something wrong once, twice maybe even 3 times, but when your talking 50/100/150/200/250/300 time to be before the courts.

    I'd suggest a good hiding is the only currency these folks understand, but that's not right either.


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    #248
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    nthclare wrote: »
    I got a kick up the hole by a guarda for egging someone's house in the 80's and I ****ing deserved it.

    Ohh he's a minor, ohhh ohhh my kids my kid's my kid's...

    I wasn't going to go home and tell my dad Guarda Macaley kicked me up the hole...

    Life was different in the 80's none of this my kid's my kid's my kid's ****...

    A good kick up the hole and I deserved it :)

    And it was good for you, this generation know they can't be touched and it's damaging to them - they think the world owes them a living,
    imagine it in 20 years time.


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    #249
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,619 ✭✭✭Feisar


    iamtony wrote: »
    When gangs take over an entire housing estate forcing all the decent neighbours to stay indoor afraid to "rat" or they face the consequences and the police force can't do anything to control it then yes I'm sure the majority of the public would love to see the army roll up and if one of the little animals starts firing rocks, fireworks or anything of that nature at them then rubber bullets would he justified.

    Rubber bounces, lead doesn't.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #250
    [Deleted User]
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    The man that was hit with the scrambler was still in hospital as of August this year

    The injuries he sustained
    The couple, who were planning to have a family, had moved to Dublin only weeks before the scrambler bike incident.
    Mr Avetian lost his left eye and suffered multiple facial fractures, including to his forehead.
    His nasal bones were broken, as was his jaw, and he suffered a severe brain injury and haemorrhage.

    And the 16 year old that caused these injuries received this harsh sentence
    The 16-year-old scrambler rider was not charged. He did not appear before a court, but was dealt with by the Juvenile Diversion Programme.


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    #251
    Paulzx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    kowloon wrote: »
    The wealth gap has widened over time, our highest earners are doing just fine. But there's plenty of doom and gloom about another recession on the horizon when the effects of the last one are still evident, and we'll see massive unemployment due to automation in the longer term. That's going to push huge numbers of people out of the workforce and into the ranks of the unemployed. Society is in for a shock and there needs to be some serious thought put into how to solve the problem.

    There's still a difference between someone who has lost their job and wants to work and the minority habitual welfare dependant spongers who provide the intergenerational welfare claimers.

    Most people will adapt and do anything in order to work if they are made redundant.

    The wealth gap is irellevant to the lifetime claimers. They have no aspirations to do anything else with their lives except be mollycoddled by the state at all stages of their lives with free/cheap housing and free money. When you are happy with that lifestyle there is no incentive to change when you know it will continue for ever.

    The normal worker who puts in a 50 hour week for minimum wage and struggles every step of the way to support a family is the person the state should be giving a leg up to.


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    #252
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Paulzx wrote: »
    They have no aspirations to do anything else with their lives except be mollycoddled by the state at all stages of their lives with free/cheap housing and free money.

    Monkey see, monkey do.

    If we have a generation of parents who don't bother trying to get a job, then we will have subsequent generations of people who don't bother trying to get a job.


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    #253
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Perpetual and unconditional social welfare has a lot to answer for. The incentives that it creates and the lifestyles that become viable through it are rotten.


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    #254
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Perpetual and unconditional social welfare has a lot to answer for. The incentives that it creates and the lifestyles that become viable through it are rotten.
    Throw increasing levels of cocaine use into the mix and the landscape doesn't look well "going forward" as they say


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    #255
    pure.conya
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭pure.conya


    sugarman wrote: »
    Id imagine most 14 year olds around the country aren't as lucky to have been bought a scrambler as gift from their parents worth a few thousand euro.

    bike was stolen, young lad has been posting ads online looking for a reseat for the bike quick fast lol


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    #256
    pure.conya
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭pure.conya


    Strumms wrote: »
    he will be in school relating the whole story

    he will yeah


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    #257
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Just from watching the video alone.

    Gárd handled it rather awkwardly. Instead of calling for a 4-door and dealing with it in a more "civilised" manner (as civilised as you can go in an area like the look of that), he chose to immediately grab the child to arrest him in a hurry. He did nothing illegal though, he was within his right to at least call for the lad's arrest (whatever it was he done)
    Child was instantly guilty the moment he said "I'm under age" << straight to the lack of respect. Being a smart-arse isn't gonna help you in future, lad.
    Three fully grown adults jumped in and made it worse.
    Then the other lad "arrest me, then!", I mean jesus christ will ya ever stop...........
    I dunno about the spray.



    Then again, just by looking at the utter nick of the familiy, this must be a regular occurrence, and this is all based on my own ignorance, but I'll own that ignorance as there's never a good side to people of that ilk.. If you don't want people talkin' about you, have a bit of bloody class about you at least. Stop going out into the street in your PJs - I'd say they go to the chipper in those PJs as well, I've seen it so many times.

    I heard on the radio, a discussion about the possibility of Gárdai having cameras attached to their person while on duty. This is one of those situations where I feel it was absolutely necessary, at least to cover his own arse. Because with that video you only get one side (even though it contradicts themselves and shows they have no clue how to obey the law - deluded)

    Edit: Just found out it was supposedly a stolen scrambler incident, by which he was possibly, likely, caught with it, and didn't even have the cop-on to at least admit it, and his family equally had no regard for the law by sticking up for the lad. Ridiculous.. or should I say "REdiculus" << (Facebook is full of that drivel. It's fantastic comedy)


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    #258
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    Gárd handled it rather awkwardly. Instead of calling for a 4-door and dealing with it in a more "civilised" manner (as civilised as you can go in an area like the look of that), he chose to immediately grab the child to arrest him in a hurry. He did nothing illegal though, he was within his right to at least call for the lad's arrest (whatever it was he done)

    We don't see the start of the kid's interraction with the Garda so I'm going to guess that the Garda saw the kid on the scrambler and the kid then got off the scrambler near his house. Again a guess but I reckon the Garda made the decision to arrest him there and then to prevent him running into his house and then the Garda later on having to prove it was him on the scrambler.

    All just guesses but I think I'm probably not far off the mark.


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    #259
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    We don't see the start of the kid's interraction with the Garda so I'm going to guess that the Garda saw the kid on the scrambler and the kid then got off the scrambler near his house. Again a guess but I reckon the Garda made the decision to arrest him there and then to prevent him running into his house and then the Garda later on having to prove it was him on the scrambler.

    All just guesses but I think I'm probably not far off the mark.

    Yeah I updated my post after seeing that it was a stolen bike, also mentioning he was probably caught with it.

    I still maintain there were better ways to go about it. It's not like the kid was going anywhere anytime soon as it was more than likely his residence. But that family are living in the mindframe of "Under 18 =/= liability even if they break the law" as if just because he's under 18 that gives him a free pass. Them reacting the way they did only further proves that point.


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    #260
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    Just from watching the video alone.

    Gárd handled it rather awkwardly. Instead of calling for a 4-door and dealing with it in a more "civilised" manner (as civilised as you can go in an area like the look of that), he chose to immediately grab the child to arrest him in a hurry. He did nothing illegal though, he was within his right to at least call for the lad's arrest (whatever it was he done)
    Child was instantly guilty the moment he said "I'm under age" << straight to the lack of respect. Being a smart-arse isn't gonna help you in future, lad.
    Three fully grown adults jumped in and made it worse.
    Then the other lad "arrest me, then!", I mean jesus christ will ya ever stop...........
    I dunno about the spray.

    Then again, just by looking at the utter nick of the familiy, this must be a regular occurrence, and this is all based on my own ignorance, but I'll own that ignorance as there's never a good side to people of that ilk.. If you don't want people talkin' about you, have a bit of bloody class about you at least. Stop going out into the street in your PJs - I'd say they go to the chipper in those PJs as well, I've seen it so many times.

    I heard on the radio, a discussion about the possibility of Gárdai having cameras attached to their person while on duty. This is one of those situations where I feel it was absolutely necessary, at least to cover his own arse. Because with that video you only get one side (even though it contradicts themselves and shows they have no clue how to obey the law - deluded)

    Edit: Just found out it was supposedly a stolen scrambler incident, by which he was possibly, likely, caught with it, and didn't even have the cop-on to at least admit it, and his family equally had no regard for the law by sticking up for the lad. Ridiculous.. or should I say "REdiculus" << (Facebook is full of that drivel. It's fantastic comedy)

    Please post the fb link. I can imagine all the locals sticking up for him. It will be worth it for the spelling alone.

    Anyone know where it happened?


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    #261
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Mustafa Fresh Organist wrote: »
    Please post the fb link. I can imagine all the locals sticking up for him. It will be worth it for the spelling alone.

    Anyone know where it happened?

    Oh no sorry, you misunderstood what I wrote lol
    I meant that Facebook is generally full of that drivel. As in I always see it - people misspelling simple words and typing absolute nonsense.

    A lot of it can be found on the "Dumb Facebook Status" thread here on Boards.

    I should've been more clear.


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    #262
    Tommybojangles
    Registered Users Posts: 392 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    PukkaStukka wrote: »
    Do you have a link to the Facebook page? I need a good laugh right now

    How has this not been shared yet


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    #263
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Mustafa Fresh Organist wrote: »
    Please post the fb link. I can imagine all the locals sticking up for him. It will be worth it for the spelling alone.

    Anyone know where it happened?
    :D:D:D


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    #264
    PukkaStukka
    Registered Users Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    Oh no sorry, you misunderstood what I wrote lol
    I meant that Facebook is generally full of that drivel. As in I always see it - people misspelling simple words and typing absolute nonsense.

    A lot of it can be found on the "Dumb Facebook Status" thread here on Boards.

    I should've been more clear.

    I checked Dumb/Great Facebook Status thread and
    unfortunately found nothing


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    #265
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    PukkaStukka wrote: »
    I checked Dumb/Great Facebook Status thread and
    unfortunately found nothing


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057422698


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    #266
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,415 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I wonder who the local PBP/Solidarity representative is, no doubt they will be on the case suggesting the Guard was wrong.

    It's only dole lifers like that lot that vote for them.


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    #267
    imme
    Registered Users Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Do you know the details here OP.

    Why are you putting up a video without giving details of what is happening/ has happened up to the point that the video starts.

    12 years of age is the minimum arrest age but there are exceptions.

    There is an inexplicable mania in the last 5-10 years for people to share this type of video, car crashes, murder scenes, all sorts of stuff.

    What is wrong with people?

    The goings on featured here point to the reason why we shouldn't be building mass 'social housing'.


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    #268
    scamalert
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    imme wrote: »
    Do you know the details here OP.

    Why are you putting up a video without giving details of what is happening/ has happened up to the point that the video starts.

    12 years of age is the minimum arrest age but there are exceptions.

    There is an inexplicable mania in the last 5-10 years for people to share this type of video, car crashes, murder scenes, all sorts of stuff.

    What is wrong with people?

    The goings on featured here point to the reason why we shouldn't be building mass 'social housing'.
    Exposing how fcked up and rotten entire system is that law enforcement cant even manage **** like that is disgrace, if guard needs army to back him up to arrest some drip, what hope is there left ?


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    #269
    PukkaStukka
    Registered Users Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057422698

    Yeah I found the tread earlier alright but there's nothing about this subject therein


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    #270
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Feisar wrote: »
    Rubber bounces, lead doesn't.

    Hollow heads..

    No bounce at all unless it's the skanky head hitting the ground...or we can give them a free house **** loads of social welfare and free travel & medical card and absolutely no f#@king consequences for criminal activity, anti social behaviour and basically making everyone else's life a f$#king misery.

    Thank you judge Martin nolan and the rest of you cu$ts in the legal profession, the sons and daughters of the trough scoffing scum in dail eireann feeding at the trough aswel.......


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    #271
    blade1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    PukkaStukka wrote: »
    Yeah I found the tread earlier alright but there's nothing about this subject therein

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