39 people found dead in trailer in UK

goat2 · 01-11-2019 12:05PM

US2 wrote: »

They're Asian viatnamese , don't think there's any bombs being dropped there atm ?

There are supposed to have been a convoy of three lorries , where are the other two,
Did Mr Robinson pull into some quiet estate to open the doors of the fridge unit, and why

lunamoon · 01-11-2019 01:23PM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Taking the fall for the others higher up by not naming names.
He will be looked after that way,if he sings like a canary he wont last a week in prison.

Just out of curiosity. Have you stats on how many serious assaults happen in prisons? From my understanding he'd go straight into protection in prison if there was any sort of threat to his life.

Loafing Oaf · 01-11-2019 01:40PM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Taking the fall for the others higher up by not naming names.
He will be looked after that way,if he sings like a canary he wont last a week in prison.

If the 'higher ups' are mostly 'Irish Catholic' of some description will anyone in an English prison care though? Might even be a positive in that environment...

buttercups88 · 01-11-2019 01:44PM

Just seen on sky police have made a direct appeal for the Hughes brothers to hand themselves in.
theres pictures of trucks with Hughes printed on them being stopped and searched. They must have some very good evidence against them

US2 · 01-11-2019 01:49PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Just seen on sky police have made a direct appeal for the Hughes brothers to hand themselves in.
theres pictures of trucks with Hughes printed on them being stopped and searched. They must have some very good evidence against them

Yet no warrant for the arrest ?

buttercups88 · 01-11-2019 02:00PM

Second man from northern Ireland charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and the same charges as Mr Robinson

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2019 02:02PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Just seen on sky police have made a direct appeal for the Hughes brothers to hand themselves in.
theres pictures of trucks with Hughes printed on them being stopped and searched. They must have some very good evidence against them

If they had very good evidence they would simply issue a European arrest warrant. They haven't.

My local paper here in Monaghan are claiming they have spoken on the phone to one of them.

buttercups88 · 01-11-2019 02:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If they had very good evidence they would simply issue a European arrest warrant. They haven't.

My local paper here in Monaghan are claiming they have spoken on the phone to one of them.

One of them rang police not long after Robinson was arrested asking questions about what the police knew

01-11-2019 02:06PM

A European arrest warrant would be needed by the UK police if seeking to extradite someone from Ireland. As I understand it, such a warrant can only be issued if they can show sufficient evidence to charge a person with a crime.

If a suspect was in the UK jurisdiction there may be a warrant to arrest for questioning on suspicion of a crime - a much lower hurdle, and the one Mo Robinson was originally arrested on. That is not to say whether or not there is any crime involved.

Anyway, hopefully they will be just glad to assist with enquiries - as most decent, innocent people would do in the circumstances. It would certainly be interesting to know how one of their names was on the lease for the container, as reported, and if they might have any knowledge of the movements of the trailer after it was leased.

buttercups88 · 01-11-2019 03:23PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Second man from northern Ireland charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and the same charges as Mr Robinson

"A 23-year-old man been arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people in a lorry trailer in Essex.

Eamon Harrison appeared in court in Dublin after being detained on a European Arrest Warrant."

Two held and others summoned in Vietnam as well in connection

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2019 03:28PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

"A 23-year-old man been arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people in a lorry trailer in Essex.

Eamon Harrison appeared in court in Dublin after being detained on a European Arrest Warrant."

Two held and others summoned in Vietnam as well in connection

I see two were arrested in Vietnam too. Net is closing and somebody is singing IMO.

buttercups88 · 01-11-2019 03:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see two were arrested in Vietnam too. Net is closing and somebody is singing IMO.

Yep definitely someone is talking and I dont think it will go down well

Quantum Erasure · 01-11-2019 05:00PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Just seen on sky police have made a direct appeal for the Hughes brothers to hand themselves in.
theres pictures of trucks with Hughes printed on them being stopped and searched. They must have some very good evidence against them

are they checking the trailers...?

PostWoke · 01-11-2019 05:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see two were arrested in Vietnam too. Net is closing and somebody is singing IMO.

Like a bird.

Crazy young people getting caught up in this. Bet they thought they were smarter than everyone else trafficking people.

banie01 · 01-11-2019 05:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If they had very good evidence they would simply issue a European arrest warrant. They haven't.

They have issued an appeal for them to present themselves to the PSNI.
Why would a European Arrest Warrant be needed if as seems to be the belief of the UK Police, they are in a UK jurisdiction?

01-11-2019 06:04PM

banie01 wrote: »

They have issued an appeal for them to present themselves to the PSNI.
Why would a European Arrest Warrant be needed if as seems to be the belief of the UK Police, they are in a UK jurisdiction?

No - reportedly in Monaghan.

I think the "request" is that they cross the border and talk to the PSNI. Obviously not sufficient evidence for a Europen arrest warrant. However, if in NI a warrant for questioning would be easier to obtain.

downcow · 01-11-2019 07:12PM

downcow wrote: »

Deflect all you like. HYou wont prevent the truth comming out in due course.
What wiskful thinking 'dup supporter'

I haven’t followed this thread for a while. But I got slated for challenging people who were linking the dup. And it wasn’t just on here The papers had the lad driving the lorry holding an Ulster flag.
But as I suggested the truth is starting to come out. The lorry driver had been raised in a unionist house but he is a 25 year old tiny cog in a very big wheel.
The republican links are starting to appear!

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2019 07:41PM

downcow wrote: »

I haven’t followed this thread for a while. But I got slated for challenging people who were linking the dup. And it wasn’t just on here The papers had the lad driving the lorry holding an Ulster flag.
But as I suggested the truth is starting to come out. The lorry driver had been raised in a unionist house but he is a 25 year old tiny cog in a very big wheel.
The republican links are starting to appear!

39 counts of manslaughter? Yeh - tiny cog alright. He can comfort himself in prison with that nugget if he is found guilty. Downcow thinks I'm a tiny cog.

To be delighted and gloating that it isn't one of 'your wans' in this scenario is nauseating.

Anyone involved in this deserves the full weight of the law...tiny, medium or large cog.

Calypso Realm · 01-11-2019 09:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If they had very good evidence they would simply issue a European arrest warrant. They haven't.

My local paper here in Monaghan are claiming they have spoken on the phone to one of them.

As far as I know they can only issue one when an individual is charged with something, not solely on the basis of having some evidence.

The detective who appealed on the news said they wanted to speak to the brothers in order 'to progress the investigation'.

Calypso Realm · 01-11-2019 10:33PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Yep definitely someone is talking and I dont think it will go down well

Not necessarily at this end though. As well as revealing they believe all those who died are Veitnamese, the police have stated they've been in close contact with the Vietnamese Government and some of the families involved. Some of those interview on TV before said they'd not have allowed their relatives to go had they known of the dangers involved.

Witchie · 02-11-2019 02:05AM

Hypothetically speaking...if someone was to bundle these pieces of sh*t into a refrigerated truck and drop them at a psni station, do you think they would get arrested or die from fear of suffocation like their victims did?

windy shepard henderson · 02-11-2019 06:18AM

downcow wrote: »

I haven’t followed this thread for a while. But I got slated for challenging people who were linking the dup. And it wasn’t just on here The papers had the lad driving the lorry holding an Ulster flag.
But as I suggested the truth is starting to come out. The lorry driver had been raised in a unionist house but he is a 25 year old tiny cog in a very big wheel.
The republican links are starting to appear!

You deserve to get slated, and especially aft this post too where you try to turn it into a unionist v Republican thing

I highly doubt anyone in this is a tiny cog regardless of what background he comes from or they come from,

You would almost feel sorry for the guy for getting caught with the way your talking about him

downcow · 02-11-2019 07:50AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

You deserve to get slated, and especially aft this post too where you try to turn it into a unionist v Republican thing

I highly doubt anyone in this is a tiny cog regardless of what background he comes from or they come from,

You would almost feel sorry for the guy for getting caught with the way your talking about him

Nonsense. Look back at the glee from many on here After they had scoured his Facebook page and found evidence that he was from a unionist background, indeed they went as far as to say he was a dup supporter. I simply challenged that nonsense and said that I would be surprised if terrorist orgs were not mixed up in it and that I would be even more surprised if it was loyalist gangs.
People slated me for suggesting the same shady republican paramilitaries that were mixed up in other stuff in the border counties would be connected.
Well it’s starting to come out and I am simply pointing this out to those who linked the dup and said I was talking nonsense
Whoever gets convicted needs to feel the full weight of the penal system and that includes the lorry driver if found guilty

celt262 · 02-11-2019 09:09AM

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. Look back at the glee from many on here After they had scoured his Facebook page and found evidence that he was from a unionist background, indeed they went as far as to say he was a dup supporter. I simply challenged that nonsense and said that I would be surprised if terrorist orgs were not mixed up in it and that I would be even more surprised if it was loyalist gangs.
People slated me for suggesting the same shady republican paramilitaries that were mixed up in other stuff in the border counties would be connected.
Well it’s starting to come out and I am simply pointing this out to those who linked the dup and said I was talking nonsense
Whoever gets convicted needs to feel the full weight of the penal system and that includes the lorry driver if found guilty

Have I missed something where are the links to shady Republican paramilitaries?

lola85 · 02-11-2019 09:10AM

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. Look back at the glee from many on here After they had scoured his Facebook page and found evidence that he was from a unionist background, indeed they went as far as to say he was a dup supporter. I simply challenged that nonsense and said that I would be surprised if terrorist orgs were not mixed up in it and that I would be even more surprised if it was loyalist gangs.
People slated me for suggesting the same shady republican paramilitaries that were mixed up in other stuff in the border counties would be connected.
Well it’s starting to come out and I am simply pointing this out to those who linked the dup and said I was talking nonsense
Whoever gets convicted needs to feel the full weight of the penal system and that includes the lorry driver if found guilty

I just seen a pic of him burning a tri colour so I’d hold off blowing your load just yet.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2019 09:13AM

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. Look back at the glee from many on here After they had scoured his Facebook page and found evidence that he was from a unionist background, indeed they went as far as to say he was a dup supporter. I simply challenged that nonsense and said that I would be surprised if terrorist orgs were not mixed up in it and that I would be even more surprised if it was loyalist gangs.
People slated me for suggesting the same shady republican paramilitaries that were mixed up in other stuff in the border counties would be connected.
Well it’s starting to come out and I am simply pointing this out to those who linked the dup and said I was talking nonsense
Whoever gets convicted needs to feel the full weight of the penal system and that includes the lorry driver if found guilty

Downcow, he IS a loyalist supporter, the evidence is there in the pictures released of him. Get over it.

His 'loyalism' has as much to do with this as the football team he supports has.
If he is guilty he is a criminal involved in the deaths of 39 people for profit.

Stop playing football with it yourself maybe?

volchitsa · 02-11-2019 09:19AM

celt262 wrote: »

Have I missed something where are the links to shady Republican paramilitaries?

Down cow is using the same equivalences that led loyalist paramilitaries to murder completely random Catholics during the troubles. Irish-sounding name=Republican paramilitary or active supporter.

downcow · 02-11-2019 09:37AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Down cow is using the same equivalences that led loyalist paramilitaries to murder completely random Catholics during the troubles. Irish-sounding name=Republican paramilitary or active supporter.

Completely off topic. You can travel through and see the glee of many on here when they thought they had found a loyalist link to this tragedy. I am simply saying when it all comes out in the wash the opposite is the likeliest outcome. Of course opposite is the wrong term to use as the uvf lvf uda ira new ira whatever are all cut from the same cloth.

I am simply advising caution to those that run off on ‘those loyalist scumbags are at it again’ may end up with egg on their faces.
And you’ll find that this thread had many references to his unionist background before his links to republicans were ever mentioned.

Now back on topic to the horrendous personal tragedy

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2019 09:46AM

downcow wrote: »

Completely off topic. You can travel through and see the glee of many on here when they thought they had found a loyalist link to this tragedy. I am simply saying when it all comes out in the wash the opposite is the likeliest outcome. Of course opposite is the wrong term to use as the uvf lvf uda ira new ira whatever are all cut from the same cloth.

I am simply advising caution to those that run off on ‘those loyalist scumbags are at it again’ may end up with egg on their faces.
And you’ll find that this thread had many references to his unionist background before his links to republicans were ever mentioned.

Now back on topic to the horrendous personal tragedy

'They are all cut from the same cloth, but my crowd were not involved in it on their own'?

That is what you are saying. Transparent and disgusting use of victims again downcow.

Just because some others do it, doesn't mean you HAVE to engage in it too.

volchitsa · 02-11-2019 10:14AM

downcow wrote: »

Completely off topic. You can travel through and see the glee of many on here when they thought they had found a loyalist link to this tragedy. I am simply saying when it all comes out in the wash the opposite is the likeliest outcome. Of course opposite is the wrong term to use as the uvf lvf uda ira new ira whatever are all cut from the same cloth.

I am simply advising caution to those that run off on ‘those loyalist scumbags are at it again’ may end up with egg on their faces.
And you’ll find that this thread had many references to his unionist background before his links to republicans were ever mentioned.

Now back on topic to the horrendous personal tragedy

What's off topic was your speculation, based purely on them having Catholic names or residence in RoI, that the others named so far are "shady republican paramilitaries.

If you don't like people calling you out on it, it's simple: stop conflating someone being catholic/Irish with being a republican paramilitary.

When those other suspects are seen burning Union jacks or wrapping themselves in Republican paramilitary insignia then your attempt at an equivalence will be fair. So far, that's not the case, so yes, your logic is exactly that of the UFF and others.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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