39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Sir Oxman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50150070
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/23/driver-arrested-after-39-bodies-found-in-lorry-container-in-essex
https://news.sky.com/story/39-dead-bodies-found-inside-lorry-in-essex-11842770


NI man arrested and chargedwith suspicion of murder (according to LBC)
Sketchy details so far
EDIT:Trailer originated in Bulgaria, entered UK via Holyhead? ??<---sketchy details as I say

biko

That's terrible - RIP

Boggles

Horrific.

Doubt they are Bulgarians.

ohnonotgmail

Boggles wrote: »

Horrific.

Doubt they are Bulgarians.

yeah that wouldn;t make much sense. they are part of the eu. they could have just got the ferry.

Sir Oxman

Boggles wrote: »

Horrific.

Doubt they are Bulgarians.

Yeah, it's now "The force said the lorry came from Bulgaria and entered the country via Holyhead on Saturday."


I'm not up to date on my ports but how can a trailer enter the UK from Bulgaria via Holyhead - I thought that route was Ireland-UK-Ireland only?

Plumbthedepths

I would hazard a guess they are from further afield than Bulgaria. Christ what a horrible way to end your life.
RIP to them all.
People traffickers are scum and should be treated as such. The driver is just the courier.

Bob Harris

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Yeah, it's now "The force said the lorry came from Bulgaria and entered the country via Holyhead on Saturday."


I'm not up to date on my ports but how can a trailer enter the UK from Bulgaria via Holyhead - I thought that route was Ireland-UK-Ireland only?

Could the truck have been in Ireland before entering the Uk?

antix80

Why is it just the lorry driver being arrested? The politicians and authorities are complicit. There would be no demand for illegal ferrying of immigrants if illegals were shipped back rather than being allowed to stay.

suicide_circus

god almighty, horrible stuff

Sir Oxman

Bob Harris wrote: »

Could the truck have been in Ireland before entering the Uk?

That Holyhead bit is confusing me completely

Thelonious Monk

antix80 wrote: »

Why is it just the lorry driver being arrested? The politicians and authorities are complicit. There would be no demand for illegal ferrying of immigrants if illegals were shipped back rather than being allowed to stay.

You're naïve to think that. Immigrants are going to keep coming to rich countries to make a better life no matter what, legally or illegally. I doubt any of these people had ambitions of getting UK passports they probably planned working illegally. There's not a lot the Governments can do about that.

SEPT 23 1989

France Rosslare Dublin Holyhead?

jolter

Christ that so sad, may they rest in peace

Bob Harris

Sir Oxman wrote: »

That Holyhead bit is confusing me completely

If it did come from Ireland with the 39 on board there is going to be a right old shítstorm especially with the whole Brexit issue and border control.

the poor souls could have been come through one of the direct ferries from France.

There is a very good chance the driver had no idea what was inside.

terrible tragedy.

SEPT 23 1989

Aegir wrote: »

There is a very good chance the driver had no idea what was inside.

39 people

doubt it

Sir Oxman

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

France Rosslare Dublin Holyhead?

Roundabout way and 4 passes through customs/random checks sounds incredibly risky but yes, that is one way.

begsbyOnaTrain

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

they probably planned working illegally. There's not a lot the Governments can do about that.

When they try to, the usual types scream bloody murder - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/27/immigration-raid-on-byron-hamburgers-rounds-up-30-workers

SEPT 23 1989

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Roundabout way and 4 passes through customs/random checks sounds incredibly risky but yes, that is one way.

Less risky than 6

Calais Dover Stranraer Larne Dublin Holyhead

the whole entering Holyhead makes no sense

have they got that right?

Thelonious Monk

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

When they try to, the usual types scream bloody murder - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/27/immigration-raid-on-byron-hamburgers-rounds-up-30-workers

When they try to, they can't possible stop people coming illegally, they'll find a way. And they're going to keep coming and tragedies like this may happen. They're still human.

biko

There is no difference between this and people drowning on the Mediterranean.

You have desperate people wanting to make a better life for themselves in Europe.
You have traffickers offering to ferry them across to the promised land, for money.

You need to disincentivize the traffickers for this to stop.
Or better, disincentivize people from wanting to leave their countries in the first place.

Padraig Mor

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the whole entering Holyhead makes no sense

have they got that right?

I'd say they're damn sure of it. Definitely going to be a Brexit flavoured ****storm. Customs checks on ferries between Ireland and the UK have long been regarded as a joke - this is the punchline.

Sir Oxman

Those poor people.

GLaDOS

Christ what an awful way to go

My sympathy as well for the poor person who discovered it, I imagine that's something that will stay with you for the rest of your days.

Das Reich

Unfortunately a very small amount of people make huge profit on the skin of those people like they did during the transatlantic slave trade. People like Macron and countries like France should be responsible for those tragedies as the poorest countries in the world like Birkina Faso, Mali, Niger are still exploited and can't even print their banknotes.

Esse85

Absolutely horrendous massacre here.

What an awful tragedy.

The people responsible need to be identified and punished with maximum force.

Such a sad loss of life.

Sir Oxman

From BBC updates link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-essex-50152633
"As we know, it is thought that the lorry came from Bulgaria and arrived in Wales, at Holyhead, on Saturday.

Seamus Leheny, Northern Ireland policy manager for the Freight Transport Association, told the Press Association: "If the lorry came from Bulgaria, getting into Britain via Holyhead is an unorthodox route.

"People have been saying that security and checks have been increased at places like Dover and Calais, so it might be seen as an easier way to get in by going from Cherbourg or Roscoff, over to Rosslare, then up the road to Dublin.

"It's a long way around and it'll add an extra day to the journey."

lawred2

Das Reich wrote: »

Unfortunately a very small amount of people make huge profit on the skin of those people like they did during the transatlantic slave trade. People like Macron and countries like France should be responsible for those tragedies as the poorest countries in the world like Birkina Faso, Mali, Niger are still exploited and can't even print their banknotes.

I don't think this is the place for your axe grinding

Have liberal elites been blamed yet?

lawred2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

France Rosslare Dublin Holyhead?

There are easier ways to go get to the UK from mainland Europe surely?

Bob Harris

antix80 wrote: »

Why is it just the lorry driver being arrested? The politicians and authorities are complicit. There would be no demand for illegal ferrying of immigrants if illegals were shipped back rather than being allowed to stay.

lawred2 wrote: »

I don't think this is the place for your axe grinding

Have liberal elites been blamed yet?

It would seem so.

scotchy

Newstalk saying that the truck traveled via Dublin.

Plumbthedepths

lawred2 wrote: »

There are easier ways to go get to the UK from mainland Europe surely?

There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.

jay0109

Could it be Georgians? Using Ireland as an easy route into the UK?
There were a few traffickers arrested a couple of weeks ago in Dublin in relation to people smuggling of Georgians from Ireland to the UK.

Tragic case anyway whoever it was. RIP

Cordell

Liberal elites and old colonial countries that left their colonies in better shape that they were before them were blamed, confirmed.
Also Macron is somehow responsible. Trudeau, anyone?
The trafficking ring starts from their 3rd word home country, there is the source of the problem, no one else is to blame.

Thelonious Monk

The only thing you can always blame for this is poverty and desperation

lawred2

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.

Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?

ohnonotgmail

lawred2 wrote: »

Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?

I dont think we enforce it to the same extent as the british do. The british have teams of officers based in french ports that check trucks before they even get on the ferry.

MrMusician18

Presumably they went that way because checks for people smuggling are much lighter on the Cherbourg/rosslare route and probably non existent on Dublin holyhead.

Usually in these cases the air supply gets blocked someway and the occupants suffocate. In a full size 40ft shipping container, there would only be enough oxygen for about 5 hours for 39 people if it was unventilated.

Plumbthedepths

lawred2 wrote: »

Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?

Random checks but in reality nope. Particularly if the origin is another EU country.

lawred2

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Presumably they went that way because checks for people smuggling are much lighter on the Cherbourg/rosslare route and probably non existent on Dublin holyhead.

Usually in these cases the air supply gets blocked someway and the occupants suffocate. In a shipping container, there would only be enough oxygen for about 2.5 hours for 39 people if it was unventilated.

Realms of speculation here obviously...

Possible that the driver blocked the air supply? Would that be the justification for a murder charge?

suicide_circus

has it been established that they came through ireland?

Padraig Mor

suicide_circus wrote: »

has it been established that they came through ireland?

Unless it was a floating truck, it looks a dead cert.

1641

People will always flee desperate situations looking for a better life - controls and checks notwithstanding.
When the US Congress tried to control the influx of desperate Irish fleeing the Famine in 1846 it resulted in people taking to more dangerous (and illegal) methods of reaching North America. Tens of thousands died in the coffin ships: https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html.

History repeats itself in tragedy.

suicide_circus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Unless it was a floating truck, it looks a dead cert.

yes it looks like Dublin is the only port that does business with Holygead

Sir Oxman

Very possible driver simply picked up sealed trailer at port and is completely innocent

Kidchameleon

Very sad way to go out for sure but these people knew they were taking a risk and it didnt work out for them. Had they made it to their destination they would also have been a burden on the tax payer. The best way to prevent these things happening is to make it not worth their while ie. If they are found to be illigal, send them straight back to where they came from. Give them the most basic accomodation and food rations whilst they are in custody and in the long run, fix the problems they are running from

Pasamos

Horrible tragedy but this could be avoided if they applied to live and work in the UK legally.

Hector Savage

Arrested for murder ?
What the hell happened ?
Surely he was just driving illegal immigrants, I mean manslaughter at the most.

derrymcorry

I'm confused.

Did this Irish guy murder 39 people and put them in the back of his lorry or where they migrants?

Is there any evidence a crime was committed in Ireland (when I say Ireland I include the Six Counties occupied by the Brits)?

Hector Savage

This is a terrible tragedy, but it seems they want to put all the blame on the driver - shift blame away from the whole human trafficking mafia and the politicians that endorse it...

SEPT 23 1989

thats a fridge unit

they are left running on crossings

could have been one of the crew plugging it in by mistake and freezing them to death