Cars and their acceptance

Irishcrx · 25-10-2019 12:49PM

God I love cars - love them , have three of them at home and wouldn't part with any of them.

Love the community , the spirit , the car shows in the summer and I find driving the most relaxing thing the do in the world , can literally feel the pressure lifting off my shoulders when I get a clear drive...

Cars are not the issue - Idiots and selfish morons driving cars are the issue.

DelBoy Trotter · 25-10-2019 12:49PM

sunny2004 wrote: »

A thread with those without cars complaining about those with cars.

Surprised that the usual poster who turns every thread he enters into a bicycles = brilliant, cars = killing machines debate hasn't arrived yet

Ray Palmer · 25-10-2019 12:54PM

Wibbs wrote: »

:pac:

Generally speaking the more powerful the car the less stress it is to drive at any speed and the safer it is to overtake. This tends to mean it'll fly through the top speed limit.

As for smaller home closer to work, versus larger home further away; It's not just about the commute. Are you married, do you have kids? I'm betting not, because your arguments sound like those of a single person. An urban flat is fine for a singleton, not so fine for a family. Certainly not until Irish architects and builders design proper family focussed apartments like they do on the continent.

Like all crusaders there's a hint of a reality that would be worth changing there, but the altitude sickness from their high horses starves their argument of oxygen and tends to make people they're trying to convert switch off.

So your defence of cars being able to go faster than the speed limit is that is means you can easily break the speed limit! Precisely the kind of selfishness that kills people and where you would be very remorseful after you kill somebody.

I am not single and live in a 3 bed semi so your assumptions about me and claim I am on a crusade shows you aren't listening.

It is the close minded assumptions by people like you who refuse to listen that closes debate. So far it has been claimed I want to ban cars and that I am telling people where to live. Not true but you are assuming such things about me.

maccored · 25-10-2019 12:55PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Naive? Explain why my work colleague is driving the same distance taking 3 times as long as me by choosing to drive.

You are talking about exceptions as if that is the majority of people when it clearly isn't.

If it is a niche job then it doesn't apply to the majority. If they aren't in the city centre then they don't have to drive in the city. Transport goes out of the city too.

The majority of journeys in cars in dublin are not necessary. To point out exceptions doesn't change that.

It will change and be more expensive to own and use a car. It just can't continue as is.

The poster on this thread you were debating with isnt your work colleague, and doesnt work in Dublin (i would assume). Ive no idea why you've suddenly changed tack.

Ray Palmer · 25-10-2019 12:56PM

kceire wrote: »

What allowances?

Read the first post the allowances are numbered.

guyfo · 25-10-2019 01:12PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Yeah because there are so many cars in Ireland that go to race track and travel to Germany. If you are speeding on public roads here for pleasure then you should be stopped from driving. Putting others at risk for your pleasure isn't justifiable. You are precisely the kind of person who should have a restricted car.

Public transport and other alternatives are slow precisely because of car use. They park, drive,use and stop in bus lanes. Nothing bizarre in saying the reliance on cars is wasteful.

Again you are making it sound like I suggest banning cars which I am not. Enjoy driving all you like but don't expect all the allowances that are currently there to remain.

Wow... You really are off your head. I don't remember getting personal or stating I speed on public roads...

I happen to work at a race track, have my own competition car and believe in the FIA stance of "keep the race in its place". Kindly get off your high horse, remove the saddle from your bike, then sit down and swivel.

As you clearly don't understand cars let me explain.... A speced up performance car is in general going to be much more enjoyable to drive than your entry level supermini to drive at any speed.

Cars are made to a European standard, not an Irish standard, last time I checked Germany is in the EU and anyone in Europe has the right to drive there if they wish.

Not everyone will take their car to a track day.... So what? Under your argument the very bikes you are getting a hard on for should be banned too as the world speed record for a push bike is 296kmh. Just because it's possible doesn't mean you have to do it nor does it mean you have to ban others doing so either.

"They park, drive,use and stop in bus lanes"
I think you'll find all of the above is actually illegal so your issue is with asshats that break the rules of the road, not cars.

Thanks to the wonderful way our cities are constructed cars have remained essential. If Dublin built up instead of continually expanding out we would have the population density and need for proper public transport. As of now if you are one of the minority if Irish people that actually work in a city then unless you can afford (not choose) to live near the center you're going to need a car.

Thelonious Monk · 25-10-2019 01:13PM

People who work in cities are a minority?

maccored · 25-10-2019 01:22PM

I dont understand how the government think widening the N7 for example, is going to reduce the amount of cars travelling to dublin. Bigger roads = more cars (induced demand). More cars goign to dublin equals more traffic chaos.

instead, why haven't they spent the money making a more efficient train and transport system?

blackbox · 25-10-2019 01:33PM

Cycling can be OK, but public transport is mostly disgusting.

Graces7 · 25-10-2019 01:34PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also what is a hairshirt?

With a user name like "monk"....

A hair shirt was an extreme form of self inflicted penitential suffering indulged in by extreme religious folk eg MONKS . Like fasting only a hundred times more painful. Hair worn next to the skin... ouch... supposed to make you more virtuous and holy...

So they are trying to say that doing without a car is a form of wilfully inflicted suffering... to appear more virtuous...Maybe it would be to them!

whisky_galore · 25-10-2019 01:41PM

Graces7 wrote: »

With a user name like "monk"....

A hair shirt was an extreme form of self inflicted penitential suffering indulged in by extreme religious folk eg MONKS . Like fasting only a hundred times more painful. Hair worn next to the skin... ouch... supposed to make you more virtuous and holy...

So they are trying to say that doing without a car is a form of wilfully inflicted suffering... to appear more virtuous...Maybe it would be to them!

He was a jazz musician, not an actual monk.

You're welcome.

Wibbs · 25-10-2019 01:48PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So your defence of cars being able to go faster than the speed limit is that is means you can easily break the speed limit! Precisely the kind of selfishness that kills people and where you would be very remorseful after you kill somebody.

I dunno how you can cycle safely with those blinkers you appear to be wearing. Maybe rather than read into things what you want to try reading what somebody writes. What I wrote was Generally speaking the more powerful the car the less stress it is to drive at any speed and the safer it is to overtake. This tends to mean it'll fly through the top speed limit. How the holy hell you gleaned "cars being able to go faster than the speed limit is that is means you can easily break the speed limit!" from that. Oh wait, I can, you're on a crusade.

I am not single and live in a 3 bed semi so your assumptions about me and claim I am on a crusade shows you aren't listening.

If you live in a three bed semi close enough to the city that you can commute by bicycle then you either bought well and low, or have a job that covers the cost of such a dwelling, because last time I looked three bed semis in Dublin's suburbia were big money and out of the reach for most looking to currently buy.

It is the close minded assumptions by people like you who refuse to listen that closes debate.

The irony. The lack of self awareness in your argument is amusing.

So far it has been claimed I want to ban cars and that I am telling people where to live. Not true but you are assuming such things about me.

Again reading what you want to read. Please point out where I said you wanted to ban cars. Just one example would suffice.

Fr_Dougal · 25-10-2019 01:50PM

If there were less cycle lanes there’d be more room for cars.

Why don’t cyclists pay road tax?

whisky_galore · 25-10-2019 01:52PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If there were less cycle lanes there’d be more room for cars.

Why don’t cyclists pay road tax?

Because it's motor tax and a bicycle doesn't have an engine.

maccored · 25-10-2019 01:53PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Because it's motor tax and a bicycle doesn't have an engine.

To be fair, cyclists who own cars already do

Standman · 25-10-2019 01:53PM

Get a horse!

nelly17 · 25-10-2019 01:58PM

Actually one of the most wasteful elements of the car is the combustion engine itself apparently 70% of the energy created through internal combustion is lost through heat

Fr_Dougal · 25-10-2019 02:00PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Because it's motor tax and a bicycle doesn't have an engine.

That wasn’t my question. My question is why don’t they pay road tax?

Can expect to have top class cycle lanes without contributing towards them. They sponge off motorists.

whisky_galore · 25-10-2019 02:02PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That wasn’t my question. My question is why don’t they pay road tax?

Can expect to have top class cycle lanes without contributing towards them. They sponge off motorists.

Should pedestrians pay foot tax for footpaths?

El Tarangu · 25-10-2019 02:05PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Why don’t cyclists pay road tax?

Because it was abolished in the 1930s.

Thelonious Monk · 25-10-2019 02:05PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That wasn’t my question. My question is why don’t they pay road tax?

Can expect to have top class cycle lanes without contributing towards them. They sponge off motorists.

Roads are built from general taxation

guyfo · 25-10-2019 02:12PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Should pedestrians pay foot tax for footpaths?

Pedestrians aren't going around shouting about "being road users too" while refusing to learn the rules of the road, getting insurance or even putting a numberplate on their bikes to hold them accountable for anything they might do... That is just the tip of the iceberg too, the hypocrisy boggles the mind.

El Tarangu · 25-10-2019 02:14PM

It's mad how normalised car culture is in our society.

Like, if 149 people were killed last year by any other sector or activity, there would be an outcry, and calls for a moratorium to be placed on the activity until it was made safer. But because cars are involved, people just hold up their hands, and continue as before.

Same for AA bulletins on Morning Ireland (and indeed, I think they are on almost every major radio station in the mornings) - it's like the equivalent of giving Siptu (or IBEC) a few minutes four times an hour to give a completely unopposed view on the state of labour relations.

Thelonious Monk · 25-10-2019 02:15PM

guyfo wrote: »

Pedestrians aren't going around shouting about "being road users too" while refusing to learn the rules of the road, getting insurance or even putting a numberplate on their bikes to hold them accountable for anything they might do... That is just the tip of the iceberg too, the hypocrisy boggles the mind.

They walk in and out of moving traffic and ignore lights and often get killed by motorists. Should they have to pass a test and have insurance to go outside?

biko · 25-10-2019 02:17PM

El Tarangu wrote: »

Because it was abolished in the 1930s.

1937 in fact

whisky_galore · 25-10-2019 02:18PM

guyfo wrote: »

Pedestrians aren't going around shouting about "being road users too" while refusing to learn the rules of the road, getting insurance or even putting a numberplate on their bikes to hold them accountable for anything they might do... That is just the tip of the iceberg too, the hypocrisy boggles the mind.

So much anger, have a lie down for yourself.

guyfo · 25-10-2019 02:21PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

So much anger, have a lie down for yourself.

Lol, the reply of someone who knows they can't argue against facts.

whisky_galore · 25-10-2019 02:22PM

guyfo wrote: »

Lol, the reply of someone who knows they can't argue against facts.

I couldn't care less about arguing with the likes of you.

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-10-2019 02:23PM

El Tarangu wrote: »

It's mad how normalised car culture is in our society.

Like, if 149 people were killed last year by any other sector or activity, there would be an outcry, and calls for a moratorium to be placed on the activity until it was made safer. But because cars are involved, people just hold up their hands, and continue as before.

Same for AA bulletins on Morning Ireland (and indeed, I think they are on almost every major radio station in the mornings) - it's like the equivalent of giving Siptu (or IBEC) a few minutes four times an hour to give a completely unopposed view on the state of labour relations.

What should we do instead?

guyfo · 25-10-2019 02:24PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

I couldn't care less about arguing with the likes of you.

Yup... that's why your still here.... posting your little snide remarks rather than contributing

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