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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #8462
    derrymcorry
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭derrymcorry


    One thing is clear:

    A border poll MUST be held before the year is out.

    Let Ireland reunify and GB to go their own way out of the EU.


  • #8463
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    At least Boris got a win in Parliament. Shame the one he wanted to win he lost by 14. So even if the DUP had voted with Boris they’d still have lost but by 4 votes.

    They voted no, there's 10 of them. With them voting yes it should have been 318 to 312 in favour.
    Quick math!


  • #8464
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    is_that_so wrote: »
    He's got his deal vote. Game and set to Boris.

    Not really, amendments will be piled on now more than likely, and I guess that's a motive for some to have voted for it.


  • #8465
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    is_that_so wrote: »
    He's got his deal vote. Game and set to Boris.

    Major Victory for Boris Johnson and you can see he is cock a hoop about it

    He has done what May couldn't and others said he never would

    He will get it through after a few week I would say with some amendments

    Corbyn has played it all so badly

    Almost as bad as the DUP


  • #8466
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    He got a vote to move a bill onto the next stage of the parliamentary process. That happens to every bill that goes through the House of Commons.
    It's his first! In the context of the larger picture of British politics that's a good win.


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  • #8467
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Major Victory for Boris Johnson and you can see he is cock a hoop about it

    He has done what May couldn't and others said he never would

    He will get it through after a few week I would say with some amendments

    Corbyn has played it all so badly

    Almost as bad as the DUP

    That depends on what the amendments are!


  • #8468
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Not really, amendments will be piled on now more than likely, and I guess that's a motive for some to have voted for it.
    They will come but Corbyn has all but accepted they'll eventually vote for it.


  • #8469
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Jesus the DUP are sounding constructive. What the hell has happened ?


  • #8470
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    That depends on what the amendments are!

    Will amendments have to be approved by the EU?
    I guess it depends on what they might be.


  • #8471
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's his first! In the context of the larger picture of British politics that's a good win.

    It's not though...


    Really


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  • #8472
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    That depends on what the amendments are!

    there is no stomach in HoC to let it slide or go for no deal


  • #8473
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Jesus the DUP are sounding constructive. What the hell has happened ?

    Throwing a tantrum is constructive?


  • #8474
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    tuxy wrote: »
    Will amendments have to be approved by the EU?
    I guess it depends on what they might be.

    Exactly. Any amendments won't be equal to what the EU agreed to.


  • #8475
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    "One way or another the country will leave with this deal"

    Boris Johnson very happy parliament has endorsed the principle of his deal.


  • #8476
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    tuxy wrote: »
    Throwing a tantrum is constructive?

    Look little acorns.


  • #8477
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    listermint wrote: »
    It's not though...


    Really
    For people both than Boris no, but for him it is. He's performed well politically since the EU accepted negotiations on the deal.


  • #8478
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Exactly. Any amendments won't be equal to what the EU agreed to.

    Again EU wil accept amendments as long they are not about a border in NI I would say

    They also want it done


    This whole process is not about what is right , what is best for the country

    Its about the end game and MPs keeping their seats and everyone being winners


  • #8479
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    is_that_so wrote: »
    For people both than Boris no, but for him it is. He's performed well politically since the EU accepted negotiations on the deal.

    Where's all this revisionism coming from!

    Just perplexing.


  • #8480
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Exactly. Any amendments won't be equal to what the EU agreed to.

    If an amendment is for the deal to go to a referendum, the EU wouldn't stop that

    But the whole thing would fall in the HoC anyway! Which means the amendment wouldn't pass in the first place

    Who knows what else they'll come up with.
    Could an amendment potentially be to not have the final vote until after an election?
    EU wouldn't object to that either but would have a chance....I think :confused:


  • #8481
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Again EU wil accept amendments as long they are not about a border in NI I would say

    They also want it done


    This whole process is not about what is right , what is best for the country

    Its about the end game and MPs keeping their seats and everyone being winners

    What's best for the country is nothing what the Tories are offering though...


    And no one's Winning anything. Well short of the millionaire backers of the ERG and Johnson.


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  • #8482
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,051 ✭✭✭✭briany


    derrymcorry wrote: »
    One thing is clear:

    A border poll MUST be held before the year is out.

    Let Ireland reunify and GB to go their own way out of the EU.

    A) That's not how the border poll is supposed to work. It's supposed to be called at a time when it's fairly clear that a majority in the North would want unification. It's not a mechanism to allow the UK to exit the EU smoothly.

    B) Things up north are a bit politically charged at the moment. I don't think this would be the best backdrop for a border poll.

    C) Brexit was brought about without hardly a thought given to NI and the peace process. There is no easy answer to the questions being posed to the Brexit movement. They made their bed. Now they must lie in it.


  • #8483
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I suspect Johnson will tell EU leaders he only needs a short technical extension to get the deal through (a couple of weeks).


  • #8484
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    "One way or another the country will leave with this deal"

    Boris Johnson very happy parliament has endorsed the principle of his deal.

    Boris Johnson very happy lying once more, more like.

    All it means is that the bill goes to the next stage where it can be amended and some of the amendments may make the deal incompatible with anything that the EU would accept so therefore they wouldn't leave with his deal.

    Also you'll note that there is something missing in relation to when this is going to happen, he has no idea anymore because it's out of his hands, despite everything which he has said in the past, again he's been caught spoofing and making promises he cannot keep.

    He's a proven liar and cannot be trusted. He said he was going to pull the bill as well if they lost but he only paused it.


  • #8485
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,051 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I suspect Johnson will tell EU leaders he only needs a short technical extension to get the deal through (a couple of weeks).

    Funny, that sounds awfully like he'd be negotiating an extension, which he made it clear he wouldn't do. Besides, I thought the Benn act stipulated that a 3 month extension should be automatically accepted?


  • #8486
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    If an amendment is for the deal to go to a referendum, the EU wouldn't stop that

    But the whole thing would fall in the HoC anyway! Which means the amendment wouldn't pass in the first place

    Who knows what else they'll come up with.
    Could an amendment potentially be to not have the final vote until after an election?
    EU wouldn't object to that either but would have a chance....I think :confused:

    The DUP will want a change in the Irish Sea border
    Greens & Lib Dems will want a new ref
    Labour will want in the costumes Union...maybe DUP will vote with them on this and SNP
    Most will want guaranteed alignment with EU worker rights
    Freedom of movement may be an option


  • #8487
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    tuxy wrote: »
    Will amendments have to be approved by the EU?
    I guess it depends on what they might be.

    They would be amendments to the WAB, not necessarily the WA.

    Domestic legislation and it's amendments are of no issue to the EU so long as the WA is adhered to.


  • #8488
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Jesus just delay it until January(I know) and have a bloody general election and maybe(big ask) get a government with something like a majority however small.


  • #8489
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Queen Speech debate (aka Election show) is back tomorrow and Thursday, much to the amusement of a few people in the background.


  • #8490
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    The DUP will want a change in the Irish Sea border
    Greens & Lib Dems will want a new ref
    Labour will want in the costumes Union...maybe DUP will vote with them on this and SNP
    Most will want guaranteed alignment with EU worker rights
    Freedom of movement may be an option

    The only way of sorting all that out is an election.

    Then again....it could very well return a parliament just as divided as the one they have now!

    I think Johnson will seek a 1 month extension firstly - With Bercow standing down in 9-days! :rolleyes:


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  • #8491
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    That pro johnson guy on sky is rather annoying. He's put pressure on the EU, he says, as if some kind of victory. What pressure on the EU? They can still do what they like.


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