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s7ryf3925pivug · 17-10-2019 01:18PM

Lots of stuff written about this, lots of strong opinions, but I can't find a summary of what the deal actually is.

biko · 17-10-2019 01:28PM

https://twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/1184764705384124416

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2019 01:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Poor DUP

https://twitter.com/NewtonEmerson/status/1184750696513622022

I know. Who'd have thought that the party with a history of screwing over Northern Ireland would screw over Northern Ireland.

PostWoke · 17-10-2019 01:35PM

So what does this deal mean? Open border I hope?

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2019 01:40PM

PostWoke wrote: »

So what does this deal mean? Open border I hope?

The same as Theresa May's one. A border in the Irish Sea, NI in the CU/SM and the DUP sulking on the sidelines as the world moves on yet again without them.

Give them a few months and they will be playing ball as they did with the Anglo Irish Agreement and the GFA.

SeaBreezes · 17-10-2019 01:44PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well done Boris, knew you were a much better leader than your predecessor.

Mays Deal was better for the UK?

Danzy · 17-10-2019 01:46PM

From the looks of it so far, the deal looks like a good option for them.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 02:13PM

I'm eagerly awaiting crypto, and his cries of EU CAPITULATION!!! His acolytes have already pitched in with their Up is Down, Black is White nonsense. And by CHRIST I'm looking forward to seeing the DUP get focked over.

RobMc59 · 17-10-2019 02:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The same as Theresa May's one. A border in the Irish Sea, NI in the CU/SM and the DUP sulking on the sidelines as the world moves on yet again without them.

Give them a few months and they will be playing ball as they did with the Anglo Irish Agreement and the GFA.

I believe in the Union and was sceptical about criticism of them but have come to learn not to take much notice of the DUP,their latest statement that this deal rides a coach and horses through the GFA and they can't support it is jaw dropping..

Kidchameleon · 17-10-2019 02:35PM

I dont think it will get past the commons, UK will leave on 31st on wto terms. Surrender/Benn act not worth the paper its printed on. UK will prosper in a couple of years then more will follow. Bye bye EU

*commons may ratify, either way, they are leaving on 31st. Democracy has prevailed. This is what decent leadership is about. Teresa May was too weak

ohnonotgmail · 17-10-2019 02:37PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I dont think it will get past the commons, UK will leave on 31st on wto terms. Surrender/Benn act not worth the paper its printed on. UK will prosper in a couple of years then more will follow. Bye bye EU

If it doesnt get passed the commons then JOhnson will be obliged to seek an extension. to think otherwise is to ignore reality.

tigger123 · 17-10-2019 02:45PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I dont think it will get past the commons, UK will leave on 31st on wto terms. Surrender/Benn act not worth the paper its printed on. UK will prosper in a couple of years then more will follow. Bye bye EU

*commons may ratify, either way, they are leaving on 31st. Democracy has prevailed. This is what decent leadership is about. Teresa May was too weak

How is the Benn Act not worth the paper its written on?

ToddyDoody · 17-10-2019 02:45PM

What are the chances of getting it passed does anyone know.

Remember, this is Boris Johnson's deal. The only one who'd go harder on the terms would be Farage himself.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2019 02:52PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

What are the chances of getting it passed does anyone know.

Remember, this is Boris Johnson's deal. The only one who'd go harder on the terms would be Farage himself.

It's down to how many Lab defectors he can get and assuming he has all the ERG on board as well.

Nothing sure about it.

Odhinn · 17-10-2019 03:00PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I know. Who'd have thought that the party with a history of screwing over Northern Ireland would screw over Northern Ireland.

'DUP in "No!!!" shocker'

Boris could perhaps suprise us all and get it past the commons, shafting the DUP.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 03:00PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If it doesnt get passed the commons then JOhnson will be obliged to seek an extension. to think otherwise is to ignore reality.

I rather think you've hit on it there with those last three words.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 03:01PM

I'm amused at those who have somehow contrived to see this as all Varadker's (sic) fault.

Odhinn · 17-10-2019 03:03PM

davedanon wrote: »

I'm amused at those who have somehow contrived to see this as all Varadker's (sic) fault.

Much as I despise him and the blueshirts, the blame lies elsewhere.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 03:11PM

That civil-war politics stuff needs to be ditched. When I hear the word 'blueshirt' I stop listening. and I'm not an FG supporter.

McMurphy · 17-10-2019 03:14PM

Juncker basically telling England to sh1t or get off the pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrih0lqXVRQ

Kidchameleon · 17-10-2019 03:30PM

tigger123 wrote: »

How is the Benn Act not worth the paper its written on?

There are ways around it, apparently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-eu-law-benn-act-latest-today-deal-boris-johnson-a9154701.html

Johnsons rhetoric these past few weeks would suggest he is not worried about it either. And yes, before you say it, I know his government has confirmed they will send a letter if needed.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 03:32PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are ways around it, apparently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-eu-law-benn-act-latest-today-deal-boris-johnson-a9154701.html

Johnsons rhetoric these past few weeks would suggest he is not worried about it either. And yes, before you say it, I know his government has confirmed they will send a letter if needed.

According to JRM? If you believe him, or Johnson, I have a bridge you may be interested in purchasing.

davedanon · 17-10-2019 03:34PM

Every single cunning wheeze they have dreamt up to bypass the Benn Act has been shot down in flames by people who actually know stuff about constitutional law.

suicide_circus · 17-10-2019 03:35PM

fair play to the negotiating teams for agreeing a solution to the backstop, i never thought they'd get past that tbh. However, there will never be an acceptable deal to Corbyn, the Lib Dems etc since they just dont want to leave the EU. Johnson could win an absolutely insane deal that would shower cash on the british people and they'd still oppose it.

FunLover18 · 17-10-2019 03:35PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are ways around it, apparently.

And there were technological solutions to the border.

That article doesn't make anything apparent at all.

26000 Elephants · 17-10-2019 04:03PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

And there were technological solutions to the border.

That article doesn't make anything apparent at all.

I'm sure if you let JRM lie down long enough he could dream up quite a few. But most of them would involve him dressed as a Viking, waving a sword around so I wouldn't hold my breath.

ohnonotgmail · 17-10-2019 04:19PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

fair play to the negotiating teams for agreeing a solution to the backstop, i never thought they'd get past that tbh. However, there will never be an acceptable deal to Corbyn, the Lib Dems etc since they just dont want to leave the EU. Johnson could win an absolutely insane deal that would shower cash on the british people and they'd still oppose it.

whatever about the lib dems Corbyn is not a fan of the eu and has no problem leaving it.

gmisk · 17-10-2019 04:21PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

They'll, Never!

Never!

Never!

Never!

Never!

Never!

Never......

Be getting back together!!
Ohhhhh

bnt · 17-10-2019 04:26PM

By having the (partial) customs border in the Irish Sea, rather than on land, isn't that a good thing for the prospects of a 32-county reunion? Neither Westminster nor Brussels were ever going to propose a deal that would keep the DUP happy, so the deal will have to get through Parliament without them. Any chance of reversing Brexit is gone: it's happening, and any MPs who think a No vote from them will change that are deluding themselves.

AllGunsBlazing · 17-10-2019 04:32PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

whatever about the lib dems Corbyn is not a fan of the eu and has no problem leaving it.

Was calling for Article 50 to be invoked the morning of the referendum result on BBC television. Couldn't contain himself.

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