!!!!!!!!! Paula's World Record Gone !!!!!!!!

KSU · 13-10-2019 3:45pm #1

Brigid Kosgei 2.14.03

Came through half way 1min 3 sec up on the world record (66.59) and powered on.

Over 4 min off her PB. Coming off here 1:04:28 WB in Half a few weeks previously

jamule · 13-10-2019 3:46pm

gone, destroyed.

nannerby · 13-10-2019 3:47pm

Smashed it what a run.

walshb · 13-10-2019 3:47pm

Ha.....

How could I have ever suggested that her record was beatable...

Insect Overlord · 13-10-2019 3:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Ha.....

How could I have ever suggested that her record was beatable...

Grow up.

rovers_runner · 13-10-2019 3:49pm

Delighted, Cram sick as a parrot.
Mo had his arse handed to him too, he should quit now and lie low.

walshb · 13-10-2019 3:50pm

Just saying...I was right all along...

Vindication......

KSU · 13-10-2019 3:52pm

Rumours are there was a text from Betsy Andreu to congratulate her

walshb · 13-10-2019 3:57pm

Paula should be delighted here, as it proves to her that what she did was proper...vindication for her....

KSU · 13-10-2019 3:59pm

Fionualla with a big PB 2.26.47 for 5th

gavinoontheweb · 13-10-2019 4:00pm

Fionnuala Top 5, 2:26 PB and Tokyo Qualifier. Good days work, Irish sports performer of the year for me between Chicago, Boston and Aarhus she is in a league of her own.

13-10-2019 4:03pm

KSU wrote: »

Fionualla with a big PB 2.26.47 for 5th

Moves to second on the Irish all-time list, only Catherina McKiernan (2:22:23) ahead of her, great performance

KSU · 13-10-2019 4:13pm

28064212 wrote: »

Moves to second on the Irish all-time list, only Catherina McKiernan (2:22:23) ahead of her, great performance

Great to see 2 active Irishwomen sub 2.27 this year (even if they both aren't competing for us)

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:14pm

So, will this run receive same level of scrutiny, derision and shock as Paula’s?

Kosgei’s agent is an interesting character...

KSU · 13-10-2019 4:20pm

walshb wrote: »

So, will this run receive same level of scrutiny, derision and shock as Paula’s?

Kosgei’s agent is an interesting character...

More than likely given her rapid progression but with a little less hypocricy I would imagine.

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:26pm

KSU wrote: »

More than likely given her rapid progression but with a little less hypocricy I would imagine.

Well, we’ll see how many here who are so clearly anti Mo and Paula come out to ridicule this run...

Kosgei was also wearing these Nike footwear, expected to give 60-90 seconds improvement over the course of a marathon...

These athletes need to get these bad boys!

KSU · 13-10-2019 4:40pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, we’ll see how many here who are so clearly anti Mo and Paula come out to ridicule this run...

There will be plenty given the connection to Jemima Sumgong & Rita Jeptoo via Dr Rosa. Though as I said before the issue most had is the hypocrisy and lies.

The holier than though defence with threats of lawsuits and trying to shut down anyone who calls them out while at the same time calling others out (Salazar saying you need to be on EPO to be top 5 in the world followed by producing a conveyor belt of world class athletes, Farah playing the race card to shut down the media, Paula with her "EPO out" sign while threatening lawsuits and refusing to release blood results for transparency of abnormal readings)

rovers_runner · 13-10-2019 4:40pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, we’ll see how many here who are so clearly anti Mo and Paula come out to ridicule this run...

They are all as bad as each other.
Now that someone has matched Radcliffe time wise she has to be tarred with the same brush as they do.
Be interesting to see the establishment i.e. The BBC clique have to analyse this one...

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:43pm

KSU wrote: »

There will be plenty given the connection to Jemima Sumgong & Rita Jeptoo via Dr Rosa. Though as I said before the issue most had is the hypocrisy and lies.

The holier than though defence with threats of lawsuits and trying to shut down anyone who calls them out while at the same time calling others out (Salazar saying you need to be on EPO to be top 5 in the world followed by producing a conveyor belt of world class athletes, Farah playing the race card to shut down the media, Paula with her "EPO out" sign while threatening lawsuits and refusing to release blood results for transparency of abnormal readings)

Eh, if someone was sullying my name I too would sue.

Wouldn’t you?

We are entitled to our good name. Unless there is actual proof, of course she should sue anyone slandering/libelling her..

We’ll wait to see the OTT condemnation here...

KSU · 13-10-2019 4:51pm

walshb wrote: »

Eh, if someone was sullying my name I too would sue.

Wouldn’t you?

We are entitled to our good name. Unless there is actual proof, of course she should sue anyone slandering/libelling her..

We’ll wait to see the OTT condemnation here...

Except it wasn't libel because they were her results being referred to despite them not naming her she was the one who confirmed this.

She then explained away the offscores without providing evidence.

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:56pm

I have read up on the ‘blood doping’ case..

She stood her ground and threatened to sue IF she felt that her reputation was going to be damaged. Nothing more. And a natural reaction for any person in that position..

Btw, her off scores were not at all illegal. And they can be explained..

KSU · 13-10-2019 4:59pm

walshb wrote: »

I have read up on the blood doping case..

She stood her ground and threatened to sue IF she felt that her reputation was going to be damaged. Nothing more. And a natural reaction for any person in that position..

Not getting into this so with you I will leave you with her own words

“You print it and I sue you [and] you won’t be getting any money back in future like Lance Armstrong, I promise you that.”

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:59pm

KSU wrote: »

Not getting into this so I will leave you with her own words

And fair play to her!

pconn062 · 13-10-2019 5:03pm

Anyone know who Kosgei's agent is?

This guy: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-367978237

Italian sports agent Federico Rosa, who managed disgraced former Kenyan Olympic athlete Rita Jeptoo, has been charged in Kenya with doping offences.

Sinbad_NI · 13-10-2019 5:04pm

And she wasn't even out of breath when she crossed the line... yeah amazing eh... just like Ayana's 10k WR :-(

walshb · 13-10-2019 5:08pm

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

And she wasn't even out of breath when she crossed the line... yeah amazing eh... just like Ayana's 10k WR :-(

Kipchoge yesterday looked like he could run another marathon straight away. I have never seen a person look so “fresh” after 26 mikes, hence my not really caring as much...

Rashers Big Log · 13-10-2019 6:25pm

PAULA GOES HOME DEVASTATED!!!!

May we never have to hear her hypocritical name again. Dustbin of history.

average_runner · 13-10-2019 8:34pm

I suggested in one of my other posts she could break it. Pity about the company she keeps, alot of questions

walshb · 13-10-2019 9:05pm

Fair play to Paula. She was there to greet and congratulate the new record holder...

YFlyer · 14-10-2019 12:22am

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

And she wasn't even out of breath when she crossed the line... yeah amazing eh... just like Ayana's 10k WR :-(

She is running slower than tempo pace. It is not an 800m race.

YFlyer · 14-10-2019 12:26am

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

PAULA GOES HOME DEVASTATED!!!!

May we never have to hear her hypocritical name again. Dustbin of history.

How come? Paula had the advantage almost as similar to Kipchoge yesterday.

YFlyer · 14-10-2019 12:30am

walshb wrote: »

Fair play to Paula. She was there to greet and congratulate the new record holder...

Yes they all acknowledge records can be broken. Johnson was in awe when Bolt beat his 200m record. However Cram was not so much when Mo beat his 1500m British record.

YFlyer · 14-10-2019 12:36am

walshb wrote: »

Kipchoge yesterday looked like he could run another marathon straight away. I have never seen a person look so “fresh” after 26 mikes, hence my not really caring as much...

Why so walsh? He is going slightly slower than tempo pace (close to 10 mile race pace). If you keep lactate levels close to 4mmol/L you will run fast yet control.

walshb · 14-10-2019 7:02am

YFlyer wrote: »

Why so walsh? He is going slightly slower than tempo pace (close to 10 mile race pace). If you keep lactate levels close to 4mmol/L you will run fast yet control.

Agreed..

dna_leri · 14-10-2019 8:59am

Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?

KSU · 14-10-2019 9:07am

dna_leri wrote: »

Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?

Beats Paula WR from 03 but the women’s only one still stands at 2.17 by Mary Keitany. Would imagine London will be target to take that one down especially given pacers peeled off a lot earlier than they did with Paula In Chicago

14-10-2019 9:13am

dna_leri wrote: »

Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?

IAAF recognise two sets of records for women:

Mx: mixed gender race
Wo: women only race

Mary Keitany still holds the women only record at 2:17:01

Chivito550 · 14-10-2019 10:24am

28064212 wrote: »

Moves to second on the Irish all-time list, only Catherina McKiernan (2:22:23) ahead of her, great performance

And the elephant in the room which is conveniently forgotten by some. Sinead Diver is 2 and a half minutes ahead of her.

That's a splendid performance by Fionnuala. Always felt 2:26 was there for her but she had disappointed in previous attempts at non championship marathons. She has now lived up to her potential over the distance. I wonder is a top 10 in Tokyo a genuine possibility.

14-10-2019 10:40am

Chivito550 wrote: »

And the elephant in the room which is conveniently forgotten by some. Sinead Diver is 2 and a half minutes ahead of her.

Not forgotten, just not relevant except in a "what if" discussion

Chivito550 wrote: »

That's a splendid performance by Fionnuala. Always felt 2:26 was there for her but she had disappointed in previous attempts at non championship marathons. She has now lived up to her potential over the distance. I wonder is a top 10 in Tokyo a genuine possibility.

Yes, looks like a very realistic goal now, great to see

Chivito550 · 14-10-2019 10:45am

28064212 wrote: »

Not forgotten, just not relevant except in a "what if" discussionYes, looks like a very realistic goal now, great to see

Depends how it's phrased. Seeing a lot of people say that she's now the second fastest Irishwoman in history, which is not true. Sinead Diver is an Irish citizen.

Second on the Irish all-time list is definitely a better way to phrase it (which is how you put it I acknowledge).

average_runner · 14-10-2019 10:49am

Chivito550 wrote: »

Depends how it's phrased. Seeing a lot of people say that she's now the second fastest Irishwoman in history, which is not true. Sinead Diver is an Irish citizen.

Second on the Irish all-time list is definitely a better way to phrase it (which is how you put it I acknowledge).

Imagine if we get two irish girls in the top 10 at Tokyo. That be some achievement.

average_runner · 14-10-2019 10:50am

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

And she wasn't even out of breath when she crossed the line... yeah amazing eh... just like Ayana's 10k WR :-(

Her marathon PB in 2015 was 2:47 and 2016 her half PB was 1:14.

Some improvement but you know she will get busted somewhere down the line

Chivito550 · 14-10-2019 10:52am

average_runner wrote: »

Imagine if we get two irish girls in the top 10 at Tokyo. That be some achievement.

It could well happen.

Conditions will be as rough as they come. As bad as Doha with the heat and humidity, and then throw in direct sunlight for good measure.

Diver mentioned possibly having to go somewhere leading into it to prepare for the warm conditions, as the Melbourne winter isn't going to be good preparation. Definitely tricky when you are in winter preparing for it.

yerwanthere123 · 14-10-2019 3:09pm

Wow, shocked to see Paula's world record go, I wasn't expecting it to happen in Chicago. I hadn't heard anything about a possible world record attempt either, but maybe I simply wasn't paying attention? Didn't think it could happen in Chicago either, I thought only London or Berlin were possibilities. Either way it's a stunning record, amazing Paula's lasted as long as it did, and it seems Kosgei can and intends on going a lot quicker. She said yesterday she thinks 2:10 is possible for a woman!

I always thought either Keitany, Cheruiyot or Dibaba would be the ones to break the record, but at the ages of 38, 36 and 34 with baby #2 on the way respectively I think they can all forget about this new record. The next person to break the record will obviously be Kosgei again herself, but it's difficult to see anyone else coming even remotely close to the time she just set. Can't wait for the day Ayana or Hassan step up to the marathon :pac:

average_runner · 14-10-2019 3:14pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Wow, shocked to see Paula's world record go, I wasn't expecting it to happen in Chicago. I hadn't heard anything about a possible world record attempt either, but maybe I simply wasn't paying attention? Didn't think it could happen in Chicago either, I thought only London or Berlin were possibilities. Either way it's a stunning record, amazing Paula's lasted as long as it did, and it seems Kosgei can and intends on going a lot quicker. She said yesterday she thinks 2:10 is possible for a woman!

I always thought either Keitany, Cheruiyot or Dibaba would be the ones to break the record, but at the ages of 38, 36 and 34 with baby #2 on the way respectively I think they can all forget about this new record. The next person to break the record will obviously be Kosgei again herself, but it's difficult to see anyone else coming even remotely close to the time she just set. Can't wait for the day Ayana or Hassan step up to the marathon :pac:

Kosgei performance in the half last sept had set the tone she was going for it.

14-10-2019 6:41pm

I thought the best part of it was her more or less ignoring Paula after the finish when she showed up for the photo op.

Sinbad_NI · 15-10-2019 10:47am

average_runner wrote: »

Her marathon PB in 2015 was 2:47 and 2016 her half PB was 1:14.

Some improvement but you know she will get busted somewhere down the line

Looked oh so similar to a cycling finish in the late 90 , early 00s. Not exactly rocket science, rocket fuel would be more accurate :-(
Only a matter of time unfortunately.

average_runner · 15-10-2019 11:15am

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

Looked oh so similar to a cycling finish in the late 90 , early 00s. Not exactly rocket science, rocket fuel would be more accurate :-(
Only a matter of time unfortunately.

To make it better, her time is the closest to the mens record in Athletics bar one. Flo Jo was 9.5% and her's is 10.34%

Chivito550 · 15-10-2019 11:51am

average_runner wrote: »

To make it better, her time is the closest to the mens record in Athletics bar one. Flo Jo was 9.5% and her's is 10.34%

Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.

average_runner · 15-10-2019 12:09pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.

So Kosgei standss out even more. What's your opinion on her?

walshb · 15-10-2019 12:14pm

The farther the distances the closer the percentage differences between males and females, generally.

Flo jo was a low 10.5 runner I'd say. The wind meter in the U.S trials was an issue, but we cannot know for certain her true best time...

!!!!!!!!! Paula's World Record Gone !!!!!!!!

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