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Rugby World Cup 2019 Hagibis Projected Path

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    #122
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hardly a fair comparison though. All of 200km distance between Dublin and Galway. The diameter of strongest part of typhoon is 1,400km. 30,000 houses were knocked down with Typhoon Faxai and this is expected to be much worse. You could argue about potentially postponing games but moving them outright with background of a typhoon swiftly approaching isn't an easy task.


    England have headed to a training camp in Miyazaki since the game is called off. Clearly they feel comfortable traveling there. Why not play the game there? This is really not that complicated. You just need players, officials and a camera crew. Odds are England will play a training game over the weekend that has all those things while in Miyazaki.


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    #123
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You get the general sense that WR would only have countenanced a re-location if it was a "full" relocation with fans etc. No doubt there would have been broadcasting and sponsor issues to work out, but simply not playing the games doesn't seem like much of a solution.


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    #124
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭vetinari


    That's exactly it. They had no closed door contingency option and to make it worse couldn't even organize it at short notice.
    Shambolic organizing. Puts a dampener on the entire world cup.


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    #125
    salmocab
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    You get the general sense that WR would only have countenanced a re-location if it was a "full" relocation with fans etc. No doubt there would have been broadcasting and sponsor issues to work out, but simply not playing the games doesn't seem like much of a solution.

    This is it, they basically had no contingency beyond a nil all draw and let’s hope for the best


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    #126
    andymx11
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    “Typhoon showing weakening. Eye gone but still a lot of destructive winds and rain in it. I still think it wont be half as bad as made out. Maybe 100mm of rain which Newport in Ireland survived about a year ago in 24 hours. Winds probably decreasing quickly after initially 75 knots on landfall”

    Above is from the weather forum - Jesus those lads are knowledgable..


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    #127
    Sonny noggs
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    Another damp squib?


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    #128
    joseywhales
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    It is not a solution, it's the definition of a failure. I have had bcp testing in every job I have ever had, all of our software works even in the event of level 3 disasters in 3 of 4 global locations, the world would literally have to end before the software would crash. I imagine it's similar in all industries, how the hell did they have no contingency here for such a huge event?


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    #129
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    All trains and flights in tokyo cancelled.
    They expect 1m of rain in parts. Yea 1 meter. Lorenzo was predicted to bring 5cm of rain.
    Already reports of a casualty and injuries
    Towns have been evacuated
    700 homes without power.


    The idea these games should have been played pays no respect to the magnitude of the weather that is affecting the country.


    Im in Fukouka and the Wind that has been around today, miles from the cyclone will make a complete mess of the game later if it doesnt die down.


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    #130
    Hurrache
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »

    The idea these games should have been played pays no respect to the magnitude of the weather that is affecting the country.
    .

    Nobody said the games should be played in those conditions.

    And having respect for the typhoon and being critical of World Rugby for their lack of planning aren't mutually exclusive.


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    #131
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Another damp squib?

    NHK (Japan public broadcaster) are describing it as a once in several decades event.


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    #132
    caff
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    vetinari wrote: »
    That's exactly it. They had no closed door contingency option and to make it worse couldn't even organize it at short notice.
    Shambolic organizing. Puts a dampener on the entire world cup.

    I think the other side is most volunteers staff and security will be busy with managing typhoon response and could probably care less about about the match and more about trying to help people out who are been evacuated from their homes.


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    #133
    caff
    Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭caff


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Another damp squib?

    Confirmed death landslides flooding houses demolished and it hasn't even hit land yet.


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    #134
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Former Former wrote: »
    NHK (Japan public broadcaster) are describing it as a once in several decades event.

    Faxai hit Tokyo only last month and was very similar strength to what Hagibis will be. So the above is hyperbole, throw in western media's interest because of the rugby and the circus will be in full flight.


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    #135
    Eod100
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    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    Faxai hit Tokyo only last month and was very similar strength to what Hagibis will be. So the above is hyperbole, throw in western media's interest because of the rugby and the circus will be in full flight.

    It hasn't even hit landfall yet and its mean to be much stranger than Hagibis. Faxai killed several people in process and floored 30,000 homes in Tokyo alone so not sure how you can try ri dismiss it as hyperbole tbh


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    #136
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Eod100 wrote: »
    It hasn't even hit landfall yet and its mean to be much stranger than Hagibis. Faxai killed several people in process and floored 30,000 homes in Tokyo alone so not sure how you can try ri dismiss it as hyperbole tbh

    Once in several decades is the hyperbole, considering it literally only happened last month.

    I never downplayed the potential impact of the storm, its going to cause serious damage but the media claiming its the end of the earth is hyperbole. Japan and Tokyo are well used to this kind of weather.


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    #137
    Sabre0001
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    https://www.windy.com/?34.259,137.395,6

    The size of this thing!

    492820.PNG

    🤪



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    #138
    Former Former
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    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    https://www.windy.com/?34.259,137.395,6

    The size of this thing!

    No no, it's all a media invention


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    #139
    easypazz
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    All trains and flights in tokyo cancelled.
    They expect 1m of rain in parts. Yea 1 meter. Lorenzo was predicted to bring 5cm of rain.
    Already reports of a casualty and injuries
    Towns have been evacuated
    700 homes without power.


    The idea these games should have been played pays no respect to the magnitude of the weather that is affecting the country.


    Im in Fukouka and the Wind that has been around today, miles from the cyclone will make a complete mess of the game later if it doesnt die down.

    Nobody suggested games be played. The suggestion is either postpone or move them.

    Contingency plans should have been in place.


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    #140
    Bridge93
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    Why do people keep misinterpreting what people are saying about this mess? Do they not read what’s said or are they deliberately obtuse to paint a picture that people don’t care about what’s happening to the people of japan?

    Literally nobody has said play the games in the middle of a ****ing typhoon. No one at all.


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    #141
    FixdePitchmark
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    Clearly the contract and concept of no rearranged games was a massive error of judgement by all.

    It won't be in rules again I'd suggest.

    Not a chance in hell that this would happen in most other sports and for once rugby has shown a bit of lack of experience in world sport.

    Imagine telling two soccer teams in a world cup, the match was 0-0.
    For all the stick soccer gets from an organisational perspective, that would be comical, wouldn't happen.

    The communication around this has been shocking, the lack of an ability to reach agreement or adjust has been embarrassing.

    The first round of the tournament is a joke, this makes it worse.

    Probably a full review of tournament needed.


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    #142
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    Once in several decades is the hyperbole, considering it literally only happened last month.

    I never downplayed the potential impact of the storm, its going to cause serious damage but the media claiming its the end of the earth is hyperbole. Japan and Tokyo are well used to this kind of weather.

    That's assuming both typhoons are the same size which they're clearly not. Nobody claimed it to be the end of the earth. This is just getting silly now


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    #143
    no.8
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    PokeHerKing wrote:
    Faxai hit Tokyo only last month and was very similar strength to what Hagibis will be. So the above is hyperbole, throw in western media's interest because of the rugby and the circus will be in full flight.


    Wow a real life Marty McFly


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    #144
    padser
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    My post clearly said ''Maybe they didn't want the even slight risk of a few people of the 30 or 40 thousand fans trying to get to different location during a typhoon even if games were played behind closed doors.'' You can't account for people's actions, even if a handful tried to make their way to games and were injured or worse, the reaction would immediately swing the other way. It's not exaggerating to say this could cause serious injuries or death.


    To be fair, like pretty much every other objection raised - that's easily fixable with multiple solutions

    Dont confirm the actual venue.

    Or even, put out reports the game is called off while moving the teams and then announce it will be played a couple of hours before it kicks off

    Or, charter a plane a few days before the windy weather hits and fly the two teams to another country.

    I honestly havnt seen a single argument advanced which genuinely holds up which prevents games being moved (moving fans absolutely, moving 100 people to a pitch away from the bad weather hits - doable)


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    #145
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Eod100 wrote: »
    That's assuming both typhoons are the same size which they're clearly not. Nobody claimed it to be the end of the earth. This is just getting silly now

    Both are making landfall as high end cat 1s. Powerful and dangersous with landslides/flooding as usual the major concern.

    Just because posters on here and western media have taken an interest in this 1 typhoon because of the rugby world Cup does not automatically make it a once in a century event.


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    #146
    Bridge93
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    It’s the strongest in 60 years to make landfall in japan. Unless the media etc are openly lying?


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    #147
    guapos
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    Itv supporting World rugby.do they not know what size Japan is,they could have moved games to other side of the country


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    #148
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    It’s the strongest in 60 years to make landfall in japan. Unless the media etc are openly lying?

    Lying or lazy, take your pick. It's currently expected to be about 80kts at landfall. So no, definitely not the strongest.

    I'm in no way trying to make light of this situation for anyone in the path of this storm. Homes will be destroyed people are unfortunately going to die but that happens every year. The only difference currently is the Rugby world Cup begin played in its path.


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    #149
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    Lying or lazy, take your pick. It's currently expected to be about 80kts at landfall. So no, definitely not the strongest.

    I'm in no way trying to make light of this situation for anyone in the path of this storm. Homes will be destroyed people are unfortunately going to die but that happens every year. The only difference currently is the Rugby world Cup begin played in its path.

    What's the inside track you have that makes you more knowledgeable about this than the Japanese Meteorological Agency? Have you got a weather app on your phone or something?


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    #150
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    What's the inside track you have that makes you more knowledgeable about this than the Japanese Meteorological Agency? Have you got a weather app on your phone or something?

    I'm taking my info from JMA. Most people here are taking theirs from media.


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    #151
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    I'm taking my info from JMA. Most people here are taking theirs from media.

    What you're saying is very different to what they're saying:

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20191011_58/

    Strongest typhoon to make landfall in recorded history in terms of pressure as well now. Also coupled with the fact that it's a full moon so water levels are naturally higher, leading to more flooding and water damage.

    This did not "happen last month", as you said earlier. It's all well and good saying western media are hyping it up or taking an interest because of the F1 and world cup, but watch Japanese media and you'll see what JMA are saying directly.


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