Extinction Rebellion Ireland

20Cent · 10-10-2019 8:54pm

Climate change deniers are similar to trump supporters.
Rational discourse and facts don't work with them.
Best leave them seething while everyone else gets on with it.

jos28 · 10-10-2019 8:55pm

Spotted one of the spokespersons being interviewed outside Penneys on the news last night. She was wearing an Adidas puffa jacket. I'm open to correction but I don't think Adidas are renowned for their ethical production methods and I doubt they stuff their puffa jackets with organic cotton :rolleyes:.

On a more serious note, I accept the right to protest in a democratic society, however I feel that this campaign is more divisive than it should be. None of us want to destroy the planet, we all inhabit the same cities, towns, villages etc. IMO the protestors have turned this issue into an 'us and them' topic. Most of us are decent folk, trying to earn a crust (no pun intended), travel to work the best way we can and look after our families. As a nation we accept change extremely well, for example - the plastic bag tax, the smoking ban. Educate and encourage, don't antagonise and ridicule.

HorrorScope · 10-10-2019 8:58pm

20Cent wrote: »

Climate change deniers are similar to trump supporters.
Rational discourse and facts don't work with them.
Best leave them seething while everyone else gets on with it.

Hahahaha you’ve just described the climate protestors there pal, have you any self awareness at all??

20Cent · 10-10-2019 8:59pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

Hahahaha you’ve just described the climate protestors there pal, have you any self awareness at all??

Teach yourself some science.
No reason to still be ignorant of the facts at this stage with so much information at our fingertips.

Niallof9 · 10-10-2019 9:01pm

jos28 wrote: »

Spotted one of the spokespersons being interviewed outside Penneys on the news last night. She was wearing an Adidas puffa jacket. I'm open to correction but I don't think Adidas are renowned for their ethical production methods and I doubt they stuff their puffa jackets with organic cotton :rolleyes:.

On a more serious note, I accept the right to protest in a democratic society, however I feel that this campaign is more divisive than it should be. None of us want to destroy the planet, we all inhabit the same cities, towns, villages etc. IMO the protestors have turned this issue into an 'us and them' topic. Most of us are decent folk, trying to earn a crust (no pun intended), travel to work the best way we can and look after our families. As a nation we accept change extremely well, for example - the plastic bag tax, the smoking ban. Educate and encourage, don't antagonise and ridicule.

Well said. Education is the key. Completely correct about us versus them; videos in the US of protesters questioning if older people have any right to a say etc. that’s hugely dangerous.

Cosmos documentary should be compulsory viewing in school.

buried · 10-10-2019 9:02pm

20Cent wrote: »

My theory about the hatred directed at anyone who protests or is an activist comes from the helplessness the haters feel facing huge problems. Drives them to hate anyone actually doing something. Just take a step back, get out of the way and let the doers do.

My ire towards the vast majority of these activists is the wanton hypocrisy the vast majority showcase on the various protests these hypocrites go out on.

"Let the doers do" ?

Today you had a man doing a protest on a aer lingus flight about environmental damage while at the same time he was waving his own apple iPhone in front of his face.

Fair enough if you are an actual advocate for environmental protection, you want to live a actual hunter gatherer existence and currently exist as one, but how many of these activists actually live the existence on what they try to dictate the rest of us live? I'd wager f**k all, certainly wasnt that hypocritical fools arse on that aer lingus flight.

If you are a actual activist for climate change or saving the environment the first thing you are going to have to do is weed out the hypocrites doing your own movement damage before you even attempt to tell me or anybody else what to do.

"Do" your own house first.
Then ye can "do" away.

Soulsun · 10-10-2019 9:02pm

Where is the protest tomorrow?

20Cent · 10-10-2019 9:08pm

buried wrote: »

My ire towards the vast majority of these activists is the wanton hypocrisy the vast majority showcase on the various protests these hypocrites go out on.

"Let the doers do" ?

Today you had a man doing a protest on a aer lingus flight about environmental damage while at the same time he was waving his own apple iPhone in front of his face.

Fair enough if you are an actual advocate for environmental protection, you want to live a actual hunter gatherer existence and currently exist as one, but how many of these activists actually live the existence on what they try to dictate the rest of us live? I'd wager f**k all, certainly wasnt that hypocritical fools arse on that aer lingus flight.

If you are a actual activist for climate change or saving the environment the first thing you are going to have to do is weed out the hypocrites doing your own movement damage before you even attempt to tell me or anybody else what to do.

"Do" your own house first.
Then ye can "do" away.

A Jordan Peterson fan?

The hypocrisy police more interested in slagging others than doing anything.
Typical curtain twitchers.

bazermc · 10-10-2019 9:10pm

Soulsun wrote: »

Where is the protest tomorrow?

Your house!!

jos28 · 10-10-2019 9:11pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

Well said. Education is the key. Completely correct about us versus them; videos in the US of protesters questioning if older people have any right to a say etc. that’s hugely dangerous.

Cosmos documentary should be compulsory viewing in school.

Must check that out this weekend.
Obviously we all want to make the world a better place, it would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Changing the world and the way things are done will take time, it is a mammoth task. As my old Dad used to say 'how do you eat an elephant?' One bite at a time.

PS I obviously do NOT condone eating elephants

buried · 10-10-2019 9:12pm

20Cent wrote: »

A Jordan Peterson fan?

The hypocrisy police more interested in slagging others than doing anything.
Typical curtain twitchers.

You're trying to slag me as a Jordan Peterson fan aren't you? You definitely doing it by labelling me as a "curtain twitcher" lol but hey, theres more hypocrisy showcased by yourself.

You want to discuss the environmental protestor holding up the aer lingus flight while holding up his apple iPhone instead? No?

HorrorScope · 10-10-2019 9:16pm

buried wrote: »

You're trying to slag me as a Jordan Peterson fan aren't you? You definitely doing it by labelling me as a "curtain twitcher" lol but hey, theres more hypocrisy showcased by yourself.

You want to discuss the environmental protestor holding up the aer lingus flight while holding up his apple iPhone instead? No?

You wouldn’t mind the insult but JP has more intellect in the tip of his dick than these ****ing idiots do combined.

end of the road · 10-10-2019 9:21pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How come they are not protesting at the Chinese/Indian Embassy or the offices of the politicians who affect policy.

because they are from or living in the country they are protesting in, and that is ultimately their concern.
they can do nothing about china or india, that will have to come from international pressure, which the protests may long term help to achieve, by getting the message through to the politicians, which is happening, whether they ultimately decide to heed it or not.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why are they going after the ordinary Joe soap who has no power to change government policy?

they are going after everyone.

castletownman wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, imagine the uproar and condemnation (even at government level) if a group called Islamic Rebellion or something occupied premises and disrupted airports expressing their "ideology"?

Intentional interference in airports should spell lengthy prison sentences. Or a trip to Guatanamo Bay. By boat of course just to be environmentally friendly.

intentional interference where it is actually serious, already does lead to a prison sentence. however protesting at an airport of itself isn't serious interference, unless individuals engage in for example, violence or criminal damage, which themselves are criminal offenses and have remedies available to deal with them.

20Cent · 10-10-2019 9:27pm

buried wrote: »

You're trying to slag me as a Jordan Peterson fan aren't you? You definitely doing it by labelling me as a "curtain twitcher" lol but hey, theres more hypocrisy showcased by yourself.

You want to discuss the environmental protestor holding up the aer lingus flight while holding up his apple iPhone instead? No?

Not really because his phone is immaterial.
Whatever type of phone that guy has makes zero difference to the environment or the future. Not seeing the wood for the trees.

Jimmy Garlic · 10-10-2019 9:31pm

buried · 10-10-2019 9:34pm

20Cent wrote: »

Not really because his phone is immaterial.
Whatever type of phone that guy has makes zero difference to the environment or the future. Not seeing the wood for the trees.

His smartphone isn't immaterial actually 20cent because the minerals mined out of the planet to create the chips for his phone has done, and continues to do huge levels of environmental damage in places like Sub Saharan Africa. Wars have even been engineered in these places to extract the raw materials for the chips in these electronic devices. So who is he to dictate to anybody else how they live? He is literally waving his own badge of contributing to environmental damage, plus death, about.

You would want to read up on these things 20, I'm not having a go at you, or trying to slag you. But you, like the vast majority of these activists would do well to research exactly what you all want to dictate about.
Seriously.

end of the road · 10-10-2019 9:36pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

LOL equating crusty students with Gandhi....hahahaha we have officially jumped the shark.

actually no there is no jumping the shark as the comparison isn't between non-crusty individuals from all walks of life and Gandhi.
the comparison is between the reaction extinction rebellion are getting from some, and the reaction that other protests and protest leaders would have got from some quarters.

buried wrote: »

My ire towards the vast majority of these activists is the wanton hypocrisy the vast majority showcase on the various protests these hypocrites go out on.

"Let the doers do" ?

Today you had a man doing a protest on a aer lingus flight about environmental damage while at the same time he was waving his own apple iPhone in front of his face.

Fair enough if you are an actual advocate for environmental protection, you want to live a actual hunter gatherer existence and currently exist as one, but how many of these activists actually live the existence on what they try to dictate the rest of us live? I'd wager f**k all, certainly wasnt that hypocritical fools arse on that aer lingus flight.

If you are a actual activist for climate change or saving the environment the first thing you are going to have to do is weed out the hypocrites doing your own movement damage before you even attempt to tell me or anybody else what to do.

"Do" your own house first.
Then ye can "do" away.

hypocracy is not an argument against extinction rebellion and their cause, given that there is probably no such thing as a hypocracy free movement or even human being.

buried · 10-10-2019 9:39pm

end of the road wrote: »

hypocracy is not an argument against extinction rebellion and their cause, given that there is probably no such thing as a hypocracy free movement or even human being.

I have literally no idea what you are trying to say EOTR.

end of the road · 10-10-2019 9:48pm

buried wrote: »

His smartphone isn't immaterial actually 20cent because the minerals mined out of the planet to create the chips for his phone has done and continues to do huge levels of environmental damage in places like Sub Saharan Africa. Wars have even been engineered in these places to extract the raw materials for the chips in these electronic devices. So who is he to dictate to anybody else how they live? He is literally waving his own badge of contributing to environmental damage, plus death, about.

You would want to read up on these things 20, I'm not having a go at you, or trying to slag you. But you, like the vast majority of these activists would do well to research exactly what you all want to dictate about.
Seriously.

that's all well and good and it's a fair point on it's own merrits, but when it comes to protesting around climate change, it is not an argument against such protests and neither is the phone someone has.
either the message is correct or it's not. everything else is nothing more then soundbites and whataboutery used to distract, presumably because one hasn't an argument against what is being said by the protesters.
pointing out some bits of hypocracy, which lets face it hypocracy exists probably in every one of us from time to time, is just showing us that their message must have merrit. because if it didn't, there would be serious arguments against it, and those arguments would debunk the information.

buried · 10-10-2019 10:00pm

end of the road wrote: »

that's all well and good and it's a fair point on it's own merrits, but when it comes to protesting around climate change, it is not an argument against such protests and neither is the phone someone has.
either the message is correct or it's not. everything else is nothing more then soundbites and whataboutery used to distract, presumably because one hasn't an argument against what is being said by the protesters.
pointing out some bits of hypocracy, which lets face it hypocracy exists probably in every one of us from time to time, is just showing us that their message must have merrit. because if it didn't, there would be serious arguments against it, and those arguments would debunk the information.

No EOTR, it's not because if you if you seriously want to create such a huge message to showcase to the world on how it is supposed to "save itself" you cant have any semblance of hypocrisy within it whatsoever. You didn't see Gandhi showcase his message of non violence while at the same time he'd head off to go pay to see a local street brawl or a boxing match.

You can't have it both ways.

You are either in or you aren't, and sorry but complaining about environmental damage to the planet while at the same time giving money to a company that bores holes into the earth destroying the landscape with machines, taking its minerals, engineering wars to make it happen, allowing children to mine the minerals afterwards....sorry your righteousness isn't going to cut it because you are a hypocrite, you are also damaging the cause you claim to hold so dear because of the hypocrisy.

20Cent · 10-10-2019 10:04pm

buried wrote: »

His smartphone isn't immaterial actually 20cent because the minerals mined out of the planet to create the chips for his phone has done, and continues to do huge levels of environmental damage in places like Sub Saharan Africa. Wars have even been engineered in these places to extract the raw materials for the chips in these electronic devices. So who is he to dictate to anybody else how they live? He is literally waving his own badge of contributing to environmental damage, plus death, about.

You would want to read up on these things 20, I'm not having a go at you, or trying to slag you. But you, like the vast majority of these activists would do well to research exactly what you all want to dictate about.
Seriously.

That phone probably has a fraction of a gram of those rare metals.
It would make no difference if he never bought it.

Now if governments made laws about stopping the environmental damage mining these materials cause, banned devices with them or invested in finding alternatives that would actually make a big difference.

Yeah_Right · 10-10-2019 10:08pm

I hope there is a big tax on private vehicles that forces more people on to public transport. Less cars on the road will make my drive to and from work so much better.

The same with taxes on air travel. I hate having my holidays ruined by noisy peasants and riff-raff taking advantage of cheap flights.

buried · 10-10-2019 10:08pm

20Cent wrote: »

That phone probably has a fraction of a gram of those rare metals.
It would make no difference if he never bought it.

Now if governments made laws about stopping the environmental damage mining these materials cause, banned devices with them or invested in finding alternatives that would actually make a big difference.

"A fraction of a gram"? Tell that to the African children that have to mine tonnes of the $hit.

As for the government making laws, go protest them, not ordinary people on flights or trying to get to work.

Not buying the things would make the real difference.

runawaybishop · 10-10-2019 10:15pm

buried wrote: »

I have literally no idea what you are trying to say EOTR.

Quell surprise.

Widye · 10-10-2019 10:16pm

Few of the boys are talking about going out and leathering these *****

runawaybishop · 10-10-2019 10:18pm

20Cent wrote: »

That phone probably has a fraction of a gram of those rare metals.
It would make no difference if he never bought it.

What we do in Ireland probably has a fraction of a percent overall in the world. It makes no difference if we protest or not.

Your argument doesn't stand up.

lleti · 10-10-2019 10:49pm

20Cent wrote: »

That phone probably has a fraction of a gram of those rare metals.
It would make no difference if he never bought it.

Now if governments made laws about stopping the environmental damage mining these materials cause, banned devices with them or invested in finding alternatives that would actually make a big difference.

You're right, the phone may just have half a gram of those metals.

But you clearly have no idea how this metal is obtained.

This is what these mines look like. They have to dig massive holes for tiny amounts of metal. That's why they're called rare.

lleti · 10-10-2019 10:49pm

I'd love if the crusties told us which of these 3 protests was their favourite. Kony2012, Occupy or Climate change?

branie2 · 10-10-2019 11:52pm

They're going about it the wrong way

20Cent · 11-10-2019 12:24am

lleti wrote: »

You're right, the phone may just have half a gram of those metals.

But you clearly have no idea how this metal is obtained.

This is what these mines look like. They have to dig massive holes for tiny amounts of metal. That's why they're called rare.

My point which seems to have been ignored in several replies is about that mans phone. It makes no difference if he owns it or not. It's the millions of phones that use these metals that is the problem. If some people decide not to buy them that hole will still be the same size. That's why it's a worldwide problem that requires international cooperation and agreement.

cj maxx · 11-10-2019 12:34am

lleti wrote: »

You're right, the phone may just have half a gram of those metals.

But you clearly have no idea how this metal is obtained.

This is what these mines look like. They have to dig massive holes for tiny amounts of metal. That's why they're called rare.

Yeah, but so what ?
We aren't burning these metals and filling the atmosphere with carbon.
Mine these rare metals

ChikiChiki · 11-10-2019 12:35am

If this type of disruption continues, and I certainly can see it getting far worse, then it will have a very adverse affect to what the activists want to achieve. The radical protests are coming at a time when governments are acknowledging the issues.

ChikiChiki · 11-10-2019 12:45am

suicide_circus wrote: »

vriesmays wrote: »

Would rather see junkies and Roma beggars in O'Connell St than these sad dopes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoKws5Q7aZ0

at least there were plenty of ordinary folk at the water marches and anti war in iraq march back in the day

I got behind the water protests mainly because the tax payer was being defrauded. These sad cnuts, not a chance.

LETHAL LADY · 11-10-2019 12:58am

My elderly mother had life-saving heart surgery a few years ago. Luckily my parents had always paid their health insurance and she could go private in the Mater.

All's well that ends well you'd think but the issue that arose for me at the time was trying to make a simple visit to her while she was in hospital.

The bus Eireann service to Dublin had been taken away from our town during the recession (population 6000 and whatever folks live in the town's hinterland also), as had the train service, well that was now reduced to two stops a day.

So, basically if I wanted to choose the more environmentally friendly route and had taken public transport it would have taken roughly a four and a half hour trip each way to the doors of the Mater for a journey that only takes three hours round trip by car.

If the likes of Eamon Ryan and his cohorts wants us rural folk to jump onboard with him, well he needs to take his massive green fingers out of his ears and push for the transport systems like you'd get anywhere in Europe.

For ****s and giggles though I'd love to see Eamon attempt to carpool from the Beara peninsula to Leinster House everyday come rain, hail and shine.

ToddyDoody · 11-10-2019 1:03am

They can protest all they like, its still more likely that a disease will wipe us all out.

Happy Friday, btw.

cj maxx · 11-10-2019 1:08am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I got behind the water protests mainly because the tax payer was being defrauded. These sad cnuts, not a chance.

How were people being defrauded ?
You pay for your water being treated , piped to your house.
You pay a bill based on your consumption
How is that defrauding people ?
BS

end of the road · 11-10-2019 1:19am

buried wrote: »

No EOTR, it's not because if you if you seriously want to create such a huge message to showcase to the world on how it is supposed to "save itself" you cant have any semblance of hypocrisy within it whatsoever. You didn't see Gandhi showcase his message of non violence while at the same time he'd head off to go pay to see a local street brawl or a boxing match.

You can't have it both ways.

You are either in or you aren't, and sorry but complaining about environmental damage to the planet while at the same time giving money to a company that bores holes into the earth destroying the landscape with machines, taking its minerals, engineering wars to make it happen, allowing children to mine the minerals afterwards....sorry your righteousness isn't going to cut it because you are a hypocrite, you are also damaging the cause you claim to hold so dear because of the hypocrisy.

not in reality.
only in the minds of those who want the cause to be damaged, would that be the case from what i can see.
from what i can see, hypocracy or not, extinction rebellion's campaign seems to be a huge success and is getting people's attention, and people are listening. ultimately, that is all that matters.
they won't get every single demand as that isn't possible, but changes will be made to improve the environment.
the people protesting are 100% in the cause.

runawaybishop wrote: »

What we do in Ireland probably has a fraction of a percent overall in the world. It makes no difference if we protest or not.

Your argument doesn't stand up.

it will make a massive difference to us however.
cutting pollution from transport will make our towns and cities much healthier places to live.
trying to reuse what we can rather then trying to bury it will bring it's own benefits, including us having better quality land.
instant gratification and instant results aren't going to be achieved here, as some, mainly those critical of the protesters from what i can see, seem to be expecting to happen, but it's not a reason to not change things, and an individual country is not being expected to change the world. so if our bit doesn't help on a world scale, so be it, it will help on an irish scale.

ChikiChiki · 11-10-2019 1:35am

cjmc wrote: »

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I got behind the water protests mainly because the tax payer was being defrauded. These sad cnuts, not a chance.

How were people being defrauded ?
You pay for your water being treated , piped to your house.
You pay a bill based on your consumption
How is that defrauding people ?
BS

You never read into the IBRC deals and sale of Siteserv did you? Taxpayer assets were sold at a huge loss to get IW going.

Fwiw I have no problem with paying for water.

Atlantic Dawn · 11-10-2019 2:06am

cjmc wrote: »

How were people being defrauded ?
You pay for your water being treated , piped to your house.
You pay a bill based on your consumption
How is that defrauding people ?
BS

Money from VRT and motortax went towards this, completely unrelated to it. I suppose one of the most generous social welfare and pensions on the face of the earth results in the working person having to bankroll not deciding to sit on their hole.

IamtheWalrus · 11-10-2019 2:13am

Widye wrote: »

Few of the boys are talking about going out and leathering these *****

‘The boys’ sound like quite an intellectual bunch.

mgn · 11-10-2019 6:18am

cjmc wrote: »

Yeah, but so what ?
We aren't burning these metals and filling the atmosphere with carbon.
Mine these rare metals

That hole wasn't dug with a pick and shovel.
Have you seen the heavy plant used in these types of operations, there is as much emissions burned there as the whole of Ireland does on a daily basis.

uchimata83 · 11-10-2019 6:22am

To the protesters I say - Fair play to them for getting the whole week off work.

Thelonious Monk · 11-10-2019 6:39am

Its actually a bit sad how angry its making people that a few dozen people are protesting peacefully and causing very minor inconveniences. It is impossible to partake in today's society without buying things that cause pollution or have children in mines or god knows what. Do people not want that to change and for us to try and move towards doing everything in a more eco friendly way? What are you all afraid of or angry at when you're advocating police violence or as a poster said a page or two ago going out with his boys to give them a hiding?
Its worrying reading these posts if its a slice of the general views on things. Its 100 people on merrion square. What a ****ty world wed live in if everyone thought the same and did everything the same way always.

gctest50 · 11-10-2019 6:51am

lleti wrote: »

You're right, the phone may just have half a gram of those metals.

But you clearly have no idea how this metal is obtained.

This is what these mines look like. They have to dig massive holes for tiny amounts of metal. That's why they're called rare.

That's only a little pothole

Look at the hole they dug for diamonds :

( red arrow points to a mining truck )

gctest50 · 11-10-2019 7:04am

mgn wrote: »

That hole wasn't dug with a pick and shovel.
Have you seen the heavy plant used in these types of operations, there is as much emissions burned there as the whole of Ireland does on a daily basis.

Many large excavators are electric, so they could really be running from a windmill

You can see the cable of this one on the left

Making some of the trucks electric :

Varik · 11-10-2019 7:50am

Property tax being somewhat different, but the majority of tax either the water tax or these carbon taxes aren't allotted to any particular thing. Just more added to pot.

Whatever notion of the the water being already paid for ended at the subsequent budget where those taxes just became the going rate. Same thing will happen now with these, they'll increase what they can and tend add new taxes on after with future budgets paying no heed to whatever it was meant to pay for.

Hector Savage · 11-10-2019 7:54am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not a freak show. These ppl will be considered heroes in a hundred years. They are calling time on the old way of doing things.

!! Heroes!!!

cj maxx · 11-10-2019 7:56am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You never read into the IBRC deals and sale of Siteserv did you? Taxpayer assets were sold at a huge loss to get IW going.

Fwiw I have no problem with paying for water.

No I didn't, what happened?

lleti · 11-10-2019 8:07am

cjmc wrote: »

Yeah, but so what ?
We aren't burning these metals and filling the atmosphere with carbon.
Mine these rare metals

I thought you cared about the planet? Why are you fine with massive holes being dug into it?

Hector Savage · 11-10-2019 8:18am

lalababa wrote: »

Mgn....you are missing the point. Of course most people live this way: it is modern society. These marches are an attempt to get noticed by the public and Gov. So that Gov. may start to think about alternatives, to make them act. To talk about bringing in policies to CHANGE modern living habits. For example ....phasing out plastics quicker than they are or phasing in renewable energy quicker than they are.
But this is probably lost on you.

People need to CHANGE their living habits themselves, why should a nanny state govt come in and just tax us ?
Yeah cos money will solve everything right ??? - this at the end of the day is all about MONEY!!

It would be easy for these people to cut back on their western luxuries.
Stop driving everywhere
Stop changing your pefectly good iPhone every 6 months/year
Stop using tumble dryer - hang clothes on a washing line ffs
Get off them ****ing electric scooters - its another battery that needs to be ripped from a mine in Africa where some slave kids are living in misery - also it's a health crisis, we can expect obesity to skyrocket in the next decade..
Stop buying so much clothes - have you seen the **** China are dumping in the rivers from clothes factories ???

If masses of people adopted the above you would see a massive improvement in air quality , but you know what ? - it's HARD to do this.

It's easy tho to get stoned and dance about like a tosser and faf about with some bongo drums all the while uploading it on your iPhone 19 to twitter and facebook...

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