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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #962
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Is anyone disagreeing that Trump asked foreign governments to investigate political rivals? I'm not sure where we are on this. I can't remember if we're at the "He didn't do it" phase or the "He did it but it's totally cool" phase. Maybe we're on both?


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    #963
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,141 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    I'm glad you posted that, as it shows how removed from reality the left are, including mainstream entertainment, which of course leftists have the monopoly on. Used to love American late night, and liberals have ruined it, it's now largely leftist propaganda, but that's another thread.

    Sondland, clearly, sees from the texts that Taylor is wrong (/has an agenda) and so after informing him that Trump has been crystal clear re quid-pro-quos, he tells him that if he still has concerns, phone two other people that are also working on the talks.

    Sondland was meeting with Zelensky (and Volker) the next day and so I'm sure he had other things to be doing rather than having a pointless back and forth with this chap who it seems there was no talking to. Only leftists could read into him delegating the call as him actually saying "I Think We Should Stop Texting About the Crimes".

    Ever notice how you all have to keep making inferences all the time about what people have said, and it's never the actual words that anyone has that you are complaining about, just what they must have meant. Doesn't that tell you something eventually?

    :rolleyes:


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    #964
    Annurca Apples
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭Annurca Apples


    "I think China should investigate Biden" is not a request for China to investigate Biden. He is just expressing what he thinks they should do. Now obviously you can interpret that as a request. But you can't prove that it's a request so he hasn't broken any laws.


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    #965
    Veritas Libertas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Veritas Libertas


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Is anyone disagreeing that Trump asked foreign governments to investigate political rivals? I'm not sure where we are on this. I can't remember if we're at the "He didn't do it" phase or the "He did it but it's totally cool" phase. Maybe we're on both?

    Is context irrelevant? We are all too aware of the tongue-in-cheek nature of his hyperbole.
    It’s a familiar split. When he makes claims like this, the press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.
    The Atlantic


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    #966
    Annurca Apples
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭Annurca Apples


    It seems to be common to make false inferences from statements that Trump makes.

    For example, Trump said that when you're a celebrity you can grab women by the pussy and they let you.

    People on the left then conclude that he therefore admitted to sexual assault. Either they are brain dead and don't understand basic logic or their motives are to twist words to suit their agenda.


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    #967
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Is anyone disagreeing that Biden bragged about how when he was Vice President he used $1billion in US aid as leverage to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired, whilst at the same time also suggesting that the president at the time, Obama, would be okay with him doing so? I'm not sure where we are on this. I can't remember if we're at the "He didn't do it" phase or the "He did it but it's totally cool" phase. Maybe we're on both?


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    #968
    Veritas Libertas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Veritas Libertas


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Is anyone disagreeing that Biden bragged about how when he was Vice President he used $1billion in US aid as leverage to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired, whilst at the same time also suggesting that the president at the time, Obama, would be okay with him doing so? I'm not sure where we are on this. I can't remember if we're at the "He didn't do it" phase or the "He did it but it's totally cool" phase. Maybe we're on both?

    I have seen that clip where he says that. But it seems there was international agreement and support for this action, or am I wrong? For me this definitely lightens the crime considerably.


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    #969
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Annurca Apples wrote: »
    It seems to be common to make false inferences from statements that Trump makes.

    You'd be here all day if you were to make a list ...

    They've spent three years exaggerating / deliberately misrepresenting relatively innocuous comments he has made in order to make him out to be: a nazi, a misogynist, a russian agent, a white supremacist, corrupt, treasonous etc etc. Not once has accuracy accompanied their outrage, which is why of course, they keep falling flat on their face.


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    #970
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,585 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Overheal wrote: »
    We know the call wasn’t made up

    We know Schiff was paraphrasing when he made that statement

    And?
    Had he said 'dig up dirt' I could see where you are coming from. But 'make up dirt' is too far removed to call it paraphrasing.

    Silly from Schiff to do it, and create a Trump-friendly talking point, when Trump is in trouble.


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    #971
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Is anyone disagreeing that Trump asked foreign governments to investigate political rivals? I'm not sure where we are on this. I can't remember if we're at the "He didn't do it" phase or the "He did it but it's totally cool" phase. Maybe we're on both?

    Honestly, you won't get a reply to this. It's all deflect, deflect, deflect, copy and paste the main points from the_donal


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    #972
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I could believe the Joe Biden theory as something other than a manufactured controversy if there was noise made about it at the time. Am I supposed to believe that Joe Biden did something improper as VP and the Republicans at the time didn't make a big deal about it? Have people just forgotten the relationship between Republicans and the Obama administration?

    Needless to say, this doesn't change the fact that Trump asked foreign governments to investigate political rivals and the evidence coming out is simply confirming it. The early denials have now turned into deflections about Biden and Schiff.


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    #973
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Overheal, you're quoting the transcript as if it supports what you're saying, but it doesn't, quite the contrary in fact (the above two quotes are her doing what you're saying she didn't).



    Ah here, now you're twisting what Pelosi said as you know you're wrong. Pelosi at no stage said that Schiff's parody was "based on..." Trump's words, she clearly said the parody was "USING" the president's words. 'Using' and 'based on' and two different things.

    She's also saying Schiff did not "make it up" and we all know damn well that he did, as Trump at no stage asked Zelensky to "make up dirt .. lots of it" on Biden during that call.

    Here is the clip on GMA's own Twitter page:


    https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1179717036047421440


    Admit you're wrong ffs.


    :pac:



    Overheal never ceases to crack me up :pac:


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    #974
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    Your alt-right crowd


    Caught out and here comes the ad hominems :)


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    #975
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I could believe the Joe Biden theory as something other than a manufactured controversy if there was noise made about it at the time. Am I supposed to believe that Joe Biden did something improper as VP and the Republicans at the time didn't make a big deal about it? Have people just forgotten the relationship between Republicans and the Obama administration?

    And still to this day republicans are remarkably silent about this disgraceful, potentially criminal act. I wonder why that is?


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    #976
    johnmc76
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭johnmc76


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I could believe the Joe Biden theory as something other than a manufactured controversy if there was noise made about it at the time. Am I supposed to believe that Joe Biden did something improper as VP and the Republicans at the time didn't make a big deal about it? Have people just forgotten the relationship between Republicans and the Obama administration?

    The sad reality is the Republicans are cowards when it comes to these. Mostly because they're guilty of the same. Which is despite all the WWE theatrics nobody ever gets punished.


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    #977
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Veritas Libertas wrote: »
    I have seen that clip where he says that. But it seems there was international agreement and support for this action, or am I wrong? For me this definitely lightens the crime considerably.

    That’s what they want you to believe. There has been a lot of info coming out of Ukraine and the Obama administration of late.

    There is a massive coverup about Ukraine and it’s not from Trump.


    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-...krainian-government-torpedo-joe-bidens-story/


    Within a week of Shokin’s firing, Burisma’s legal team met with Ukrainian officials and according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting, offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutor. Solomon reports that the legal team’s efforts to secure this meeting began the same day Shokin’s firing was announced

    If you have half an hour this is worth a watch goes into some detail about the call. About Obama’s policy in Ukraine and China.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZXF7YWwe-g


    Don’t forget. All the gains made by Russia and China were under Obama’s watch.

    Don’t forget that when Ukraine needed weapons Obama sent them blankets. It was Trump who sent weapons to Ukraine.

    Don’t forget it was Obama who told Putin that he would be more flexible after the 2012 election.

    Don’t forget that it was Obama’s administration who knew of Russian meddling but colluded with Hillary to spy on candidate Trump. Two officials who helped in Ukraine were tried and found guilty.


    FLASHBACK: ABC's Jon Karl Asked Obama WH About "Appearance Of A Conflict" With Hunter Biden And Ukraine In 2014

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/29/flashback_abcs_jon_karl_asked_obama_wh_about_appearance_of_a_conflict_with_hunter_biden_and_ukraine_in_2014.html


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    #978
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Is ODS (Obama dereangement syndrome) a thing?


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    #979
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    mad muffin wrote: »
    That’s what they want you to believe. There has been a lot of info coming out of Ukraine and the Obama administration of late.

    There is a massive coverup about Ukraine and it’s not from Trump.


    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-...krainian-government-torpedo-joe-bidens-story/


    Within a week of Shokin’s firing, Burisma’s legal team met with Ukrainian officials and according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting, offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutor. Solomon reports that the legal team’s efforts to secure this meeting began the same day Shokin’s firing was announced

    If you have half an hour this is worth a watch goes into some detail about the call. About Obama’s policy in Ukraine and China.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZXF7YWwe-g


    Don’t forget. All the gains made by Russia and China were under Obama’s watch.

    Don’t forget that when Ukraine needed weapons Obama sent them blankets. It was Trump who sent weapons to Ukraine.

    Don’t forget it was Obama who told Putin that he wild be more flexible after the 2012 election.

    Don’t forget that it was Obama’s administration who knew of Russian meddling but colluded with Hillary to spy on candidate Trump. Two officials who helped in Ukraine were tried and found guilty.


    FLASHBACK: ABC's Jon Karl Asked Obama WH About "Appearance Of A Conflict" With Hunter Biden And Ukraine In 2014

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/29/flashback_abcs_jon_karl_asked_obama_wh_about_appearance_of_a_conflict_with_hunter_biden_and_ukraine_in_2014.html


    This whole thing is going to backfire spectacularly (as usual) for the Dems


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    #980
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Is ODS (Obama dereangement syndrome) a thing?


    Obama is on camera telling the evilest man in the world Putin that he would be more flexible in his second term. Hard to be deranged about what is on film coming out of his mouth.


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    #981
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Is ODS (Obama dereangement syndrome) a thing?

    No


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    #982
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    The MSM will tell you there’s nothing to see here about the Democrats. It’s all Trump. But what don’t they want you to know?


    https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1181025883076857856

    https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1181026344207048704

    https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1181024751982174208

    The commentary is very revealing.

    https://youtu.be/7buvHLpDHmU


    This is what happens when someone who isn’t vested in the swamp is elected. He’s going to reveal all their dirty secrets. And the swamp is striking back.


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    #983
    The Phantom Jipper
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Trump is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate a political opponent, and used taxpayer funds as leverage to get them to do so. His own public statements and transcript confirm this.

    The endless Twitter links and conspiracy theory videos explaining "the real scandal" are unnecessary. It really is an open and shut case.


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    #984
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

    The endless Twitter links and conspiracy theory videos explaining "the real scandal" are unnecessary. It really is an open and shut case.

    And the poster has been asked many times to stop the YouTube dumping FYI.


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    #985
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    The Phantom Jipper wrote: »
    Trump is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate a political opponent, and used taxpayer funds as leverage to get them to do so. His own public statements and transcript confirm this.

    The endless Twitter links and conspiracy theory videos explaining "the real scandal" are unnecessary. It really is an open and shut case.


    First of all he’s not being impeached.

    Second you are simply spreading lies.

    Third. When you invoke the “conspiracy theories” card you have lost any of the little credibility you have.

    Despite the MSM and Democrats best efforts the truth will out.


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    #986
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    The Phantom Jipper wrote: »
    Trump is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate a political opponent, and used taxpayer funds as leverage to get them to do so. His own public statements and transcript confirm this.

    And he came out and did it again on camera, saying the US has tremendous power to make China do what it wants, and 30 seconds later telling them to investigate the Bidens.


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    #987
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,258 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    mad muffin wrote: »
    First of all he’s not being impeached.

    Second you are simply spreading lies.

    Third. When you invoke the “conspiracy theories” card you have lost any of the little credibility you have.

    Despite the MSM and Democrats best efforts the truth will out.

    Indeed and trump will go to prison.


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    #988
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,865 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Indeed and trump will go to prison.

    Next term aside. The GOP are such a complete mess they won't find him guilty in an impeachment trial - the defense they are putting up at the minute is as laughable as it is shameful. Trump gets his Not Guilty - Witch Hunt.

    The only way Trump is relinquishing the White House now is if he "voluntarily" does it. That will come with a pardon from Pence - so no prison.

    If he were to leave there would be deals and assurances all over the shop which would insure he goes back to his life without prosecution. I have a sense he no longer wants the job he didn't really want in the first place and if he can control his exit he will.

    American politics has always been a slow moving train crash, Trump has stepped on the accelerator, very interesting time to live through all the same.

    If he stays on, I would not rule out a 2nd term. The Dems have had 3 odd years to get their act together, I think it is the most divided I have ever seen them.


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    #989
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Did some research.. "Pinocchio could only have told 13 lies before his nose became so long his neck would have broken, scientists have concluded."

    How many lies is trump currently on?
    One has to wonder if, as the democrats and media claim, their numerous cases against Trump are so strong, why do they find it necessary to continually lie and make things up about him?


    Trumps presidency in a nutshell…
    https://vimeo.com/362919470

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #990
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If that bites him then Trumps appointments of his daughter, son in law etc into top positions should definitely be used against him
    In your dreams.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #991
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Someone get this lunatic out of the white house before it's too late.
    It will happen, don't fret, in about 6 years.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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