Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

Dbu · 02-10-2019 10:42AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Deirdre Forde is looking for the road to be signed over, unsure how he managed it, but that road is his baby, i'd love to know was the plaza his idea as well.

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

Cork Trucker · 02-10-2019 10:46AM

Dbu wrote: »

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

And you're 100% correct, i'm hoping (what little there is) that they will just redesign it in a way that means the road stays closed, before the redevelopment that shopping centre was still busy but the traffic was still flowing better than it had been upto August 31st. Alas it won't happen as Clayton Love has said it will be rebuilt as it was.

who_me · 02-10-2019 10:58AM

Dbu wrote: »

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

Traffic is busier on Church St. though. So I'm not sure if it's "better" so much as it's been routed to another junction.

zilog_jones · 02-10-2019 11:06AM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/douglas-traders-hopeful-of-temporary-retail-site-954304.html

In-limbo traders of the fire-hit Douglas Village Shopping Centre in Cork have prepared plans for a temporary mini-retail park nearby amid mounting uncertainty over the future of the complex...

KCross · 02-10-2019 11:09AM

dory wrote: »

The traffic is amazing since the road closed. Pity there’s not a way to reopen Tesco but keep that road closed off.

Dbu wrote: »

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

Could that also simply be because there is less traffic now that the centre is closed?

marno21 · 02-10-2019 11:09AM

Traffic is absolutely scandalous on the N28 and Douglas flyover instead though. Which is better for Douglas and would be better in the long run if extra lanes could be added to the N28 and N40

Coming from Carrigaline I’ve taken to using Donnybrook Hill over Carr’s Hill

Cork Trucker · 02-10-2019 11:13AM

marno21 wrote: »

Traffic is absolutely scandalous on the N28 and Douglas flyover instead though. Which is better for Douglas and would be better in the long run if extra lanes could be added to the N28 and N40

Coming from Carrigaline I’ve taken to using Donnybrook Hill over Carr’s Hill

Well hopefully we get welcome news on the N28 issue shortly, as for the Douglas flyover, ideally it could do with being widened, but i don't see how.

kub · 02-10-2019 02:35PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Well hopefully we get welcome news on the N28 issue shortly, as for the Douglas flyover, ideally it could do with being widened, but i don't see how.

I hope you are right, but I fear an appeal to the Supreme court

Be right back · 02-10-2019 02:44PM

Does anyone know if any of the smaller shops were able to relocate?

Cork Trucker · 02-10-2019 03:24PM

kub wrote: »

I hope you are right, but I fear an appeal to the Supreme court

The European Courts of Justice more like

Cork Trucker · 02-10-2019 03:25PM

Be right back wrote: »

Does anyone know if any of the smaller shops were able to relocate?

Unsure on that, the article I posted earlier today says some have gone out of business

airy fairy · 02-10-2019 03:28PM

Not sure how true it is or not, but the car that started this has not been inspected, and they are hoping everything stays intact during demolition so said car can be extracted.
If that's the case, this is gonna be a long wait to see what happens.

zilog_jones · 02-10-2019 03:46PM

Pretty sure that car was removed long ago.

Cork Trucker · 02-10-2019 04:49PM

airy fairy wrote: »

Not sure how true it is or not, but the car that started this has not been inspected, and they are hoping everything stays intact during demolition so said car can be extracted.
If that's the case, this is gonna be a long wait to see what happens.

There was some sort of inspection done on it in the car park, then it was covered, unsure what's next for it.

beer enigma · 02-10-2019 05:14PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/douglas-traders-hopeful-of-temporary-retail-site-954304.html

Hoping to relocate into containers on the Woollen Mills site, but sadly saying that some traders have already gone out of business.

lilmissprincess · 02-10-2019 10:39PM

Would it not make more sense for some of the traders to go into the empty lots in the other shopping centre? Or is there something in particular blocking that happening? Just noticing there are quite a few empty shopfronts in the Douglas Court centre which could do well from even a temporary filling by those waiting for Douglas Village to reopen..

beer enigma · 02-10-2019 11:29PM

lilmissprincess wrote: »

Would it not make more sense for some of the traders to go into the empty lots in the other shopping centre? Or is there something in particular blocking that happening? Just noticing there are quite a few empty shopfronts in the Douglas Court centre which could do well from even a temporary filling by those waiting for Douglas Village to reopen..

I think the idea is that the containers would be rent free to help the small traders get back on their feet whereas Douglas Court being privately owned would want rent from anyone occupying space.

Cork Trucker · 03-10-2019 07:27AM

AFAIK Douglas Court is also owned by a certain Mr Love, according the article from 1999 he did anyway, but may have changed ownership since.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/8m-expansion-planned-for-shopping-centre-1.153973

kub · 03-10-2019 07:56AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

AFAIK Douglas Court is also owned by a certain Mr Love, according the article from 1999 he did anyway, but may have changed ownership since.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/8m-expansion-planned-for-shopping-centre-1.153973

It has changed hands a few times since then, rumour has it that Dunnes bought the remainder of Douglas Court last year so as well as always owning their own section they now apparently own the whole centre.
AFAIK Clayton Love lost Douglas Court and Blackpool centres to Nama.

snotboogie · 03-10-2019 09:05AM

kub wrote: »

It has changed hands a few times since then, rumour has it that Dunnes bought the remainder of Douglas Court last year so as well as always owning their own section they now apparently own the whole centre.
AFAIK Clayton Love lost Douglas Court and Blackpool centres to Nama.

I think he runs it and has some official listing as a part owner but Deutsche Bank are by far the biggest stakeholders in Douglas Village, Douglas Court, the Cinema site and the empty plot where the market is.

Hibernicis · 04-10-2019 02:09PM

kub wrote: »

AFAIK Clayton Love lost Douglas Court and Blackpool centres to Nama.

Correct.

Douglas Developments Limited (a subsidiary of the Love family owned Shipton Group) lost control of Douglas Village SC when it was purchased by investment firm Varde Partners as part of the Spectrum portfolio in 2014. It had been put into receivership in 2012 by Bank of Scotland.

Shipton also lost control of Blackpool SC when it was purchased by Varde Partners as part of the Project Acorn portfolio in 2014.

Douglas Village Shopping Centre was developed by Clayton Love in the early 1970s and sold in 1990. The Love family reacquired it (from Owen O’Callaghan) in 1999. They also acquired a lot of property between the two centers (the old CSB/TSB admin building, cinema etc) with a view to linking them and developing hotels etc.

The Wilton Shopping Centre which was developed by the Love family in the 1970s was a sold by them to IPUT in the 1980s. It has a number of subsequent owners, including Tesco. It was sold as part of the Project Hazel portfolio in 2016. Tesco retained ownership of their store.

airy fairy · 04-10-2019 02:34PM

The engineer that was part of approving the centre as we know it, left the planning office joined Clayton Love....left him after the downturn and went back to planning.

sondagefaux · 04-10-2019 07:45PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Well hopefully we get welcome news on the N28 issue shortly, as for the Douglas flyover, ideally it could do with being widened, but i don't see how.

Doable but it would be a huge (and presumably very expensive) job:

https://menardoceania.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2014-An-Innovative-Construction-Technique-For-Extensions-To-Existing-Reinforced-Earth-Retaining-Walls.pdf

https://dot.ca.gov/-/media/dot-media/programs/engineering/documents/memotodesigner/9-3-a11y.pdf

Mardyke · 04-10-2019 08:10PM

airy fairy wrote: »

The engineer that was part of approving the centre as we know it, left the planning office joined Clayton Love....left him after the downturn and went back to planning.

Ireland.

namloc1980 · 04-10-2019 08:32PM

Mardyke wrote: »

Ireland.

Is that uniquely Irish or something?

kub · 04-10-2019 09:13PM

airy fairy wrote: »

The engineer that was part of approving the centre as we know it, left the planning office joined Clayton Love....left him after the downturn and went back to planning.

Whilst not doubting your post, I thought that during the downturn that they were re allocating staff from the planning office to social welfare etc..

Hmmm construction industry, developers, planners where did I come across that before ?

Chris_5339762 · 04-10-2019 09:27PM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Doable but it would be a huge (and presumably very expensive) job:

https://menardoceania.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2014-An-Innovative-Construction-Technique-For-Extensions-To-Existing-Reinforced-Earth-Retaining-Walls.pdf

https://dot.ca.gov/-/media/dot-media/programs/engineering/documents/memotodesigner/9-3-a11y.pdf

Its doable, you could put a third lane westbound (or extend a slip road from the M28 all the way over on a seperate bridge tightly up against the current one). There is easily space for it by knocking like one or two small buildings. Eastbound isn't as much of an issue, as you're limited by the tunnel at the end of the day.

TheChizler · 05-10-2019 08:03PM

I've heard second hand from one of the traders that they were blocked from moving into Douglas Court by the equivalent trader there, they're afraid of competition. Not confident how accurate that is so wont say what type of trader.

beer enigma · 10-10-2019 11:18AM

Anyone heard if the 1 hour free parking will remain on the cinema site after they close today ?

airy fairy · 10-10-2019 11:34AM

Are they knocking the cinema?
I couldn't imagine they'll leave cars park there while doing any remedial works?
Will it be a sole Aldi carpark when opened or who owns the carpark there?

Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

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