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Porsche Taycan
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01-10-2019 9:22pm#1Porsche Taycan
0-100: 2.6s
0-160: 5.3s
0-200: 8.4s
0-250: 13.0s
As quick as a €1,000,000 limited edition Ferrari LaFerrari and costs €2 per 100km on night rate electricity
Anyone here ordering one?
2 speed gearbox makes some difference after 140km/h, it pulls like a McLaren and it weights 2200kg
All performance cars will be electrified very soon, power delivery can't be matched by petrol anymore1
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64436
The performance at that weight is mind blowing, it's the weight of transit van
The current transit van is under 2 tonnes
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Porsche Taycan
Anyone here ordering one?
Yes................... if I win the euromillions tonight!
Its an amazing looking car inside and out. The range is the only disappointing part considering there is such a big battery in it but at that weight and with that performance it somewhat explains it.0 -
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The use of the word "turbo" in the official name of the Taycan is the work of imbeciles.
One of the worlds greatest in automotive history of the past 50 years was Ferdinand Piëch, who passed away suddenly a few weeks ago, seemingly from a heart attack. Not even a mention of his passing on the main motors forum :rolleyes:
More than most of the old crowd in VAG / Porsche, he was very much moving on to full EVs. He had started a very promising looking EV setup with his son. It launched at Geneva earlier this year::format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/15593703/Matk_Zero_red.jpg)
I just hope his heart attack wasn't caused in any way by this new naming strategy from Porsche
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Are you extracting the urine? It can charge at 260kw+ and can go from 0% to 80% in just over 20 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpk2e9ap3k
I would have been of the same opinion until I sat down and understood that charging does not happen at a constant rate, and that efficienty play a big part in range added. Its a deep dive but check out this video and this is the important chart. A Model 3 makes the Tycan seem very poor, again for the price (you could have 4 model 3's for the price of a top of the line Taycan). Its easy allow the marketing fluff throw you off on this, charging is a complex multi factor process. In the same 20 minutes the Tycan gets 300km range a model 3 gets over 375km....thats a big delta. Still good, but nothing to shout about.
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »There is a all electric 911 coming. That will be the defining car of this new EV era, espically if they can retain the things that makes the 911 a classic.
I think when a 60 grand Tesla model 3 can do 3.2s 0-60mph that shaving half a second off that for an extra 150+ grand is nothing to shout about. I want to know how does it handle?....whats on track range?. Seeing as this is the first of a generation is the tech reliable? What makes it worth so much over its Tesla rivals.
EV redefine performance stats, and IMHO the performance stats are becoming and irrelevance. I find after 3 or 4 launches at that sort of speed I feel a bit sick, and its impossible get up to high speeds on public roads.
I good try by porsche but I am yet to be impressed knowing the stats its rivals have had since 2012.
Its a Porsche
Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks
P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful
Dont get your stats since 2012?
Who cares about range, these are performance saloons
P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox
Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are
Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks
The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars
If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that
They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs
Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla0 -
Its a Porsche
Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks
P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful
Dont get your stats since 2012?
Who cares about range, these are performance saloons, its got enough range
P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox
Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are
Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks, it's way faster
The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars
If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that
They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs
Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla
the fact youre even comparing the two shows how impressive the tesla is.
the model s is a family saloon that happens to have a lot of power
the taycan is a full on sportscar, chalk and cheese if you ask me.
also ,the model s plaid gimped the taycans lap by 20 seconds around the ring? and has already been confirmed (afaik) as being next years upgraded model s production.0 -
Yep, I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. However they are a good performance car and have good branding. Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.Its a Porsche
A rather old fashioned view, the quality of the Model 3 is miles above the original Model s and Tesla is regularly close to the top of reliability and safety tests.Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks
Top end power is not woeful, its excellent. But its not as good as cars twice its price. Its the gearing (or lack of gearing). Its designed for fast starts and not of speeds after the 1/4 mile.P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful
Original Model S p100d was launched in 2012. Its an 8 year old car, the fact that there can be arguments with a brand new Porsche for twice the price is amazing.Dont get your stats since 2012?
On track range has yet to be tested, and range is important in and EV. You need to know that if you drive fast for 10 minutes that you dont cut your range in half and can get home. I agree its not the be all and end all, and I would be more forgiving of a EV 911, but this is a 4 door saloon car so its multi functional.Who cares about range, these are performance saloons, its got enough range
Model 3 P doesnt.....and its cheaper. I actually think the model 3 p is more of a rival if handling and performance are what you after. At a 1/4 the price.P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox
Well what is its other trick? No range, charging is fast but adds no range, 0-60 not as fast as a tesla, none of the tesla gagets, massive price, fussy interior is 5 fecking screens. As yet un reviewed driving dynamics and track times.Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are
Model S Plaid is announced and monsters it around tracks.Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks, it's way faster
You need to do your research before posting. Took me 1 minute find this.The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars
Thats why I think its a silly metric as I said in the post you quoted.If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that
Well thats useful where...not on the road, the drag strip, and not on the track.They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs
So would I, but money is an object, and also the Model S plaid put the spanner in the works, it would be launched by the time the Taycan ships to customers. I dont know how keen I would be to buy the first generation of a Porsche EV given the reliability issues Porsche has with ICE cars they have build for 90 years. You have to consider a cars price with the rivals. You could have pretty much any can you want for the cost of a fully specced Turbo S taycan, likely €250k in ireland.Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla
Look I think the Taycan is great. Nice and conventional, super expensive. But the stats are disappointing as somebody who wanted a allocation on a Taycan. There was a change of battery manufacturer 3 times during production which makes me very nervous. I look forward to a proper review of the Taycan...but at the moment, I am unconvinced. Open to change my mind, but I am not a fanboy and go with the evidence.0 -
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I would have thought it was designed for people who want a Porsche but also need a car that will take the family
lolz; isn't that what a 911 is ??
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Yep, I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. However they are a good performance car and have good branding. Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.
A rather old fashioned view, the quality of the Model 3 is miles above the original Model s and Tesla is regularly close to the top of reliability and safety tests.
Top end power is not woeful, its excellent. But its not as good as cars twice its price. Its the gearing (or lack of gearing). Its designed for fast starts and not of speeds after the 1/4 mile.
Original Model S p100d was launched in 2012. Its an 8 year old car, the fact that there can be arguments with a brand new Porsche for twice the price is amazing.
On track range has yet to be tested, and range is important in and EV. You need to know that if you drive fast for 10 minutes that you dont cut your range in half and can get home. I agree its not the be all and end all, and I would be more forgiving of a EV 911, but this is a 4 door saloon car so its multi functional.
Model 3 P doesnt.....and its cheaper. I actually think the model 3 p is more of a rival if handling and performance are what you after. At a 1/4 the price.
Well what is its other trick? No range, charging is fast but adds no range, 0-60 not as fast as a tesla, none of the tesla gagets, massive price, fussy interior is 5 fecking screens. As yet un reviewed driving dynamics and track times.
Model S Plaid is announced and monsters it around tracks.
You need to do your research before posting. Took me 1 minute find this.
Thats why I think its a silly metric as I said in the post you quoted.
Well thats useful where...not on the road, the drag strip, and not on the track.
So would I, but money is an object, and also the Model S plaid put the spanner in the works, it would be launched by the time the Taycan ships to customers. I dont know how keen I would be to buy the first generation of a Porsche EV given the reliability issues Porsche has with ICE cars they have build for 90 years. You have to consider a cars price with the rivals. You could have pretty much any can you want for the cost of a fully specced Turbo S taycan, likely €250k in ireland.
Look I think the Taycan is great. Nice and conventional, super expensive. But the stats are disappointing as somebody who wanted a allocation on a Taycan. There was a change of battery manufacturer 3 times during production which makes me very nervous. I look forward to a proper review of the Taycan...but at the moment, I am unconvinced. Open to change my mind, but I am not a fanboy and go with the evidence.
All well & good, and I have a very large 5-figure repair bill for my 996 in my recent past, so whilst a marque fan, I'm not blinded to their weaknesses..
That said, Tesla's issue for me is: durablility and quality (paint, panels, NVH, trim) - whether you like Porsche's or not, the fact is they have an actual grounding in car manufacture, now with added tech. They even pioneered body galvanising.
Tesla's otoh are a Tech company....with car manufacture added. I know what a 10-20 yr old Porche with 6-figure mileage is like on our roads, in our climate. The Tesla is still unproven in that regard.
I think discussion about ultimate performance, acceleration are largely academic at the very high level both are at. Neither will influence your trip down to Lidl or Tesco .
Both are big money, so it is a very First World Problem in either case.Ode To The Motorist
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.
Assuming you are only talking about Porsches from say the last two decades, aren't you missing a car in that list?
Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws.
Build quality of modern Porsches is extremely high. They have had one major flaw (IMS bearing) in the flat 6 engine that went into all the 911 / Cayman / Boxster of a whole generation which wrecked a lot of engines. I wouldn't call it plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. These cars are meant to be driven hard and they are well able for it.My ads on adverts.ie
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Thats exactly the issue....For all Porsches experiance building cars they have little experiance with technology, batteries and electric motors. Its not that this levels the playing field its that Tesla are years ahead in that area. In this place....their heritage means nothing, and in general the German motor industry are very resistant to embrace this technology and change their ways.
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Henry Catchpole (evo, ex-evo?) in the Taycan.
An interesting take.
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Never....BMW all the way, credit where credit is due however, and at the same time no credit where no credit is due.
Well said.
I'm BMW too, most of my cars have been BMW. Haven't owned one in 3 years though. When it was time to replace my petrol straight six E60 with something newer, there were no petrol BMW alternatives. Or other suitable decent petrol cars. So I bought an EV. If BMW had an EV similar to the Tesla Model 3 performance, I'm sure you would have bought that instead of the Tesla. But like you say - no credit where no credit is due.My ads on adverts.ie
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Nah they retrained him from the IMS bearing design team
...that's just it: there was no IMS. Design. At all.
....nor, it would appear, an exhaust valve seat team either....amhik :rolleyes:Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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Skye Incalculable Bumper wrote: »Nah they retrained him from the IMS bearing design team
...that's just it: there was no IMS. Design. At all.
....nor, it would appear, an exhaust valve seat team either....amhik :rolleyes:Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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Old diesel wrote: »Everyone raves about the Taycan when up against the Model S.
A Model 3 comparison would be interesting given that Tesla progressed with Model 3.
Does a Model 3 represent a better car at its price point then Taycan at Taycans higher price point.
IMO each of the Taycan, etron/iPace/EQC, Model 3, S, X are compelling in their own way, it just boils down to the permutation of range, cabin quality, acceleration, noise suppression and seating you want/need, and your budget.
If only Tesla would spend a bit of money on interior finish (and maybe offer an optional lux pack with thicker glass and more noise suppression) they would be unbeatable.
They're a bit like Lambo before it was bought out by Audi, except that Audi can't afford to buy Tesla. 0 -
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Aye. Tesla Model 3 performance is also one of the few EVs that are great value for money at the moment. Not so sure if I would call the Porsche even reasonable good value for money My ads on adverts.ie
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