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Porsche Taycan

  • 01-10-2019 9:22pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Porsche Taycan

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    0-100: 2.6s
    0-160: 5.3s
    0-200: 8.4s
    0-250: 13.0s

    As quick as a €1,000,000 limited edition Ferrari LaFerrari and costs €2 per 100km on night rate electricity :)

    Anyone here ordering one?

    2 speed gearbox makes some difference after 140km/h, it pulls like a McLaren and it weights 2200kg

    All performance cars will be electrified very soon, power delivery can't be matched by petrol anymore


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭ Andrewf20


    Crazy weight though. 2.2 tons! BMW i8 much lighter so id imagine the BMW would be more fun in the corners. Lovely looking car though.

    Crazy speeds are not so practical in this day and age with the war on speed, so I find their appeal limited in that regard also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Andrewf20 wrote: »
    Crazy weight though. 2.2 tons! BMW i8 much lighter so id imagine the BMW would be more fun in the corners. Lovely looking car though.

    It's even heavier, got weight wrong

    2,358kg

    The performance at that weight is mind blowing, it's the weight of transit van

    A Mclaren 720s weights 900kg less with the same bhp more or less and this thing hangs with it all the way up to 180km/h


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    The performance at that weight is mind blowing, it's the weight of transit van

    The current transit van is under 2 tonnes

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Skye Incalculable Bumper


    Its a very interesting car. I kinda want to see a EV 911 before your can say sports cars are now truely electric.The Taycan is more a full electic smaller Panamera Hybrid.

    I emailed Porsche Center looking for an allocation on a Taycan a few months ago...no reply. That was before I saw the price....This high perofrmance Taycan is twice the price of the Model S with the model s having better performance....the regular turbo Taycan twice the price of a model 3 with the same performance.

    We have also yet to see a Taycan around a track.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭ redlead


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Porsche Taycan

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    Anyone here ordering one?

    Yes................... if I win the euromillions tonight!

    Its an amazing looking car inside and out. The range is the only disappointing part considering there is such a big battery in it but at that weight and with that performance it somewhat explains it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Its a very interesting car. I kinda want to see a EV 911 before your can say sports cars are now truely electric.The Taycan is more a full electic smaller Panamera Hybrid.

    I emailed Porsche Center looking for an allocation on a Taycan a few months ago...no reply. That was before I saw the price....This high perofrmance Taycan is twice the price of the Model S with the model s having better performance....the regular turbo Taycan twice the price of a model 3 with the same performance.

    We have also yet to see a Taycan around a track.

    Model S better performance ?

    Have you watched that video?

    No Tesla accelerates like the Taycan, look at it's 0-250, it's like 13 seconds

    P100D ( fastest Tesla ) takes forever to get to 250, well over 20 seconds, after 100km/h it's nothing special



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭ catharsis


    If they had launched with the cheaper ones then maybe, but for me by launching only the higher-end models first what they have done is invited Panamera buyers to buy electric, not invite Tesla/eTron buyers to buy a Porsche.

    I guess if they didn't already have a 2-year full order book that would have been a very bad business decision..... which proves the value of my opinion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    catharsis wrote: »
    If they had launched with the cheaper ones then maybe, but for me by launching only the higher-end models first what they have done is invited Panamera buyers to buy electric, not invite Tesla/eTron buyers to buy a Porsche.

    I guess if they didn't already have a 2-year full order book that would have been a very bad business decision..... which proves the value of my opinion

    Its Porsche man

    If you want a cheaper one, buy an Audi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832



    We have also yet to see a Taycan around a track.

    Its done the ring

    7:42


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭ catharsis


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its Porsche man

    If you want a cheaper one, buy an Audi

    To be clear there were 4 announced models 3 of which they originally said were being released at Frankfurt, and for which they gave out guide pricing.

    At some point the Taycan and Taycan S disappeared and only the Taycan Turbo and the Taycan Turbo S (which was not originally promised at frankfurt or in 2019, unlike the other 3) were revealed.

    But there will be 4 Taycan models, and I would be quite happy with a Taycan without a turbo.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    The use of the word "turbo" in the official name of the Taycan is the work of imbeciles.

    One of the worlds greatest in automotive history of the past 50 years was Ferdinand Piëch, who passed away suddenly a few weeks ago, seemingly from a heart attack. Not even a mention of his passing on the main motors forum :rolleyes:

    More than most of the old crowd in VAG / Porsche, he was very much moving on to full EVs. He had started a very promising looking EV setup with his son. It launched at Geneva earlier this year:

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    I just hope his heart attack wasn't caused in any way by this new naming strategy from Porsche :(

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭ ELM327


    Too heavy
    Charges too slow (in terms of range added)
    Short range.
    P100D Ludicrous is a better option.

    The only benefit to a Taycan is the acceleration in the second gearbox range above 140-150 km/h. Which you are not likely to ever use.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,515 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen


    I've always found the Panamera repulsive, it's a real "global car", i.e. designed for China.

    This is lovely by comparison.

    It isn't a true sports car though, in the same way as a Model 3 isn't. Maybe the whole idea of an sports car is anachronistic with EVs. Torque everywhere, no gears (ignoring the Taycan hack), 2 tonne weight. Where is the delicacy and interactivity?

    It's like every performance car is going to be a Nissan GTR.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,618 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    Lumen wrote: »
    I've always found the Panamera repulsive, it's a real "global car", i.e. designed for China.

    .

    I would have thought it was designed for people who want a Porsche but also need a car that will take the family


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Skye Incalculable Bumper


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Model S better performance ?

    Have you watched that video?

    No Tesla accelerates like the Taycan, look at it's 0-250, it's like 13 seconds

    P100D ( fastest Tesla ) takes forever to get to 250, well over 20 seconds, after 100km/h it's nothing special


    I have watched P100d monster Huricanes and M5's and 911 Turbo S on dragstrips....I suppose for TWICE the price the porsche should have some advantages, would be nicer if they were ones you could actually use.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its done the ring

    7:42

    Nope....preproduction only. Need to see production car times yet. If thats the case the Model S plaid did 7:20.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,515 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen


    ted1 wrote: »
    I would have thought it was designed for people who want a Porsche but also need a car that will take the family
    That would be the Macan, surely?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭ MadYaker


    Seems awfully expensive and has crap range. The numbers are great but you can’t use it like that on public roads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,618 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    Lumen wrote: »
    That would be the Macan, surely?

    Not many people grew up wishing they had a Porsche SUV. They would have wanted a 911 or similar. Which is closer to the pan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Skye Incalculable Bumper


    ted1 wrote: »
    Not many people grew up wishing they had a Porsche SUV. They would have wanted a 911 or similar. Which is closer to the pan.

    There is a all electric 911 coming. That will be the defining car of this new EV era, espically if they can retain the things that makes the 911 a classic.

    I think when a 60 grand Tesla model 3 can do 3.2s 0-60mph that shaving half a second off that for an extra 150+ grand is nothing to shout about. I want to know how does it handle?....whats on track range?. Seeing as this is the first of a generation is the tech reliable? What makes it worth so much over its Tesla rivals.

    EV redefine performance stats, and IMHO the performance stats are becoming and irrelevance. I find after 3 or 4 launches at that sort of speed I feel a bit sick, and its impossible get up to high speeds on public roads.

    I good try by porsche but I am yet to be impressed knowing the stats its rivals have had since 2012.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭ RedorDead


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Too heavy
    Charges too slow (in terms of range added)
    Short range.
    P100D Ludicrous is a better option.

    The only benefit to a Taycan is the acceleration in the second gearbox range above 140-150 km/h. Which you are not likely to ever use.

    Are you extracting the urine? It can charge at 260kw+ and can go from 0% to 80% in just over 20 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpk2e9ap3k


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Skye Incalculable Bumper


    RedorDead wrote: »
    Are you extracting the urine? It can charge at 260kw+ and can go from 0% to 80% in just over 20 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpk2e9ap3k

    I would have been of the same opinion until I sat down and understood that charging does not happen at a constant rate, and that efficienty play a big part in range added. Its a deep dive but check out this video and this is the important chart. A Model 3 makes the Tycan seem very poor, again for the price (you could have 4 model 3's for the price of a top of the line Taycan). Its easy allow the marketing fluff throw you off on this, charging is a complex multi factor process. In the same 20 minutes the Tycan gets 300km range a model 3 gets over 375km....thats a big delta. Still good, but nothing to shout about.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=649&v=e5jasmq1fYo


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭ ELM327


    RedorDead wrote: »
    Are you extracting the urine? It can charge at 260kw+ and can go from 0% to 80% in just over 20 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpk2e9ap3k


    260kW is great but due to crap efficiency and short range, it doesnt add that many kilometers. The model 3 adds more range in shorter time.


    Also at 800v it should charge much faster!


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,515 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen


    ted1 wrote: »
    Not many people grew up wishing they had a Porsche SUV. They would have wanted a 911 or similar. Which is closer to the pan.
    But the Panamera is just fugly. That's my point.

    The Macan has a lovely arse, whereas the Panamera looks like a dog taking a dump.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    There is a all electric 911 coming. That will be the defining car of this new EV era, espically if they can retain the things that makes the 911 a classic.

    I think when a 60 grand Tesla model 3 can do 3.2s 0-60mph that shaving half a second off that for an extra 150+ grand is nothing to shout about. I want to know how does it handle?....whats on track range?. Seeing as this is the first of a generation is the tech reliable? What makes it worth so much over its Tesla rivals.

    EV redefine performance stats, and IMHO the performance stats are becoming and irrelevance. I find after 3 or 4 launches at that sort of speed I feel a bit sick, and its impossible get up to high speeds on public roads.

    I good try by porsche but I am yet to be impressed knowing the stats its rivals have had since 2012.

    Its a Porsche

    Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks

    P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful

    Dont get your stats since 2012?

    Who cares about range, these are performance saloons

    P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox

    Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are

    Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks

    The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars

    If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that :)

    They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs

    Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭ copeyhagen


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its a Porsche

    Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks

    P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful

    Dont get your stats since 2012?

    Who cares about range, these are performance saloons, its got enough range

    P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox

    Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are

    Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks, it's way faster

    The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars

    If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that :)

    They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs

    Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla

    the fact youre even comparing the two shows how impressive the tesla is.

    the model s is a family saloon that happens to have a lot of power
    the taycan is a full on sportscar, chalk and cheese if you ask me.

    also ,the model s plaid gimped the taycans lap by 20 seconds around the ring? and has already been confirmed (afaik) as being next years upgraded model s production.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Skye Incalculable Bumper


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its a Porsche
    Yep, I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. However they are a good performance car and have good branding. Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Tesla is made like a Dacia in comparison, made by yanks
    A rather old fashioned view, the quality of the Model 3 is miles above the original Model s and Tesla is regularly close to the top of reliability and safety tests.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    P100D is nothing but a muscle car, good up to 1/4 mile, after that it's done and gets blown away by proper performance cars, it's top end power is awful
    Top end power is not woeful, its excellent. But its not as good as cars twice its price. Its the gearing (or lack of gearing). Its designed for fast starts and not of speeds after the 1/4 mile.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Dont get your stats since 2012?
    Original Model S p100d was launched in 2012. Its an 8 year old car, the fact that there can be arguments with a brand new Porsche for twice the price is amazing.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Who cares about range, these are performance saloons, its got enough range
    On track range has yet to be tested, and range is important in and EV. You need to know that if you drive fast for 10 minutes that you dont cut your range in half and can get home. I agree its not the be all and end all, and I would be more forgiving of a EV 911, but this is a 4 door saloon car so its multi functional.

    Mike9832 wrote: »
    P100D overheats, cant go around a track like the ring without limp mode, pulls like a Golf Gti past 100mph with its single speed gearbox
    Model 3 P doesnt.....and its cheaper. I actually think the model 3 p is more of a rival if handling and performance are what you after. At a 1/4 the price.

    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Taycan has no such issues and isn't a one tricky pony 0-60 mph muscle car like Teslas are
    Well what is its other trick? No range, charging is fast but adds no range, 0-60 not as fast as a tesla, none of the tesla gagets, massive price, fussy interior is 5 fecking screens. As yet un reviewed driving dynamics and track times.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its like 10 seconds faster to 155mph than a P100D and can go around tracks, it's way faster
    Model S Plaid is announced and monsters it around tracks.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    The Tesla Plaid that went around the ring wont see production, Tesla have no history making track cars
    You need to do your research before posting. Took me 1 minute find this.
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    If we just used 0-60 mph 2.5 secs etc as a metric of performance , then F1 cars look rubbish, they can barely manage that :)
    Thats why I think its a silly metric as I said in the post you quoted.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    They then go onto 0-186mph in under 10 secs
    Well thats useful where...not on the road, the drag strip, and not on the track.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Money being no object I'd have this Porsche anyday over a Tesla
    So would I, but money is an object, and also the Model S plaid put the spanner in the works, it would be launched by the time the Taycan ships to customers. I dont know how keen I would be to buy the first generation of a Porsche EV given the reliability issues Porsche has with ICE cars they have build for 90 years. You have to consider a cars price with the rivals. You could have pretty much any can you want for the cost of a fully specced Turbo S taycan, likely €250k in ireland.

    Look I think the Taycan is great. Nice and conventional, super expensive. But the stats are disappointing as somebody who wanted a allocation on a Taycan. There was a change of battery manufacturer 3 times during production which makes me very nervous. I look forward to a proper review of the Taycan...but at the moment, I am unconvinced. Open to change my mind, but I am not a fanboy and go with the evidence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭ ELM327


    Model being no object I'd have a model X P100DL raven. Wouldnt go near the taycan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,533 ✭✭✭✭ galwaytt


    ted1 wrote: »
    I would have thought it was designed for people who want a Porsche but also need a car that will take the family

    lolz; isn't that what a 911 is ?? :D :pac::pac:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,533 ✭✭✭✭ galwaytt


    Yep, I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. However they are a good performance car and have good branding. Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.


    A rather old fashioned view, the quality of the Model 3 is miles above the original Model s and Tesla is regularly close to the top of reliability and safety tests.


    Top end power is not woeful, its excellent. But its not as good as cars twice its price. Its the gearing (or lack of gearing). Its designed for fast starts and not of speeds after the 1/4 mile.


    Original Model S p100d was launched in 2012. Its an 8 year old car, the fact that there can be arguments with a brand new Porsche for twice the price is amazing.


    On track range has yet to be tested, and range is important in and EV. You need to know that if you drive fast for 10 minutes that you dont cut your range in half and can get home. I agree its not the be all and end all, and I would be more forgiving of a EV 911, but this is a 4 door saloon car so its multi functional.



    Model 3 P doesnt.....and its cheaper. I actually think the model 3 p is more of a rival if handling and performance are what you after. At a 1/4 the price.


    Well what is its other trick? No range, charging is fast but adds no range, 0-60 not as fast as a tesla, none of the tesla gagets, massive price, fussy interior is 5 fecking screens. As yet un reviewed driving dynamics and track times.

    Model S Plaid is announced and monsters it around tracks.


    You need to do your research before posting. Took me 1 minute find this.
    Plaid-Tweet.png


    Thats why I think its a silly metric as I said in the post you quoted.


    Well thats useful where...not on the road, the drag strip, and not on the track.


    So would I, but money is an object, and also the Model S plaid put the spanner in the works, it would be launched by the time the Taycan ships to customers. I dont know how keen I would be to buy the first generation of a Porsche EV given the reliability issues Porsche has with ICE cars they have build for 90 years. You have to consider a cars price with the rivals. You could have pretty much any can you want for the cost of a fully specced Turbo S taycan, likely €250k in ireland.

    Look I think the Taycan is great. Nice and conventional, super expensive. But the stats are disappointing as somebody who wanted a allocation on a Taycan. There was a change of battery manufacturer 3 times during production which makes me very nervous. I look forward to a proper review of the Taycan...but at the moment, I am unconvinced. Open to change my mind, but I am not a fanboy and go with the evidence.

    All well & good, and I have a very large 5-figure repair bill for my 996 in my recent past, so whilst a marque fan, I'm not blinded to their weaknesses..

    That said, Tesla's issue for me is: durablility and quality (paint, panels, NVH, trim) - whether you like Porsche's or not, the fact is they have an actual grounding in car manufacture, now with added tech. They even pioneered body galvanising.

    Tesla's otoh are a Tech company....with car manufacture added. I know what a 10-20 yr old Porche with 6-figure mileage is like on our roads, in our climate. The Tesla is still unproven in that regard.

    I think discussion about ultimate performance, acceleration are largely academic at the very high level both are at. Neither will influence your trip down to Lidl or Tesco .

    Both are big money, so it is a very First World Problem in either case.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Remember that only the 911 and Caymen are good to dive...the rest of the range just lives off the halo.

    Assuming you are only talking about Porsches from say the last two decades, aren't you missing a car in that list? :p
    I have owned a 911 and can tell you that Porsche quality is a myth, they have plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws.

    Build quality of modern Porsches is extremely high. They have had one major flaw (IMS bearing) in the flat 6 engine that went into all the 911 / Cayman / Boxster of a whole generation which wrecked a lot of engines. I wouldn't call it plenty of issues and major mechanical flaws. These cars are meant to be driven hard and they are well able for it.

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