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Storm Lorenzo: October 3/4 2019 **Technical Discussion Only**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Cone is coming back towards Ireland in advisory 34

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    I made a statement earlier today that gfs had won this model battle and that it was game over. I was wrong a solution of half way house looks like being most possible and indeed a direct hit of sorts is favourite. The gfs never saw the undercut whereas the euros did. All eyes down for Icon and gfs 18z coming out soon. I think we can all safely say that nobody knows yet whether this will be a storm or not. Right now the sweet spot looks like the Sligo coast


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Met Eireann saying they won't focus on this until Wednesday when the likely pattern emerges.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Graces7 wrote: »
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    Ouch...west mayo offshore island....


    12 KM as the crows flies to the western seaboard and sittting on a mountain just to add to the potential fun.


    I'm very happy for this to veer off to the west somewhere in the Atlantic:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭Paddy223


    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Paddy223 wrote: »
    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick

    I'd say no. Max will be mid to high orange on western/northwestern counties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Reati


    Paddy223 wrote: »
    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick

    No. No day off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    10 pm Discussion
    500 PM AST Mon Sep 30 2019

    The wind field of Lorenzo continues to expand, with a trio of
    scatterometer overpasses showing that tropical-storm-force winds now
    extend up to 270 n mi from the center, while hurricane-force winds
    can be found up to 90 n mi from the center. A cloud-covered eye has
    been apparent throughout the day and cloud-top temperatures
    surrounding the eye have remained fairly consistent. The most recent
    Dvorak CI values from TAFB and SAB suggest Lorenzo is maintaining
    its strength at 90 kt, which will remain the initial intensity for
    this advisory. A drifting NOAA buoy near the eyewall of Lorenzo
    recently reported a pressure of 964.8 mb, supporting the minimum
    central pressure of 957 mb.

    Lorenzo continues moving north-northeastward at 13 kt, around the
    northwestern periphery of a subtropical ridge to its southeast. Over
    the next couple of days Lorenzo will be accelerated northeastward by
    increasing southwesterly flow ahead of a mid-latitude trough
    amplifying across the central Atlantic. This motion should take the
    core of Lorenzo near the western Azores late Tuesday and early
    Wednesday. The forecast track confidence remains high through 72
    hours. After that time, global models have come into a little better
    agreement on the future track of Lorenzo, with a turn to the right
    toward Ireland or the U.K. as a weakening extratropical low. The
    official forecast track is just a little to the right of the
    previous one and lies near the consensus aids.

    The environment surrounding Lorenzo is not expected to change much
    through tonight, and therefore the intensity should remain fairly
    steady. On Tuesday, the hurricane should begin gradually weakening
    as drier air entrains into the circulation and the system moves over
    progressively cooler waters. By 48 hours, the interaction with the
    approaching trough, an associated cold front, and very strong
    southwesterly shear will help transition Lorenzo into an
    extratropical low. This transition is expected to be complete by 72
    hours. The low is then expected to weaken and dissipate shortly
    after 96 hours. The official forecast was increased through
    the first 48 hours to reflect a more steady intensity in the near
    term, and then is blended close to the previous forecast after that
    time.

    Key Messages:

    1. Lorenzo is expected to bring hurricane and tropical storm force
    winds to the Azores beginning Tuesday night, and these conditions
    will continue into Wednesday. Hurricane and Tropical Storm Warnings
    are now in effect for the Azores.

    2. Large swells generated by Lorenzo will continue to spread across
    much of the north Atlantic basin during the next few days. These
    swells will produce life-threatening surf and rip currents.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 30/2100Z 30.9N 42.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
    12H 01/0600Z 32.8N 40.5W 90 KT 105 MPH
    24H 01/1800Z 36.1N 36.7W 85 KT 100 MPH
    36H 02/0600Z 40.3N 31.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
    48H 02/1800Z 45.9N 25.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
    72H 03/1800Z 55.2N 14.8W 60 KT 70 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    96H 04/1800Z 56.3N 10.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    120H 05/1800Z...DISSIPATED


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The 18z icon is keeping out West with little affect on Ireland and no undercut. Gfs up next


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    If this gets bad, could it potentially ground flights Friday Morning? Thx.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    nocoverart wrote: »
    If this gets bad, could it potentially ground flights Friday Morning? Thx.

    If it's windy, yes it could ground flights.

    However, we don't know if it'll be windy.

    If we did know, this thread would be alot shorter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Monkeynut


    JCX BXC wrote: »

    If we did know, this thread would be alot shorter.
    If it was really windy, i say the thread may be larger. :eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    High tides in the West of Ireland coinciding with the strongest onshore winds and Low Pressure.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Lorenzo, Ophelia lend an air of grace and gravitas to a storm.

    Barney.. whoever allowed or suggested that be a storm name. Sounds like an affable, oul drunk rustic from the midlands (where I'm from incase anyone takes offence).


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The first cirrus outflow bands are now visible from the Azores. This was taken from the westernmost island, Horta, this evening.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest microwave scan, with measured windspeeds of around 45-50 m/s (~85 knots).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Haven't really been following this too closely after my laptop decided to pack it in a couple of days ago, assumed it was the usual tabloid hype but reading through the thread has definitely piqued my interest!

    Looks to be filling by the time it reaches us but still packing a punch and might still have the remnants of some tropical rain bands (and maybe a ts or two)

    Will be interesting to watch on satellite as well, not too often we can watch an extra tropical transition on sat24!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Gfs 18z continues the theme of missing to our West but then turning right over Northern Ireland. Nothing really resolved until the morning runs. You would have to say though the best bet is a Norhwest and North coast event


  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    12 KM as the crows flies to the western seaboard and sittting on a mountain just to add to the potential fun.


    I'm very happy for this to veer off to the west somewhere in the Atlantic:eek:
    Tatranska, better batton down the greenhouse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭amandstu


    First Ophelia and now possibly Lorenzo.
    Is there a pattern here?

    With the additional unavoidable global warming as a result of our carbon emissions are we looking at fairly regular actual hurricanes in the medium term?

    Regular


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    This isn't an active hurricane hitting is, it's an ex-tropical storm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Capt. Autumn


    Wind map as on 23:30 on Sept 30th 2019.

    Nastiness.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is this "ex-hurricane " mullarkey getting a bit too frequent and close for comfort?

    Might this get worse over the next few years as temperatures at sea increase further?

    When was the last actual hurricane in Ireland? (I realize this one won't be but maybe in a few years...?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    amandstu wrote: »
    Is this "ex-hurricane " mullarkey getting a bit too frequent and close for comfort?

    Might this get worse over the next few years as temperatures at sea increase further?

    When was the last actual hurricane in Ireland? (I realize this one won't be but maybe in a few years...?)

    Last actual hurricane was Debbie 1961.

    We think.

    Satellites were new. Hurricane hunter flights were but a twinkle in Saffir and Simpson's eyes. It went extratropical somewhere between south of Kerry and north of Donegal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    Water is too cold around Ireland - we will never get a Hurricane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Delta2113 wrote: »
    Water is too cold around Ireland - we will never get a Hurricane.

    Pleased to hear that :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭alps


    Surfers surely heading for Bundoran...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Delta2113 wrote: »
    Water is too cold around Ireland - we will never get a Hurricane.

    I wouldn't say never. This will be the second cyclone in as many years to hit or come close to Ireland as a very-recently transitioned extratropical storm. Ophelia was classified as a hurricane as close as 500km from Ireland - only 300nm.

    Temperatures are rising - we'll leave the debate about why at the door but with rising temperatures will come more intense storms and when they wander east, we tend to be first in line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Maybe I'm just tired - but the image colouring makes it look like some mad demented chicken having a peck at Mayo & Sligo .... :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Watching the bbc forecast they don't seem anyway concerned by this other than a risk of some wind and rain. You would think they would share a concern for Northern Ireland.....
    Has it been over hyped.....possibly.
    A couple of points worth making.
    1) The main rainbelts stay offshore so the ppn from this looks minimal.
    2) No matter what route the storm takes it dies off exceptionally quickly.


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