Hare today, gone tomorrow.

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 04:36AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I admit to having gotten a little indignant there Emmet but I can't help it. It grates when people propose to make your friends or family redundant and to ban a sport you feel passionate about, on the basis of a clear lack of correct information.

Even if they still oppose hunting to hounds, I have respect people who bother to inform themselves on what the arguments are. There is no justification for wishing to put thousands of people out of work and destroy an important industry without doing any basic background check.

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

dohouch · 25-09-2019 05:00AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not the original poster but I personally find fat men absolutely disgusting to look at especially the middle-aged "salt of the earth" type, even though they're soft as ****e themselves. With massive tits.

I was unfortunate enough to have to sit at a table in a restaurant next to a very overweight man in his late forties and his son after the boy's soccer game on Saturday.

The older man was spraying his son with shards of roast beef slices, telling the boy that he was "too soft" in the game had just played and urged him to "forget all that tippy tappy ****e" and to "get stuck in" more.

This was athletic advice from a man who poured so much gravy over his dinner he could have drank it, and whose stink of stale cigarettes smelled so bad it was probably illegal for him to sit indoors where people were working.

I stole a glance at the boy and he was just staring down at his own plate in shame, especially when his old man was giving him even more grief for not taking a full plate and committing the atrocity of eating moderately.

Many men of this man's vintage love thinking that they're the last stand against the rise of effete snowflakes but examine their own behaviour at home and that's what you'll find. Gluttony. Sitting in front of a television drinking cans and eating takeaways. Smoking fags and gorging on plates of ice creams. Getting up only to take a ****e, scratch their hole or "let one rip." Soft. Soft. Weak men.

:D Geezus I loves a seeing an ol'hur spitting nails:eek::eek::eek:

cj maxx · 25-09-2019 08:08AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I was reading this morning that the presence of a deadly disease that kills rabbits and hares has been confirmed in six counties in Ireland. What's even more worrying is that the counties aren't next to each other, we have cases in Clare in the West, Offaly in the Midlands, Leitrim in the North West, and Wexford in the South East. One could then speculate that the disease is more widespread than we've detected so far.

Is now the time to look at a ban on hare coursing and the shooting of hares? Coursing involves trapping hares so they can be then be chased by greyhounds while fat men in flat caps gamble on the outcome. Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop. Blowing the head off a small animal is barbaric, and you should probably find a more satisfying hobby. Do the good people of AH agree?

Is it maxi ? Op

BattleCorp · 25-09-2019 08:51AM

Graces7 wrote: »

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

A lot of people in Ireland would have gone hungry without rabbits. We had rabbit regularly (weekly) when I was a kid.

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 10:07AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

A lot of people in Ireland would have gone hungry without rabbits. We had rabbit regularly (weekly) when I was a kid.

Not talking re food but coursing. Agree totally re rabbit.s Although my father decided to serve my pet rabbit up for dinner once without telling me who we were eating then claimed he has escaped..

Critters for food and critters for sport are 2 entirely different matters. I ran a smallholding for years. Cockerels were eaten.

topper75 · 25-09-2019 10:12AM

Graces7 wrote: »

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

There is occasion for such. Controlling deer population.
Letting them starve through over-pop and refusing to exercise our power to dispatch a portion of them each season in a pain-limiting rifle-crack instant would be more barbaric, no?

The Irish hunting fraternity is a broad group and no doubt there would be an element therein that won't win any empathy competition, but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

I couldn't justify shooting animals with natural predators like hares.

Hector Savage · 25-09-2019 10:49AM

JF should be on a commission from boards.ie|!!!

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 11:02AM

topper75 wrote: »

There is occasion for such. Controlling deer population.
Letting them starve through over-pop and refusing to exercise our power to dispatch a portion of them each season in a pain-limiting rifle-crack instant would be more barbaric, no?

The Irish hunting fraternity is a broad group and no doubt there would be an element therein that won't win any empathy competition, but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

I couldn't justify shooting animals with natural predators like hares.

way off topic again. See the thread title; about exploiting animals for frivolous purposes...as in hares?

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 11:16AM

Watching hares here racing in sheer exuberant freedom and joie de vivre across the fields in the dawn light is one of the greatest joys there is.

As they should be not captured and exploited

topper75 · 25-09-2019 11:19AM

Graces7 wrote: »

way off topic again. See the thread title; about exploiting animals for frivolous purposes...as in hares?

Yeah I was addressing your post, which did not specify hares at all, rather than the OP there.
"You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric."

YFlyer · 25-09-2019 11:23AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As far as I am aware all the hares which are used for the coursing are bred wild on Oyster island off the coast of Rosses Point Golf club. So if that gets contaminated there will be trouble for the coursing.
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Same with Whiddy island.

cj maxx · 25-09-2019 07:19PM

Googled it and seemingly maxi has infected hares
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/department-of-agriculture-on-alert-for-myxomatosis-in-hares-1.3664593%3Fmode%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwju7uDtyezkAhX4SBUIHa-ODeAQFjACegQIDBAK&usg=AOvVaw20BGhJJkVhQjpbfEJnn4Q5&ampcf=1&cshid=1569435525613

Greyfox · 25-09-2019 07:40PM

topper75 wrote: »

but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

Grand as long as you eat what you kill but if you don't eat it then your a supporter of cruelty to animals. Also what if the shooter doesn't get a clean shot. Yes I know the reasons for hunting but that doesn't make it ok.

bodhrandude · 25-09-2019 07:42PM

I thought this thread was a reference to one of the spoken parts in On The Run from Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon.

26-09-2019 01:47AM

Greyfox wrote: »

Grand as long as you eat what you kill but if you don't eat it then your a supporter of cruelty to animals.

This has already been answered, though.

It is Mother Nature's own personal diktat that any growing population, which population competes for food resources, will eventually be faced with starvation. Why do you think Renard ever shook his head in resignation and strolled into Dublin?

Nobody wants our wildlife to reach that point of overpopulation. It would arguably be cruel to allow an animal to starve instead humanely destroying it, just like you would a horse whose limb was fractured.

The fox is a better example, since nobody breeds them. Urban foxes are entering a completely different ecosystem than that which exists in the countryside. The lack of biodiversity in urban regions means that foxes are living longer with various parasites and infestations than would ever happen in a natural setting.

Its so much more complex than this daft (and completely false, ideological) notion that "it's cruel unless you eat it". Human beings are part of the ecosystem. If we are interested in preserving our ecosystem, then we must control both human activities, but also the overpopulation of certain other animal species, whether we eat those animals or not.

We need to strike the right balance. We all want foxes in the countryside, we all want a sustainable environment. But we want and we need a sustainable population.

harry Bailey esq · 26-09-2019 02:41AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Lamping is not done with a firearm, it's done with lurcher dogs. Rabbits are the usual prize, not hares. The airport is full of hares, tame as f*ck too. You'd walk from the Maldron over to T2 any hour of the day and you'll spot a few.

26-09-2019 03:09AM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Lamping is not done with a firearm, it's done with lurcher dogs. Rabbits are the usual prize, not hares. The airport is full of hares, tame as f*ck too. You'd walk from the Maldron over to T2 any hour of the day and you'll spot a few.

Also, I'd like to know more about the OP's logic.

Often when there's a disease outbreak, especially a highly transmissible disease, the veterinary advice will be in favour of culling. It's not entirely clear why the OP is advocating that humans should - suddenly - allow nature to take its course, if that is his suggestion. It's all very confusing.

If everyone stands back and allows disease to spread, surely that's the worst possible outcome? I don't know. Maybe those with impartial veterinary expertise can inform us.

Eddie B · 26-09-2019 06:43AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This has already been answered, though.

It is Mother Nature's own personal diktat that any growing population, which population competes for food resources, will eventually be faced with starvation. Why do you think Renard ever shook his head in resignation and strolled into Dublin?

Nobody wants our wildlife to reach that point of overpopulation. It would arguably be cruel to allow an animal to starve instead humanely destroying it, just like you would a horse whose limb was fractured.

The fox is a better example, since nobody breeds them. Urban foxes are entering a completely different ecosystem than that which exists in the countryside. The lack of biodiversity in urban regions means that foxes are living longer with various parasites and infestations than would ever happen in a natural setting.

Its so much more complex than this daft (and completely false, ideological) notion that "it's cruel unless you eat it". Human beings are part of the ecosystem. If we are interested in preserving our ecosystem, then we must control both human activities, but also the overpopulation of certain other animal species, whether we eat those animals or not.

We need to strike the right balance. We all want foxes in the countryside, we all want a sustainable environment. But we want and we need a sustainable population.

Very well put. A lot of people would rather believe that they do not interfere with wildlife populations, from human activities. Saying, nature will strike a balance if we just leave the animals be, sounds good, but this does not work. Our modern existence, continuously affect that balance. It is much easier to sleep at night, if you stick your head in the sand, and pretend that animals are like humans, and we will all live happily ever after, if people leave animals alone.

topper75 · 26-09-2019 09:33AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

I thought this thread was a reference to one of the spoken parts in On The Run from Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon.

Wasn't that spoken by an Irish guy who was working around the studio during those sessions?

EmmetSpiceland · 26-09-2019 10:55AM

topper75 wrote: »

Wasn't that spoken by an Irish guy who was working around the studio during those sessions?

I believe there’s two “Irishmen” on the album. The door man and, guitarist, Henry McCullough who was recording with Wings.

topper75 · 27-09-2019 10:02AM

Greyfox wrote: »

Grand as long as you eat what you kill but if you don't eat it then your a supporter of cruelty to animals. Also what if the shooter doesn't get a clean shot. Yes I know the reasons for hunting but that doesn't make it ok.

Crazy as I am for the taste of venison, I won't consume flesh of an animal with tumours. Plenty of scavengers to oblige with that.
I don't shoot myself but am friends with some who do.
Hunters can't guarantee clean shots of course, but they do all they can to minimise distance and get the 'engine room': heart/lungs. The animal doesn't know what hit them and just goes down right away. I wouldn't see the cruelty there. That is why firing squads aim for human hearts.

27-09-2019 09:09PM

Eddie B wrote: »

Very well put. A lot of people would rather believe that they do not interfere with wildlife populations, from human activities. Saying, nature will strike a balance if we just leave the animals be, sounds good, but this does not work. Our modern existence, continuously affect that balance. It is much easier to sleep at night, if you stick your head in the sand, and pretend that animals are like humans, and we will all live happily ever after, if people leave animals alone.

Things are fine for now, and there is no great demand for any legislative changes to the regulation of hunting. That's because, even in the cities, most of the population is probably no less than one generation away from rural life.

That means a good level of awareness and cohesion between town and country, but at the rate in which Ireland is urbanising, I suspect a noticeable crack is about to appear between city and rural populations. Hunting as we know it today will almost certainly not survive in its current form.

That's sad, but on the upside, it's great to be able to say you're glad you're living in an era where society's current values largely reflect your own, and there is relative harmony and agreement between town and country.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-09-2019 11:10PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0927/1078620-rabbits-graves-kerry/

A community in west Kerry says a plague of rabbits in the local graveyard is causing distress among relatives of those buried there.

OMG zombie rabbits :eek:

Deise Musashi · 28-09-2019 12:17AM

The OP is ascribing the spread of disease to hunters / coursers, how do they know this is the root cause?

I have observed over the years that "Myxi" outbreaks often occurred locally to me, when large forestry plantings had been set.
I'm not saying groups with an investment in forestry, such as Coillte, would have deliberately spread a disease to native wildlife, to prevent them eating the tips of the new growth forestry.

It was fairly predictable when an outbreak might take place spontaneously though.

28-09-2019 12:36AM

Deise Musashi wrote: »

I have observed over the years that "Myxi" outbreaks often occurred locally to me, when large forestry plantings had been set.
I'm not saying groups with an investment in forestry, such as Coillte, would have deliberately spread a disease to native wildlife, to prevent them eating the tips of the new growth forestry.

It was fairly predictable when an outbreak might take place spontaneously though.

Most forestry plantations are sitka spruce and other coniferous trees. Rabbits don't like these kinds of environments, they far prefer deciduous woodland; and even at that, they avoid deep forestry.

It's more likely that if there was indeed increased myxi which related to a new plantation, it was a result of rabbits migrating after having their warrens disturbed. Rabbits like to stay close to their warrens, and will move if upset. This can bring them into close proximity with other populations, causing changes in disease patterns.

sligojoek · 28-09-2019 02:19AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I believe there’s two “Irishmen” on the album. The door man and, guitarist, Henry McCullough who was recording with Wings.

Slightly OT but Henry played a few gigs in my local 12 or more years ago.

Sublime RIP

Deise Musashi wrote: »

The OP is ascribing the spread of disease to hunters / coursers, how do they know this is the root cause?

I have observed over the years that "Myxi" outbreaks often occurred locally to me, when large forestry plantings had been set.
I'm not saying groups with an investment in forestry, such as Coillte, would have deliberately spread a disease to native wildlife, to prevent them eating the tips of the new growth forestry.

It was fairly predictable when an outbreak might take place spontaneously though.

In the late 70s we, as teenagers, used to go out and kill "Myxi" rabbits in their hundreds. Walk up to them, pick them up and give them a "Rabbit punch". It was disgusting the way they were . They had to be put out of their misery.

Graces7 · 28-09-2019 02:39PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0927/1078620-rabbits-graves-kerry/

OMG zombie rabbits :eek:

Not funny. A serious matter for all with family buried there. They are seeking a humane way to control this.

JohnnyFlash · 28-09-2019 03:54PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Not funny. A serious matter for all with family buried there. They are seeking a humane way to control this.

A carrot through the heart?

28-09-2019 11:57PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Not funny. A serious matter for all with family buried there. They are seeking a humane way to control this.

What did they think happens when you bury large mammals in the earth? We don't lie there, incorruptible, until Judgment Day. We are a rich source of protein for underground creatures. Circle of life, innit.

At least rabbits are vegetarians. They have no interest in the dead; all they want is a bit of peace and quiet and an ocean view.

Hare today, gone tomorrow.

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