Hare today, gone tomorrow.

JohnnyFlash

I was reading this morning that the presence of a deadly disease that kills rabbits and hares has been confirmed in six counties in Ireland. What's even more worrying is that the counties aren't next to each other, we have cases in Clare in the West, Offaly in the Midlands, Leitrim in the North West, and Wexford in the South East. One could then speculate that the disease is more widespread than we've detected so far.

Is now the time to look at a ban on hare coursing and the shooting of hares? Coursing involves trapping hares so they can be then be chased by greyhounds while fat men in flat caps gamble on the outcome. Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop. Blowing the head off a small animal is barbaric, and you should probably find a more satisfying hobby. Do the good people of AH agree?

Dr. Bre

Great thread name!

Trigger Happy

Does coursing still happen?
I thought it had died a death when the dogs had to be muzzled? Suppose that's just the law which is ignored in a lot of cases?

Thelonious Monk

All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.

IAMAMORON

As far as I am aware all the hares which are used for the coursing are bred wild on Oyster island off the coast of Rosses Point Golf club. So if that gets contaminated there will be trouble for the coursing.

You either have an issue with blood sports or you don't. I watched the documentary on RTE on Sunday evening about Irish wildlife, it was touching to see the researcher feeding bread to the foxes in a housing estate at midnight. They chase the hares also.

Earthhorse

What's your beef with fat men, OP?

Thelonious Monk

I dont think wildlife is really compatible with modern ireland

IAMAMORON

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I dont think wildlife is really compatible with modern ireland

I think as long as it is left wild it should be fine. Bats, Rats, Foxes, Newts are natural migrators. They don't have to worry about Free State politics and the border either, they are happy living either of Oghill and don't get too fussed about it, unlike everyone else.

Op, I never knew you were such a watership down junckie, do you sing " bright eyes " in the shower?

Eddie B

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I was reading this morning that the presence of a deadly disease that kills rabbits and hares has been confirmed in six counties in Ireland. What's even more worrying is that the counties aren't next to each other, we have cases in Clare in the West, Offaly in the Midlands, Leitrim in the North West, and Wexford in the South East. One could then speculate that the disease is more widespread than we've detected so far.

Is now the time to look at a ban on hare coursing and the shooting of hares? Coursing involves trapping hares so they can be then be chased by greyhounds while fat men in flat caps gamble on the outcome. Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop. Blowing the head off a small animal is barbaric, and you should probably find a more satisfying hobby. Do the good people of AH agree?

Probably not, because most of them like beef burgers, therefore animals heads get blown off in the process, and those who like bean burgers, animals heads get blown off to protect beans which are used to make bean burgers.

Woke Hogan

Earthhorse wrote: »

What's your beef with fat men, OP?

I'm not the original poster but I personally find fat men absolutely disgusting to look at especially the middle-aged "salt of the earth" type, even though they're soft as ****e themselves. With massive tits.

I was unfortunate enough to have to sit at a table in a restaurant next to a very overweight man in his late forties and his son after the boy's soccer game on Saturday.

The older man was spraying his son with shards of roast beef slices, telling the boy that he was "too soft" in the game had just played and urged him to "forget all that tippy tappy ****e" and to "get stuck in" more.

This was athletic advice from a man who poured so much gravy over his dinner he could have drank it, and whose stink of stale cigarettes smelled so bad it was probably illegal for him to sit indoors where people were working.

I stole a glance at the boy and he was just staring down at his own plate in shame, especially when his old man was giving him even more grief for not taking a full plate and committing the atrocity of eating moderately.

Many men of this man's vintage love thinking that they're the last stand against the rise of effete snowflakes but examine their own behaviour at home and that's what you'll find. Gluttony. Sitting in front of a television drinking cans and eating takeaways. Smoking fags and gorging on plates of ice creams. Getting up only to take a ****e, scratch their hole or "let one rip." Soft. Soft. Weak men.

The Tetrarch

You should not have said "six counties".
The alarm bell has gone off in the media influencing section of an organisation.

topper75

But it is not like there has never been such diseases before. All creatures have to suffer their outbreaks from time to time.
Predators like foxes and pine martens, even domestic cats and dogs, will clean it up and the survivors will get to breed on. And boy, will they breed on.
Predators don't fit into many people's Disney-like narrative on wildlife - but they are essential in any ecosystem.
I have concerns about the removal of pike (a native) from salmonoid fisheries for the same reasons.

Eddie B

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not the original poster but I personally find fat men absolutely disgusting to look at especially the middle-aged "salt of the earth" type, even though they're soft as ****e themselves. With massive tits.

I was unfortunate enough to have to sit at a table in a restaurant next to a very overweight man in his late forties and his son after the boy's soccer game on Saturday.

The older man was spraying his son with shards of roast beef slices, telling the boy that he was "too soft" in the game had just played and urged him to "forget all that tippy tappy ****e" and to "get stuck in" more.

This was athletic advice from a man who poured so much gravy over his dinner he could have drank it, and whose stink of stale cigarettes smelled so bad it was probably illegal for him to sit indoors where people were working.

I stole a glance at the boy and he was just staring down at his own plate in shame, especially when his old man was giving him even more grief for not taking a full plate and committing the atrocity of eating moderately.

Many men of this man's vintage love thinking that they're the last stand against the rise of effete snowflakes but examine their own behaviour at home and that's what you'll find. Gluttony. Sitting in front of a television drinking cans and eating takeaways. Smoking fags and gorging on plates of ice creams. Getting up only to take a ****e, scratch their hole or "let one rip." Soft. Soft. Weak men.

Ya think that's bad. I was standing outside a pub yesteday, and there was this fella sitting with his son pissed. Young lad was only ten or eleven at best. Yer man was making the son take mouthfuls of beer and smoke fags. Kept telling him to man up. I would have intetviened, but yer man was skinny.

topper75

Woke Hogan wrote: »

...
Many men of this man's vintage love thinking that they're the last stand against the rise of effete snowflakes ...

Wait... if they are not, who is? :eek:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As far as I am aware all the hares which are used for the coursing are bred wild on Oyster island off the coast of Rosses Point Golf club. So if that gets contaminated there will be trouble for the coursing.

Not the case. Individual coursing clubs are licenced to trap Hares in many locations around the country. These are supposed to be returned to the area they were trapped in, but there is a lot of evidence that many are not returned to the right areas.

WB Yokes

I like going lamping but we only kill foxes, with the farmers permission to use his land. I wouldn't kill a hare no way.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I was reading this morning that the presence of a deadly disease that kills rabbits and hares has been confirmed in six counties in Ireland. What's even more worrying is that the counties aren't next to each other, we have cases in Clare in the West, Offaly in the Midlands, Leitrim in the North West, and Wexford in the South East. One could then speculate that the disease is more widespread than we've detected so far.

Is now the time to look at a ban on hare coursing and the shooting of hares? Coursing involves trapping hares so they can be then be chased by greyhounds while fat men in flat caps gamble on the outcome. Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop. Blowing the head off a small animal is barbaric, and you should probably find a more satisfying hobby. Do the good people of AH agree?

Why are you pretending you know anything about Irish wildlife? Hare is edible.

What are your hobbies OP? Maybe some here would like to ridicule them. We can decide if they are satisfying or not.

Do you eat? If you do, you're contributing to the destruction of the wildlife you seem so passionate about protecting. Or am I mixing that up with faux outrage.

You want to ban shooting because a disease has been discovered. Where's the logic? Farming, cars and cats are more detrimental to wildlife than hunters. Your agenda is so glaringly obvious, it's pathetic.

Earthhorse wrote: »

What's your beef with fat men, OP?

OP has no real point, he/she just wants something to stop for reasons and does not know how to go about it. So the insults are a filler I guess.

IAMAMORON

Hailey Important Self-employment wrote: »

Not the case. Individual coursing clubs are licenced to trap Hares in many locations around the country. These are supposed to be returned to the area they were trapped in, but there is a lot of evidence that many are not returned to the right areas.

Thank you for clarifying. I am correct about there being a hare population on Oyster island though? I am certain I have seen a documentary on this in the past. It is used to breed hares on?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying. I am correct about there being a hare population on Oyster island though? I am certain I have seen a documentary on this in the past. It is used to breed hares on?

Yes, it's managed by a club but purely for coursing.

BattleCorp

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop.

I kissed a bishops's ring once when I was a kid. He's in jail for it now.

10pennymixup

Eh...what's the name of this disease?

Bob Harris

Are you talking about disease or hunting Johnny or just spouting out of your hole?

kneemos

10pennymixup wrote: »

Eh...what's the name of this disease?

Rabbit Hemorrhagic Disease.

JohnnyFlash

Wells Substantial Flare wrote: »

Why are you pretending you know anything about Irish wildlife? Hare is edible.

What are your hobbies OP? Maybe some here would like to ridicule them. We can decide if they are satisfying or not.

Do you eat? If you do, you're contributing to the destruction of the wildlife you seem so passionate about protecting. Or am I mixing that up with faux outrage.

You want to ban shooting because a disease has been discovered. Where's the logic? Farming, cars and cats are more detrimental to wildlife than hunters. Your agenda is so glaringly obvious, it's pathetic.



OP has no real point, he/she just wants something to stop for reasons and does not know how to go about it. So the insults are a filler I guess.

There's a lot of chewing in this post - rather like eating hare if it hasn't been slow cooked for about a week.



My point is that the Irish hare is a native species. It's a species that we now know is dying due to disease across the country. Hunters often trot out the tired mantra that they are somehow good for keeping the population of a species under control. I'm not here to argue that one. It's the same one bloodhound and national hunt breeders use to justify chasing down a fox for sport.



It's that we now have a disease impacting a native species. Should the sort of people who take pleasure in blinding a hare so they can shoot them dead not come together as a group, and say 'we won't bother shooting them dead until we know how bad this disease is'?

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Hunters often trot out the tired mantra that they are somehow good for keeping the population of a species under control. I'm not here to argue that one. It's the same one bloodhound and national hunt breeders use to justify chasing down a fox for sport.

What is this gibberish?

It's not clear whether you don't know what NH means in horseracing, or you're confusing the UK rules on hunter certs with the Irish rules... Why you're blaming NH *breeders* for foxhunting in Ireland is bewildering. It suggests to me that you should stick to discussing matters within the M50 that you have a better chance of understanding.

Also bloodhounds in Ireland hunting foxes??

JohnnyFlash

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What is this gibberish?

It's not clear whether you don't know what NH means in horseracing, or you're confusing the UK rules on hunter certs with the Irish rules... Why you're blaming NH *breeders* for foxhunting in Ireland is bewildering. It suggests to me that you should stick to discussing matters within the M50 that you have a better chance of understanding.

Also bloodhounds in Ireland hunting foxes??

A True Gael, Tyrant. Perhaps the last man in the country to be born to a Father who spoke nothing only Irish.



I'll admit that my knowledge of the NH rules extend to arriving up to Kilbeggan or Roscommon, and firing on a few quid on whatever is opposing Mullin's French bought 'progressive mare'. You can prattle on about the purity of the stock, but most of the 'leggy stock' in Ireland end up as fox hunters for Catholics who want to be Protestants.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I'll admit that my knowledge of the NH rules extend to arriving up to Kilbeggan or Roscommon, and firing on a few quid on whatever is opposing Mullin's French bought 'progressive mare'. You can prattle on about the purity of the stock, but most of the 'leggy stock' in Ireland end up as fox hunters for Catholics who want to be Protestants.

Johnny most people who ride to hounds in Ireland are not interested in retraining ex racehorses. If you think hunting fields are full of ex racers you are completely mistaken, especially in Ireland moreso than other countries.

You're confusing bloodhounds with foxhounds and making some tenuous link between National Hunt breeders and hunting. There's no such thing as a "progressive" or "leggy" horse either and it is not possible to distinguish a French TB from an Irish one. Here, go back to saving the hares.

EmmetSpiceland

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Johnny most people who ride to hounds in Ireland are not interested in retraining ex racehorses. If you think hunting fields are full of ex racers you are completely mistaken, especially in Ireland moreso than other countries.

You're confusing bloodhounds with foxhounds and making some tenuous link between National Hunt breeders and hunting. There's no such thing as a "progressive" or "leggy" horse either and it is not possible to distinguish a French TB from an Irish one. Here, go back to saving the hares.

You’re either getting fierce defensive or pedantic here, ATNM. Are you a “hunting” man, yourself?

Can’t abide the hare coursing myself, remember the old billboard posters that had the picture of the poor hare about to be torn to “shreds” by the dogs.

I’d say everyone has the view that the old “fox hunt” on horseback was for the upper crust, is it still run? The best thing to come out of that is the paintings you see on some country pub/hotel walls.

It should really have been resigned to history long ago, like visiting the mentally ill in an “asylum” like you would animals in a zoo.

Coursing, cock fighting, dog fighting, and all that “carry on” should be eradicated from the land. “Another attack on rural Ireland”, you may cry but it’s just not on.

As for lamping, and other types of “gun-based” hunting, I’m not a fan. When people talk about “toxic masculinity” these days one of the first groups I, personally, think of is these “hunters”. Lots of “over compensating”, bad fashion, those terrible gilets for example and everyone in that same boxy looking “jeep”.

All best consigned to those lovely paintings I mentioned above.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

You’re either getting fierce defensive or pedantic here, ATNM. Are you a “hunting” man, yourself?

I admit to having gotten a little indignant there Emmet but I can't help it. It grates when people propose to make your friends or family redundant and to ban a sport you feel passionate about, on the basis of a clear lack of correct information.

Hunting in Ireland could not happen without the support of farmers and local communities. They support hunting, for the most part, because they understand it. When people understand hunting and how it benefits the countryside as well as the economy and the equine industry, they almost always start to retreat from the reflex reaction that it's a cruel bloodsport.

And all of that nuance is undone when people make brash, false or misleading claims, upon which most reasonable people who've never given it much thought will quite naturally say "Yes it is a cruel game" -- who'd blame them for thinking that?

When they reflect on how it's ultimately less cruel than shooting, and that its eradication would lead to a massive cull of horses and hounds (150,000 hunt caps every season in Ireland), and the fact that hunting is mainly the sport of ordinary farmers and is nothing like its UK counterpart, people often start to open up to the other side of the argument.

Even if they still oppose hunting to hounds, I have respect people who bother to inform themselves on what the arguments are. There is no justification for wishing to put thousands of people out of work and destroy an important industry without doing any basic background check.

In referring to hunting throughout, I should say I mean hunting to hounds. I actually dislike shooting any game - not even foxes, maybe only rats or crows. I'd share some of your own views on that form of hunting.

Irish Guitarist

My father used to shoot rabbits although without the aid of dogs. The smell of animal innards around the house was disgusting.

A couple of years ago my brother put a picture on his Facebook page of my older sisters when they were kids and my father posing with a load of dead rabbits in the backyard. In the picture my father is holding up one of the rabbits close to my sisters face. It looks like she's going to kiss the thing. It's a fucking creepy picture.

Irish Guitarist

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

My father used to shoot rabbits although without the aid of dogs. The smell of animal innards around the house was disgusting.

A couple of years ago my brother put a picture on his Facebook page of my older sisters when they were kids and my father posing with a load of dead rabbits in the backyard. In the picture my father is holding up one of the rabbits close to my sisters face. It looks like she's going to kiss the thing. It's a fucking creepy picture.

Shooting rabbits was sometimes done out of economic necessity. In some houses, it was the wife's job to shoot rabbits for that reason. I don't agree with shooting rabbits these days but it sounds like your Dad was shooting them for the pot anyway, not as trophies. I don't think anyone would criticise him for that.

Graces7

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I admit to having gotten a little indignant there Emmet but I can't help it. It grates when people propose to make your friends or family redundant and to ban a sport you feel passionate about, on the basis of a clear lack of correct information.


Even if they still oppose hunting to hounds, I have respect people who bother to inform themselves on what the arguments are. There is no justification for wishing to put thousands of people out of work and destroy an important industry without doing any basic background check.

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

dohouch

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not the original poster but I personally find fat men absolutely disgusting to look at especially the middle-aged "salt of the earth" type, even though they're soft as ****e themselves. With massive tits.

I was unfortunate enough to have to sit at a table in a restaurant next to a very overweight man in his late forties and his son after the boy's soccer game on Saturday.

The older man was spraying his son with shards of roast beef slices, telling the boy that he was "too soft" in the game had just played and urged him to "forget all that tippy tappy ****e" and to "get stuck in" more.

This was athletic advice from a man who poured so much gravy over his dinner he could have drank it, and whose stink of stale cigarettes smelled so bad it was probably illegal for him to sit indoors where people were working.

I stole a glance at the boy and he was just staring down at his own plate in shame, especially when his old man was giving him even more grief for not taking a full plate and committing the atrocity of eating moderately.

Many men of this man's vintage love thinking that they're the last stand against the rise of effete snowflakes but examine their own behaviour at home and that's what you'll find. Gluttony. Sitting in front of a television drinking cans and eating takeaways. Smoking fags and gorging on plates of ice creams. Getting up only to take a ****e, scratch their hole or "let one rip." Soft. Soft. Weak men.

:D Geezus I loves a seeing an ol'hur spitting nails:eek::eek::eek:

cj maxx

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I was reading this morning that the presence of a deadly disease that kills rabbits and hares has been confirmed in six counties in Ireland. What's even more worrying is that the counties aren't next to each other, we have cases in Clare in the West, Offaly in the Midlands, Leitrim in the North West, and Wexford in the South East. One could then speculate that the disease is more widespread than we've detected so far.

Is now the time to look at a ban on hare coursing and the shooting of hares? Coursing involves trapping hares so they can be then be chased by greyhounds while fat men in flat caps gamble on the outcome. Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Now you'll meet hunters who say this is part of our heritage. Well so was picking who your daughter would marry, and kissing the ring of a bishop. Blowing the head off a small animal is barbaric, and you should probably find a more satisfying hobby. Do the good people of AH agree?

Is it maxi ? Op

BattleCorp

Graces7 wrote: »

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

A lot of people in Ireland would have gone hungry without rabbits. We had rabbit regularly (weekly) when I was a kid.

Graces7

BattleCorp wrote: »

A lot of people in Ireland would have gone hungry without rabbits. We had rabbit regularly (weekly) when I was a kid.

Not talking re food but coursing. Agree totally re rabbit.s Although my father decided to serve my pet rabbit up for dinner once without telling me who we were eating then claimed he has escaped..

Critters for food and critters for sport are 2 entirely different matters. I ran a smallholding for years. Cockerels were eaten.

topper75

Graces7 wrote: »

You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric.

There is occasion for such. Controlling deer population.
Letting them starve through over-pop and refusing to exercise our power to dispatch a portion of them each season in a pain-limiting rifle-crack instant would be more barbaric, no?

The Irish hunting fraternity is a broad group and no doubt there would be an element therein that won't win any empathy competition, but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

I couldn't justify shooting animals with natural predators like hares.

Hector Savage

JF should be on a commission from boards.ie|!!!

Graces7

topper75 wrote: »

There is occasion for such. Controlling deer population.
Letting them starve through over-pop and refusing to exercise our power to dispatch a portion of them each season in a pain-limiting rifle-crack instant would be more barbaric, no?

The Irish hunting fraternity is a broad group and no doubt there would be an element therein that won't win any empathy competition, but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

I couldn't justify shooting animals with natural predators like hares.

way off topic again. See the thread title; about exploiting animals for frivolous purposes...as in hares?

Graces7

Watching hares here racing in sheer exuberant freedom and joie de vivre across the fields in the dawn light is one of the greatest joys there is.

As they should be not captured and exploited

topper75

Graces7 wrote: »

way off topic again. See the thread title; about exploiting animals for frivolous purposes...as in hares?

Yeah I was addressing your post, which did not specify hares at all, rather than the OP there.
"You are talking about hunting blameless live animals? Barbaric."

YFlyer

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As far as I am aware all the hares which are used for the coursing are bred wild on Oyster island off the coast of Rosses Point Golf club. So if that gets contaminated there will be trouble for the coursing.
.

Same with Whiddy island.

cj maxx

Googled it and seemingly maxi has infected hares
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/department-of-agriculture-on-alert-for-myxomatosis-in-hares-1.3664593%3Fmode%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwju7uDtyezkAhX4SBUIHa-ODeAQFjACegQIDBAK&usg=AOvVaw20BGhJJkVhQjpbfEJnn4Q5&ampcf=1&cshid=1569435525613

Greyfox

topper75 wrote: »

but shooting is a key part of wildlife management in any industrialised nation.

Grand as long as you eat what you kill but if you don't eat it then your a supporter of cruelty to animals. Also what if the shooter doesn't get a clean shot. Yes I know the reasons for hunting but that doesn't make it ok.

bodhrandude

I thought this thread was a reference to one of the spoken parts in On The Run from Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon.

Greyfox

Greyfox wrote: »

Grand as long as you eat what you kill but if you don't eat it then your a supporter of cruelty to animals.

This has already been answered, though.

It is Mother Nature's own personal diktat that any growing population, which population competes for food resources, will eventually be faced with starvation. Why do you think Renard ever shook his head in resignation and strolled into Dublin?

Nobody wants our wildlife to reach that point of overpopulation. It would arguably be cruel to allow an animal to starve instead humanely destroying it, just like you would a horse whose limb was fractured.

The fox is a better example, since nobody breeds them. Urban foxes are entering a completely different ecosystem than that which exists in the countryside. The lack of biodiversity in urban regions means that foxes are living longer with various parasites and infestations than would ever happen in a natural setting.

Its so much more complex than this daft (and completely false, ideological) notion that "it's cruel unless you eat it". Human beings are part of the ecosystem. If we are interested in preserving our ecosystem, then we must control both human activities, but also the overpopulation of certain other animal species, whether we eat those animals or not.

We need to strike the right balance. We all want foxes in the countryside, we all want a sustainable environment. But we want and we need a sustainable population.

harry Bailey esq

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Shooting hares involves 'lamping', where fat men in wet gear shine high-powered torches to blind hares before blowing their heads off. For sport. Hare is a tough and sinewy meat.

Lamping is not done with a firearm, it's done with lurcher dogs. Rabbits are the usual prize, not hares. The airport is full of hares, tame as f*ck too. You'd walk from the Maldron over to T2 any hour of the day and you'll spot a few.

harry Bailey esq

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Lamping is not done with a firearm, it's done with lurcher dogs. Rabbits are the usual prize, not hares. The airport is full of hares, tame as f*ck too. You'd walk from the Maldron over to T2 any hour of the day and you'll spot a few.

Also, I'd like to know more about the OP's logic.

Often when there's a disease outbreak, especially a highly transmissible disease, the veterinary advice will be in favour of culling. It's not entirely clear why the OP is advocating that humans should - suddenly - allow nature to take its course, if that is his suggestion. It's all very confusing.

If everyone stands back and allows disease to spread, surely that's the worst possible outcome? I don't know. Maybe those with impartial veterinary expertise can inform us.

Eddie B

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This has already been answered, though.

It is Mother Nature's own personal diktat that any growing population, which population competes for food resources, will eventually be faced with starvation. Why do you think Renard ever shook his head in resignation and strolled into Dublin?

Nobody wants our wildlife to reach that point of overpopulation. It would arguably be cruel to allow an animal to starve instead humanely destroying it, just like you would a horse whose limb was fractured.

The fox is a better example, since nobody breeds them. Urban foxes are entering a completely different ecosystem than that which exists in the countryside. The lack of biodiversity in urban regions means that foxes are living longer with various parasites and infestations than would ever happen in a natural setting.

Its so much more complex than this daft (and completely false, ideological) notion that "it's cruel unless you eat it". Human beings are part of the ecosystem. If we are interested in preserving our ecosystem, then we must control both human activities, but also the overpopulation of certain other animal species, whether we eat those animals or not.

We need to strike the right balance. We all want foxes in the countryside, we all want a sustainable environment. But we want and we need a sustainable population.

Very well put. A lot of people would rather believe that they do not interfere with wildlife populations, from human activities. Saying, nature will strike a balance if we just leave the animals be, sounds good, but this does not work. Our modern existence, continuously affect that balance. It is much easier to sleep at night, if you stick your head in the sand, and pretend that animals are like humans, and we will all live happily ever after, if people leave animals alone.

topper75

bodhrandude wrote: »

I thought this thread was a reference to one of the spoken parts in On The Run from Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon.

Wasn't that spoken by an Irish guy who was working around the studio during those sessions?

EmmetSpiceland

topper75 wrote: »

Wasn't that spoken by an Irish guy who was working around the studio during those sessions?

I believe there’s two “Irishmen” on the album. The door man and, guitarist, Henry McCullough who was recording with Wings.