Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Mizu_Ger · 26-09-2019 01:56PM

I got the middle finger from three drivers this morning on my way in. I've a 10km commute, mostly on single lane back roads.
First person couldn't decide when to overtake me and when eventually he did I got a beep and the middle finger for his trouble.
Then two lads in a minivan overtook me at speed and I got the same from them.
Third time I was almost hit when a car coming from a T-junction decided to proceed onto the road even though I was approaching to turn right (I had my lights and hi-vis on, so I was easily visible). But they did make time to stop and give me the finger after I gestured at them.

I really need to get cameras for the bike. It's only a matter of time before I get knocked off again.

Cabaal · 26-09-2019 06:06PM

average_runner wrote: »

If the head hits off the ground, then that's serious.

But in this country we have a habit of wasting resources, ie calling an ambulance and blocking up A&E when the we could of drove the person to their local doctor first.

There needs to be common sense in it all as we don't have a bucket load of ambulances around.

If you want to save the tax payer money and not waste resources then perhaps you should be far more concerned about the endless waste of HSE resources caused by people drinking. You've only to go into A&E basically any day of the year to see how much time and resources drink wastes.
:rolleyes:

If somebody is in an accident which involved a car, truck etc I'd much rather they seek the medication attention they believe is suitable for them at that time then wait with a potential concussion or other injury. Better safe then sorry.

An injured cyclist calling an ambulance and attending A&E is likely to take up about 000.5% of the resources that drink wastes to be fair.

You seem awful concerned at something that would waste very,m very little resources in the scale of things.

average_runner wrote: »

Common sense comes into it, depends on the accident.

Do you really want to waste a resource where it could save some one else life?

So you'd rather be sorry then safe?
I've seen people involved in pile ups refuse to go to A&E, I've also seen people who have been involved in accidents and break bones not realise at the time that they had broken bones.

if somebody was in an accident and received a spinal injury they may not realise that moving would be a very bad thing to do, your "better not waste resources" viewpoint could very easily result in permanent injury to a person. Again, as I said, better safe then sorry.

Pinch Flat · 26-09-2019 08:01PM

Just got close passed there a few minutes ago on the carpenterstown road. Me - lit like a Christmas tree. Car - driving around in near darkness with no lights on. I mean how thick are people? Would the fact you’re driving up a dark road, in near darkness, with poor visibility of the road in a dark car with even no dash lights not dawn on you?

Chiparus · 26-09-2019 08:14PM

average_runner wrote: »

Common sense comes into it, depends on the accident.

Do you really want to waste a resource where it could save some one else life?

Problem is that most patients dont have medical training, for example a fall off a bike with a headinjury can often cause axial loading on the cervical spine, and there maybe distracting injuries.
As we have seen in todays paper, people die from falling off bikes.

mrcheez · 26-09-2019 08:56PM

Some very angry drivers on the road today, even work colleagues noticed it. Wasn't raining at the time but several close passes and lots of honking of motorists at each other and shouting out the window to each other..going through long-changed reds etc .

Weird, was fine every other day this week

Maybe angry over the talk of rent hikes in the news today?!?

Pinch Flat · 26-09-2019 10:51PM

mrcheez wrote: »

Some very angry drivers on the road today, even work colleagues noticed it. Wasn't raining at the time but several close passes and lots of honking of motorists at each other and shouting out the window to each other..going through long-changed reds etc .

Weird, was fine every other day this week

Maybe angry over the talk of rent hikes in the news today?!?

I work in a building overlooking Tara St central Dublin, can be ground zero for gridlock and the resultant road rage . Some of the carry on from motorists is unbelievable - the traffic lights at Pearse St Garda street are routinely ignored, and the junction across Townsend and poolbeg street could have 5 or 6 motorists stream through. Some simply don't care anymore - they just plonk themselves in the yellow box. Yesterday, a fella lay on the horn for what seemed like several minutes. Few of went over to the window to have a look what was going on - Traffic gridlocked outside and someone cut in front of him. Can't imagine ever getting that wound up while driving.

Chiparus · 26-09-2019 11:05PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I work in a building overlooking Tara St central Dublin, can be ground zero for gridlock and the resultant road rage . Some of the carry on from motorists is unbelievable - the traffic lights at Pearse St Garda street are routinely ignored, and the junction across Townsend and poolbeg street could have 5 or 6 motorists stream through. Some simply don't care anymore - they just plonk themselves in the yellow box. Yesterday, a fella lay on the horn for what seemed like several minutes. Few of went over to the window to have a look what was going on - Traffic gridlocked outside and someone cut in front of him. Can't imagine ever getting that wound up while driving.

There is no enforcement - hence no one cares.

What Username Guidelines · 27-09-2019 06:48AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I work in a building overlooking Tara St central Dublin, can be ground zero for gridlock and the resultant road rage . Some of the carry on from motorists is unbelievable - the traffic lights at Pearse St Garda street are routinely ignored, and the junction across Townsend and poolbeg street could have 5 or 6 motorists stream through. Some simply don't care anymore - they just plonk themselves in the yellow box. Yesterday, a fella lay on the horn for what seemed like several minutes. Few of went over to the window to have a look what was going on - Traffic gridlocked outside and someone cut in front of him. Can't imagine ever getting that wound up while driving.

Wednesday evening I hailed a taxi at 5.25pm to take me and a colleague and guest to Rathmines, from Samuel Beckett bridge, for dinner. It took 42 mins to get to Rathmines. More time than my usual cycle hime to Dublin 24. And it was infuriating.

How people do this every day is beyond me, and I’m surprised it doesn’t end up with more people losing the plot. And it’s all people cutting in, breaking lights, blocking yellow boxes, etc, that causes so much traffic. At one point we sat through 3 light changes without moving because of blatant junction blocking.

Wishbone Ash · 27-09-2019 07:16AM

average_runner wrote: »

....But in this country we have a habit of wasting resources, ie calling an ambulance and blocking up A&E when the we could of drove the person to their local doctor first.....

Driving a person to a doctor would be a complete waste of resources. The doctor will simply call an ambulance immediately. 99% of GP's won't touch a traffic accident victim because of the compo culture and the requirement to run x-rays etc. I deal with doctors every day and they will do almost nothing nowadays - everything referred to A&E. It's many years since I've seen a non-hospital doctor suturing.

Also, if you are injured, you'll be seen much sooner if arriving by ambulance. Drive there and you have to take a seat in the waiting area with all the drunks and other resource wasters.

ED E · 27-09-2019 10:00AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Also, if you are injured, you'll be seen much sooner if arriving by ambulance. Drive there and you have to take a seat in the waiting area with all the drunks and other resource wasters.

NAS/HSE will insist this isnt the case but it 100% is.

kirving · 27-09-2019 10:18AM

ED E wrote: »

NAS/HSE will insist this isnt the case but it 100% is.

I arrived to A&E after a head injury from a bike. I don't think I had even sat down before I was called in. So I have to disagree that it's 100% true.

In any case, there is no harm whatsoever calling 999 if you aren't sure. They'll make an assessment over the phone, but in all likelihood will be required by protocol to send an ambulance.

The vast majority of injuries don't require an ambulance though, or even close to it.

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 10:24AM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I arrived to A&E after a head injury from a bike. I don't think I had even sat down before I was called in. So I have to disagree that it's 100% true.

was ED E referring to the claim that you'll be seen quicker if arriving by ambulance, though? rather than the one that you won't be seen if presenting by yourself.

kirving · 27-09-2019 10:36AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

was ED E referring to the claim that you'll be seen quicker if arriving by ambulance, though? rather than the one that you won't be seen if presenting by yourself.

Not sure, both part were quoted. Equally though, my sister arrived to A&E in an ambulance after hitting/cutting her head. Her friends thought it was much worse than it was and called an ambulance.

She sat in A&E for hours before she had to leave without being seen due to the number of junkies and drunks fighting in the waiting room (guess the Dublin hospital). Got a bill anyway...

In general though, it's true that the ambulance case will be seen quicker - but serious cases will always come first regardless of how you got there.

Compo culture was mentioned earlier - I'm absolutely certain that a subset of injured people would much rather claim they had to go in an ambulance rather than make it to hospital themselves.

That Dublin Fire Brigade show a few years ago featured a collision in a housing estate where the roof was cut off the car. There's being cautious, and then there's being ridiculous.

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 11:00AM

i'm sure you heard about the case a couple of years ago where a motorist arrived on the scene of a collision - one of the motorists involved in the collision had gotten out of her car, but he got her to sit in his while waiting for the emergency services.
when the fire brigade arrived, they cut the roof off his car because she had started to complain of back pain.

might have been out west, sligo maybe?

kirving · 27-09-2019 11:07AM

Absolutely insane, wasn't it?! Did he ever get compensated for that I wonder?

Wishbone Ash · 27-09-2019 11:09AM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Not sure, both part were quoted. Equally though, my sister arrived to A&E in an ambulance after hitting/cutting her head. Her friends thought it was much worse than it was and called an ambulance.

She sat in A&E for hours before she had to leave without being seen ....

That would be very unusual. Normally if arriving by ambulance, you bypass the waiting area and go straight to the triage area or the main A&E floor. It's possible that she was triaged and they determined that there were patients requiring more urgent treatment.

I've accompanied people by ambulance to A&E many times over the years and don't ever recall going to the normal waiting room.

Utter Consternation · 27-09-2019 11:30AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm sure you heard about the case a couple of years ago where a motorist arrived on the scene of a collision - one of the motorists involved in the collision had gotten out of her car, but he got her to sit in his while waiting for the emergency services.
when the fire brigade arrived, they cut the roof off his car because she had started to complain of back pain.

might have been out west, sligo maybe?

Jesus Christ, it's bad enough that they were caught with a collision, but then for the fookin' fire brigade to cut the roof off your bloody car...

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 12:06PM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Absolutely insane, wasn't it?! Did he ever get compensated for that I wonder?

i think a gofundme was launched for him, so he got some cash from that:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irelands-unluckiest-man-left-skint-9790523

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 12:28PM

Utter Consternation wrote: »

Jesus Christ, it's bad enough that they were caught with a collision, but then for the fookin' fire brigade to cut the roof off your bloody car...

she was drifting in and out of consciousness, rather than the complaints of back pain i had remembered.

anyway in this case, the car was worth about 3 grand. even just a broken finger is not worth 3 grand (well, not to me anyway); if there was the slightest hint that if they tried to lift her sideways out of the car, they could have a higher chance of exacerbating a spinal injury, taking the roof off and lifting her out that way is a no-brainer.

Mickiemcfist · 27-09-2019 01:06PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

she was drifting in and out of consciousness, rather than the complaints of back pain i had remembered.

anyway in this case, the car was worth about 3 grand. even just a broken finger is not worth 3 grand (well, not to me anyway); if there was the slightest hint that if they tried to lift her sideways out of the car, they could have a higher chance of exacerbating a spinal injury, taking the roof off and lifting her out that way is a no-brainer.

I agree with your main point. However I'd happily take a broken finger for 3k!

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 01:09PM

i'm surprised that the issue was that the other driver was uninsured; surely the MIBI steps in, in incidents involving uninsured drivers?

kirving · 27-09-2019 01:46PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm surprised that the issue was that the other driver was uninsured; surely the MIBI steps in, in incidents involving uninsured drivers?

Moreso that the other driver was uninjured rather than uninsured I thought.

My car is worth more than that, I can't live without it, and some randommer getting a bit cold and wet absolutely isn't worth the price of my car to me.

I'm afraid that this story has reminded me that I can't afford to help out others given the ridiculous situations that can arise.

As a general point, people's risk aversion seems to skyrocket when it's someone else paying the bill.

You don't tend to see many motorbike based
paramedics (or doctors) in Ireland compared to other European countries. Would be a very cost effective way of best utilising ambulances and hospitals.

I've been lucky enough to only ever see minor falls and crashes by cyclists whilst on the road, including myself. A once-over by a doctor, a bandage and some sympathy would have had all of them back in the saddle again.

Utter Consternation · 27-09-2019 02:36PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm surprised that the issue was that the other driver was uninsured; surely the MIBI steps in, in incidents involving uninsured drivers?

If an uninsured driver struck a cyclist, does the cyclist claim from MIBI?

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 02:50PM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Moreso that the other driver was uninjured rather than uninsured I thought.

My car is worth more than that, I can't live without it, and some randommer getting a bit cold and wet absolutely isn't worth the price of my car to me.

in the article, it mentions it was due to him being uninsured, which is what i was referring to.

anyway, according to the chap in question, she was obviously injured and began lapsing in and out of consciousness. in a choice between keeping someone warm and dry - as they may have gone into shock - and protecting your car, i think i know what my choice would be.

Chiparus · 27-09-2019 03:08PM

Utter Consternation wrote: »

If an uninsured driver struck a cyclist, does the cyclist claim from MIBI?

As far as I know, yes.

Chiparus · 27-09-2019 03:13PM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Not sure, both part were quoted. Equally though, my sister arrived to A&E in an ambulance after hitting/cutting her head. Her friends thought it was much worse than it was and called an ambulance.

She sat in A&E for hours before she had to leave without being seen due to the number of junkies and drunks fighting in the waiting room (guess the Dublin hospital). Got a bill anyway...

In general though, it's true that the ambulance case will be seen quicker - but serious cases will always come first regardless of how you got there.

Compo culture was mentioned earlier - I'm absolutely certain that a subset of injured people would much rather claim they had to go in an ambulance rather than make it to hospital themselves.

That Dublin Fire Brigade show a few years ago featured a collision in a housing estate where the roof was cut off the car. There's being cautious, and then there's being ridiculous.

I can only narrow it down to one of five?

micar · 27-09-2019 05:52PM

I work for a company which has a car insurance arm. Heard this today.

A cyclist took a picture of a motorist on their mobile and then a copy of their insurance disk.

The cyclist contacted the company to log a complaint with a copy of the pictures. The cyclist also mentioned that the tax was out of date.

Unfortunately it was not mentioned if the company contacted the motorist about the use of their mobile.

It was dealt with as a full complaint eventhough the cyclist had no policy with us

CramCycle · 27-09-2019 06:21PM

That's what I like to hear, a pro active company

magicbastarder · 27-09-2019 07:05PM

micar wrote: »

It was dealt with as a full complaint eventhough the cyclist had no policy with us

just out of curiosity, by 'full complaint', you're not actually talking about a claim?
and also, if you're not also a customer of the company, would it not usually be treated as a full complaint?

Salary Negotiator · 27-09-2019 07:07PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

just out of curiosity, by 'full complaint', you're not actually talking about a claim?
and also, if you're not also a customer of the company, would it not usually be treated as a full complaint?

Any expression of dissatisfaction should be treated as a complaint whether from a customer or not. The logging of the complaint is irrelevant really as we don’t know what action was taken.

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