The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Floppybits wrote: »

Thats the biggest load of sh1te that has been posted here. Spilt Dublin, how about Kerry be split or kilkenny after all they nearly did 5 in a row, same for Galway and Mayo. If you split one you split them all. How about counties with small populations joining with other small counties to get a bigger playing pool and become more competitive?

You guys are like a broken record- None of those teams had unfair advantages, Dublin have many. It's not just the victories, but the fact it's coming from a position of immense privilege.

Voluntary amalgamations can be offered, but as Dublin will likely never agree to a split (at least until it's too late and the inter-county game is dead and can't be resurrected), they will have to have an enforced split. There will be benefits for the GAA in Dublin despite this split being opposed though, for sure.

Dublin dont have a single unfair advantage. An advantage in and of itself is not unfair.

For example, Dublin have an advantage in population because of county boundaries drawn up centuries ago and socio economic factors that dwarf GAA.

There is no unfairness there due to any act by Dublin GAA ergo the advantage cannot be unfair.

@Gaffer91, No one will spilt our county, ever. Full stop.

I grew up on the Southside but have lived in North county Dublin for 15 years. Don’t ask me to choose a side. I’d rather not support either. I think you will find the overwhelming vast majority of dubs will agree.

Anyway why punish Dublin for a perceived central gaa problem? As we’ve stated already our population isn’t an advantage due to the actual playing numbers. If that is considered an advantage then how do you address Cork, Galway etc?

Croke Park is the national stadium that happens to be in Dublin. Are you saying it should only be used for major matches only? What a waste apart from been a cash drain of course. Do you want us playing home league, Leinster and super 8 games in Parnell? If so fine but again the gaa income is significantly hit and many thousands of supporters will miss out, mostly other counties. What’s your solution?

The population is more of a disadvantage to the majority of players in Dublin. There are many players in Dublin who are good enough to play for most county teams but will never ever get that chance because they are in Dublin. So the population is both an advantage and disadvantage.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

A lot of very good points plus the fact that Dublin won the five in a row despite many teams getting a second chance in the qualifiers - means that the feat is a far more impressive one than any other in the history of the GAA.

Plus Cork showed how Dublin could be beaten as well, but ran out of steam (like they did against a lot of teams as well as in the Dublin game)

This Dublin team should be lauded for how they have brought forward the level of gaelic football. Look at how the level of the Kerry team was brought on because they were forced to be innovative and change.
The attacking football in the first half of the second game in particular was probably the best in the history of the GAA.

Instead of going on about that great display from both teams, some people are just focused in on the funding as if players can be bought. The laughably weak 'funding cause and effect' argument is really brought into focus when we see how Dublin have lifted gaelic football out of the dark ages, and made thier opponents think tactically and be adventurous with it.

Without Dublin GAA we would have had 13 men behind the ball at all times, for the next 20 years.
Dublin have shown the way.
Dublin are the saviours of gaelic football others will follow thier example as Kerry already have done - high press tactics and movement etc.

How many backdoor games away from Croke Park did ye have to play?
The last ye were down in longford ye barely got out of the place

Most counties cannot afford to develop their players from U8 up to minor like Dublin do in the clubs with huge funding from central GAA
and then run a professional type setup for U20 and senior panels using the huge sponsorship money bring generated and gate receipts from league games in Croke Park
And most counties don't have the money to develop facilities to do compete either

tritium wrote: »

But as I’ve already pointed out, Kerry have been a financially doped juggernaut for decades. And the evidence can be seen in the numbers for Munster. “Fixing” dublin would just return us to the previous broken and unfair status quo: given how long it’s persisted that has to be fixed first

You pointed something out but it was absolute waffle, like most of your posts. Dublin's are the ones financially doping. They get millions more than every other county.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Dublin dont have a single unfair advantage. An advantage in and of itself is not unfair.

For example, Dublin have an advantage in population because of county boundaries drawn up centuries ago and socio economic factors that dwarf GAA.

There is no unfairness there due to any act by Dublin GAA ergo the advantage cannot be unfair.

Dublin have many unfair advantages- financial doping, population and home pitch advantage, among others.

The population is an unfair advantage as it is such a statistical outlier and it leaves Dublin with a much higher likelihood of having brilliant footballers. The financial doping helps to develop and condition them- again, they get millions more than everyone else. I don't think I need to explain to someone who understands sport why home advantage helps?

kyote00 wrote: »

Can you explan what the unfair advantages are because it has now been well established from this stats in this thread that

They've been explained countless times already by myself and others- how many more times do you want it to be done? Just have a read back there. Use the search function to shorten your time doing this.

kyote00 wrote: »

- funding is only marginally more for Dublin if you look at number of clubs and registered teams in Dublin

Your chart was absolute crap- the club numbers were totally inaccurate.

Anyway the measure is per registered player (or maybe head of population)- Dublin are grossly overfunded relative to every other county.

Funding needs to include sponsorship as well.

kyote00 wrote: »

- paid coach numbers are broadly similar and improving outside Dublin

Numbers are not broadly similar- Dublin have vastly more.

kyote00 wrote: »

- all teams take in funding from sponsers

You realise the level of funding matters? Dublin take in vastly more than everyone else.

kyote00 wrote: »

- Dublin play a lot of championship games in Croke park but there has been many occasions that other county boards could have voted to change this but didn't

The semi-final and final are home games for Dublin- even though has historically been the case, it doesn't mean it was historically fair. This is a huge benefit to them.

kyote00 wrote: »

I do not have any issue with splitting Dublin in 2

Good man, this was a very good part of your post and I commend you on it. a four way split would be preferable however.

kyote00 wrote: »

This year alone, Kerry, Meath and Mayo have shown Dublin are beatable

Meath and Mayo were absolutely hammered. Kerry also took a relative pasting in the replay- remember when 6 points used to be considered well beaten? It's just how skewed the Dublin dominance and hammering have made things that it is no longer considered the case. One freak draw every 2-3 years is no way to run a championship.

Dublin are bringing in new players all the time- this isn't a "golden generation" as some people like to disingenuously claim.

omega man wrote: »

@Gaffer91, No one will spilt our county, ever. Full stop.

I grew up on the Southside but have lived in North county Dublin for 15 years. Don’t ask me to choose a side. I’d rather not support either. I think you will find the overwhelming vast majority of dubs will agree.

The county will be split- it's becoming a mainstream conversation- this week, you had McStay, Colm O'Rourke and RTE discussing it as a real option. As Dublin continue to win over the coming years, as the current dominance will not abate in the current environment, the clamour will grow and ultimately the GAA will have no option.

I accept there will be opposition from Dubs so it will have to be imposed against their will. Most Dublin GAA fans would quickly row in behind their new teams though, although some hysterical fans may threaten to stop going and even follow through on this.

omega man wrote: »

Anyway why punish Dublin for a perceived central gaa problem? As we’ve stated already our population isn’t an advantage due to the actual playing numbers. If that is considered an advantage then how do you address Cork, Galway etc?

You stated it but it's not true- your population is a huge advantage.

I've already dealt with the Cork/ Galway comparison- basically, I was previously in favour of a two way split, but given the financial doping, a 4 way split is now preferable.

omega man wrote: »

Croke Park is the national stadium that happens to be in Dublin. Are you saying it should only be used for major matches only? What a waste apart from been a cash drain of course. Do you want us playing home league, Leinster and super 8 games in Parnell? If so fine but again the gaa income is significantly hit and many thousands of supporters will miss out, mostly other counties. What’s your solution?

Play home league games/ drawn home Leinster/ Super 8 games there by all means (although it could be argued you should have decades of away games in Leinster to make up for the decades of home advantage). But the semi- finals and finals shouldn't be played at the home stadium of one particular team every single year.

Floppybits wrote: »

The population is more of a disadvantage to the majority of players in Dublin. There are many players in Dublin who are good enough to play for most county teams but will never ever get that chance because they are in Dublin. So the population is both an advantage and disadvantage.

Population is a huge advantage as has been shown but you've just stumbled upon a reason why splitting Dublin would benefit Dublin GAA- more players from Dublin would get to challenge for Sam Maguire and play at the highest level.

Bonniedog wrote: »

If Dublin is split then Dublin GAA ends. so you'll be happy. Do you think we don't have the same pride in our county as anyone else?

No, you'll just have north Dublin, South Dublin and West Dublin

just like Meath and Westmeath

whats the issue?

I'm telling you. if Dublin GAA is split then that's the end of it.

Dublin is an entity that includes lots of aspects of history, sport, music, literature, and so on. Means as much to us as any other county's.

You wont take it away from us. there is no such fkn thing as "north Dublin" or "south Dublin."

gaffer91 wrote: »

Okay- why would it end? You'd still have the same clubs; the All Ireland doesn't matter participation wise for >99% of club players.
You'd have more teams and players challenging for Sam Maguire.

The alternative is endless Dublin dominance and the inter- county game dies everywhere, not just Dublin, surely not a very palatable alternative.

And again, there is no animosity towards Dubs (or even the GAA in Dublin- anyone would accept money offered to them on a silver platter). It's about recognising the problems in the GAA today and taking the necessary steps to rectify them. These steps will have to include splitting Dublin, among other things (pooling sponsorship, a more equitable funding distribution etc). I'm pro Gaelic games and their survival, not anti- Dublin.

Nah, if you were pro Gaelic games you’d have explained how you plan to make the leitrims of this world successful

Instead you’ve explained how you’d make Kerry the top dog again on the back of all the historic advantages they’ve built up over weaker counties.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin's are the ones financially doping. They get millions more than every other county.

Incorrect. They don't get millions more.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin have many unfair advantages- financial doping, population and home pitch advantage, among others.

The population is an unfair advantage as it is such a statistical outlier and it leaves Dublin with a much higher likelihood of having brilliant footballers. The financial doping helps to develop and condition them- again, they get millions more than everyone else. I don't think I need to explain to someone who understands sport why home advantage helps?

Incorrect again. No financial benefit. Home advantage can be removed by GAA council but most county boards dont want to.

gaffer91 wrote: »

They've been explained countless times already by myself and others- how many more times do you want it to be done? Just have a read back there. Use the search function to shorten your time doing this.

You are the one that needs to read back - it has been shown beyond doubt that the financial benefits are marginal

gaffer91 wrote: »

Your chart was absolute crap- the club numbers were totally inaccurate.

Anyway the measure is per registered player (or maybe head of population)- Dublin are grossly overfunded relative to every other county.

Incorrect. The number are teams not clubs --> as has been said numerous times....

gaffer91 wrote: »

You realise the level of funding matters? Dublin take in vastly more than everyone else.

I do but you cant seem to grasp basic maths.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Meath and Mayo were absolutely hammered. Kerry also took a relative pasting in the replay- remember when 6 points used to be considered well beaten? It's just how skewed the Dublin dominance and hammering have made things that it is no longer considered the case. One freak draw every 2-3 years is no way to run a championship.

Wrong again (I'm seeing at pattern here). Meath and Mayo competes very well for first halves - so why not for 70 mins.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin are bringing in new players all the time- this isn't a "golden generation" as some people like to disingenuously claim.

WTF, you want to continue playing against Mullins and Keaveny

gaffer91 wrote: »

You stated it but it's not true- your population is a huge advantage.

I've already dealt with the Cork/ Galway comparison- basically, I was previously in favour of a two way split, but given the financial doping, a 4 way split is now preferable.

Actually a better option might be to send some of the Dublin coaches down the country to show ye all how to train, how to kick points of either foot etc...

gaffer91 wrote: »

Play home league games/ drawn home Leinster/ Super 8 games there by all means (although it could be argued you should have decades of away games in Leinster to make up for the decades of home advantage). But the semi- finals and finals shouldn't be played at the home stadium of one particular team every single year.

WTF, Galway play in Leinster in the hurling as it suit them but

gaffer91 wrote: »

Population is a huge advantage as has been shown but you've just stumbled upon a reason why splitting Dublin would benefit Dublin GAA- more players from Dublin would get to challenge for Sam Maguire and play at the highest level.

Of course it is. But footballers and athletes are not born - it involves training, coaching and development -> this is where Dublin excel and the rest have fallen behind....so it time for you to stop whinging, take a look at your own performances and start working on improving...

PS. gaffer91: what county do you support ?

I didn't think so.

There is a real whiff of "I'm not racist but" on this thread. The amount of folk saying "I'm not anti Dublin but" or "I like Dublin but". Just be honest and admit it, you can't stand Dublin. For most on here it doesn't matter what Dublin do they will still find something to moan about, even when Dublin weren't winning anything there was moaning, why are they not winning All Irelands wuth their population? Dublin are a joke.

If Dublin played every single match away from Croke Park you would still have moaning like " Dublin playing all their outside means some of us smaller counties will never get to play there" or " we need Dublin back on Croke Park the money hangouts for our county board to p1ss up against wall has dried up "

Just can't win

Floppybits wrote: »

There is a real whiff of "I'm not racist but" on this thread. The amount of folk saying "I'm not anti Dublin but" or "I like Dublin but". Just be honest and admit it, you can't stand Dublin. For most on here it doesn't matter what Dublin do they will still find something to moan about, even when Dublin weren't winning anything there was moaning, why are they not winning All Irelands wuth their population? Dublin are a joke.

If Dublin played every single match away from Croke Park you would still have moaning like " Dublin playing all their outside means some of us smaller counties will never get to play there" or " we need Dublin back on Croke Park the money hangouts for our county board to p1ss up against wall has dried up "

Just can't win

Exactly, but don’t forget you are not dealing and engaging with reasonable well meaning people. The five in a row to them or what they want you to ‘believe’ is because we ‘always play in croker’ and some mythical ‘full time’ nonsense even though every player, backroom person, Doctor, manager etc has a FULL TIME JOB outside of the GAA or is studying... go figure, no professional set up, GAA secondary to studies and putting food on the table for themselves and families.

They are a seriously good team, the best who have played the game by virtue of their attitude, hard practiced ability, dedication to their craft and county.

Begrudgers won’t be lining up to recognize that, they were even pissing and moaning in the latter stages of the AI final with the Dubs managing possession instead of booting it randomly forward giving the opposition an opportunity to regain possession and score...that’s what you are up against. Don’t let begrudgers grind you down or take from your enjoyment of the drive for five or indeed the sprint for six....

Strumms wrote: »

Begrudgers won’t be lining up to recognize that, they were even pissing and moaning in the latter stages of the AI final with the Dubs managing possession instead of booting it randomly forward giving the opposition an opportunity to regain possession and score...that’s what you are up against. Don’t let begrudgers grind you down or take from your enjoyment of the drive for five or indeed the sprint for six....

Reading that last part had that song "Let's do the Time warp again" going through my head. Maybe that's the problem in some counties that they are stuck in a time warp in terms of county board, structures and tactics but I guess its easier to bash Dublin rather than take an honest look at themselves.

I am loving the 5 in a row, the only thing annoying me is waiting 2 poxy weeks for the homecoming. I know the traffic in Dublin is bad but taking 2 weeks to get from the Gibson hotel to merrion square is stretching it. 😁

gaffer91 wrote: »

You guys are like a broken record- None of those teams had unfair advantages, Dublin have many. It's not just the victories, but the fact it's coming from a position of immense privilege.

Voluntary amalgamations can be offered, but as Dublin will likely never agree to a split (at least until it's too late and the inter-county game is dead and can't be resurrected), they will have to have an enforced split. There will be benefits for the GAA in Dublin despite this split being opposed though, for sure.

I have previously posted this reply to you outlining Kerry's unfair advantages for over a century, yet you ignore it in your replies and keep spouting nonsense.

blanch152 wrote: »

What a load of bitter nonsense, particularly the bits I am quoting from your post.

Kerry have benefitted unfairly since the introduction of inter-county competition by the provincial system.

That is doubled down by the failure of the GAA to promote hurling outside of Munster and Kilkenny. That has meant Kerry got a free ride to All-Ireland semifinals for decades, all because of an unfair and biased structure that lumped Kerry into a province dominated by hurling. Institutional discrimination in favour of Kerry.

Most of the posters on this issue come from three counties - Meath, Kerry and Mayo. Why? Because they have no interest in equal competition, only in doing down what they see as the obstacle to their county’s provincial or All-Ireland success.

As I keep saying, splitting Kerry, amalgamating other counties and restructuring the competition are what is needed to ensure a level competition. Splitting Dublin would be a part of that overall package. This is immediately rejected by the anti-Dubs because of their own selfish motives.