Floppybits wrote: » Thats the biggest load of sh1te that has been posted here. Spilt Dublin, how about Kerry be split or kilkenny after all they nearly did 5 in a row, same for Galway and Mayo. If you split one you split them all. How about counties with small populations joining with other small counties to get a bigger playing pool and become more competitive?
gaffer91 wrote: » You guys are like a broken record- None of those teams had unfair advantages, Dublin have many. It's not just the victories, but the fact it's coming from a position of immense privilege. Voluntary amalgamations can be offered, but as Dublin will likely never agree to a split (at least until it's too late and the inter-county game is dead and can't be resurrected), they will have to have an enforced split. There will be benefits for the GAA in Dublin despite this split being opposed though, for sure.
gaffer91 wrote: » As above- seriously, all Dubs need to consider their arguments. You are basically arguing that playing at home doesn't give an advantage, having a playing pool 6 times average doesn't help you in a sport where transfers aren't allowed (or at least are extremely difficult and uncommon), having millions more to spend doesn't affect sporting results. These are obviously absurd arguments and you need to just accept that Dublin have unfair advantages. Just to follow on from this- that's all we're asking you to do i.e recognise that you have unfair advantages and the GAA must take steps to counter them. I have no animosity towards any Dubs and I think it's fair to say if anyone else was in Dublin's shoes and offered a bag of cash and these other advantages, with seemingly no consequences, they would accept them too. So the problem is with the GAA more than Dublin. Don't be afraid of a split of Dublin. You would not be left without a team to support as you would still be able to support the subdivision of Dublin that you are from. More players from Dublin would get to play at the highest level. And inter-county football wouldn't die a death, which it is currently doing at the moment. It's not cyclical- Dublin's unfair advantages have set the stage for endless dominance unless urgent action is taken. And lastly, there is no point comparing to Kerry in the 1980s or Kilkenny in the 2000s- these counties did not have the unfair advantages that Dublin enjoy. It is the unfairness that surrounds Dublin GAA, and not just the victories, that are the problem. I don't really follow soccer but is this unique to Dublin GAA? Do Chelsea/ Man City fans deny their unfair advantages in terms of things like funding? (Awaiting some Dub to wade in with a response about how you can't transfer players in GAA, as if money can't be spent to help a team in any other way).
kyote00 wrote: » Can you explan what the unfair advantages are because it has now been well established from this stats in this thread that - funding is only marginally more for Dublin if you look at number of clubs and registered teams in Dublin - paid coach numbers are broadly similar and improving outside Dublin - centres of excellence are now common place in most universities, ITs etc. - all teams take in funding from sponsers - Dublin play a lot of championship games in Croke park but there has been many occasions that other county boards could have voted to change this but didn't Also since the Super 8's, it takes 2-3 more games to win an AI compared to 70s/80s/90s I do not have any issue with splitting Dublin in 2 but all this will mean is that Dublin North will play Dublin South in the final. Maybe we can make it easier for you if we make the Dublin goalposts bigger or take a few players off if ye go a few points behind This year alone, Kerry, Meath and Mayo have shown Dublin are beatable
RoyalCelt wrote: » My thoughts are the GAA should have invested millions into cork, Limerick, Clare and Tipp football with the aim to make it competitive. Kerry are far better off football wise then the rest so shouldn't receive nearly as much financial assistance as the rest.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » A lot of very good points plus the fact that Dublin won the five in a row despite many teams getting a second chance in the qualifiers - means that the feat is a far more impressive one than any other in the history of the GAA. Plus Cork showed how Dublin could be beaten as well, but ran out of steam (like they did against a lot of teams as well as in the Dublin game) This Dublin team should be lauded for how they have brought forward the level of gaelic football. Look at how the level of the Kerry team was brought on because they were forced to be innovative and change. The attacking football in the first half of the second game in particular was probably the best in the history of the GAA. Instead of going on about that great display from both teams, some people are just focused in on the funding as if players can be bought. The laughably weak 'funding cause and effect' argument is really brought into focus when we see how Dublin have lifted gaelic football out of the dark ages, and made thier opponents think tactically and be adventurous with it. Without Dublin GAA we would have had 13 men behind the ball at all times, for the next 20 years. Dublin have shown the way. Dublin are the saviours of gaelic football others will follow thier example as Kerry already have done - high press tactics and movement etc.
tritium wrote: » But as I’ve already pointed out, Kerry have been a financially doped juggernaut for decades. And the evidence can be seen in the numbers for Munster. “Fixing” dublin would just return us to the previous broken and unfair status quo: given how long it’s persisted that has to be fixed first
odyssey06 wrote: » Dublin dont have a single unfair advantage. An advantage in and of itself is not unfair. For example, Dublin have an advantage in population because of county boundaries drawn up centuries ago and socio economic factors that dwarf GAA. There is no unfairness there due to any act by Dublin GAA ergo the advantage cannot be unfair.
kyote00 wrote: » Can you explan what the unfair advantages are because it has now been well established from this stats in this thread that
kyote00 wrote: » - funding is only marginally more for Dublin if you look at number of clubs and registered teams in Dublin
kyote00 wrote: » - paid coach numbers are broadly similar and improving outside Dublin
kyote00 wrote: » - all teams take in funding from sponsers
kyote00 wrote: » - Dublin play a lot of championship games in Croke park but there has been many occasions that other county boards could have voted to change this but didn't
kyote00 wrote: » I do not have any issue with splitting Dublin in 2
kyote00 wrote: » This year alone, Kerry, Meath and Mayo have shown Dublin are beatable
omega man wrote: » @Gaffer91, No one will spilt our county, ever. Full stop. I grew up on the Southside but have lived in North county Dublin for 15 years. Don’t ask me to choose a side. I’d rather not support either. I think you will find the overwhelming vast majority of dubs will agree.
omega man wrote: » Anyway why punish Dublin for a perceived central gaa problem? As we’ve stated already our population isn’t an advantage due to the actual playing numbers. If that is considered an advantage then how do you address Cork, Galway etc?
omega man wrote: » Croke Park is the national stadium that happens to be in Dublin. Are you saying it should only be used for major matches only? What a waste apart from been a cash drain of course. Do you want us playing home league, Leinster and super 8 games in Parnell? If so fine but again the gaa income is significantly hit and many thousands of supporters will miss out, mostly other counties. What’s your solution?
Floppybits wrote: » The population is more of a disadvantage to the majority of players in Dublin. There are many players in Dublin who are good enough to play for most county teams but will never ever get that chance because they are in Dublin. So the population is both an advantage and disadvantage.
Bonniedog wrote: » If Dublin is split then Dublin GAA ends. so you'll be happy. Do you think we don't have the same pride in our county as anyone else?
Bonniedog wrote: » And the messenger bringing the order for the mobilisation in '16 got delayed by someone who brought him in for a cup of tea... we know. You hate Dublin. That's on you.
gaffer91 wrote: » Okay- why would it end? You'd still have the same clubs; the All Ireland doesn't matter participation wise for >99% of club players. You'd have more teams and players challenging for Sam Maguire. The alternative is endless Dublin dominance and the inter- county game dies everywhere, not just Dublin, surely not a very palatable alternative. And again, there is no animosity towards Dubs (or even the GAA in Dublin- anyone would accept money offered to them on a silver platter). It's about recognising the problems in the GAA today and taking the necessary steps to rectify them. These steps will have to include splitting Dublin, among other things (pooling sponsorship, a more equitable funding distribution etc). I'm pro Gaelic games and their survival, not anti- Dublin.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin's are the ones financially doping. They get millions more than every other county.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin have many unfair advantages- financial doping, population and home pitch advantage, among others. The population is an unfair advantage as it is such a statistical outlier and it leaves Dublin with a much higher likelihood of having brilliant footballers. The financial doping helps to develop and condition them- again, they get millions more than everyone else. I don't think I need to explain to someone who understands sport why home advantage helps?
gaffer91 wrote: » They've been explained countless times already by myself and others- how many more times do you want it to be done? Just have a read back there. Use the search function to shorten your time doing this.
gaffer91 wrote: » Your chart was absolute crap- the club numbers were totally inaccurate. Anyway the measure is per registered player (or maybe head of population)- Dublin are grossly overfunded relative to every other county.
gaffer91 wrote: » You realise the level of funding matters? Dublin take in vastly more than everyone else.
gaffer91 wrote: » Meath and Mayo were absolutely hammered. Kerry also took a relative pasting in the replay- remember when 6 points used to be considered well beaten? It's just how skewed the Dublin dominance and hammering have made things that it is no longer considered the case. One freak draw every 2-3 years is no way to run a championship.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin are bringing in new players all the time- this isn't a "golden generation" as some people like to disingenuously claim.
gaffer91 wrote: » You stated it but it's not true- your population is a huge advantage. I've already dealt with the Cork/ Galway comparison- basically, I was previously in favour of a two way split, but given the financial doping, a 4 way split is now preferable.
gaffer91 wrote: » Play home league games/ drawn home Leinster/ Super 8 games there by all means (although it could be argued you should have decades of away games in Leinster to make up for the decades of home advantage). But the semi- finals and finals shouldn't be played at the home stadium of one particular team every single year.
gaffer91 wrote: » Population is a huge advantage as has been shown but you've just stumbled upon a reason why splitting Dublin would benefit Dublin GAA- more players from Dublin would get to challenge for Sam Maguire and play at the highest level.
beggars_bush wrote: » I don't hate Dublin I love the GAA and GAA clubs. the current setup is turning an awful lot of people outside Dublin off the county game. Players included I was actually in a club in Dublin today to meet a friend
Tombo2001 wrote: » Ah get out of it. The underlying tone throughout this entire argument is an anti Dublin sentiment. Dublin is the cause of all our problems, as if we didn't make any of them ourselves. Not saying this is everyones argument, but its certainly the case for a lot of posters. And this is unreasonable, and will not go any further than argument. If you really favoured a stronger GAA championship - then why wouldn't you consider the approach of joining other counties together instead of splitting Dublin. But you don't consider this. Its pure anti Dublin, nothing to do with pro GAA. I was actually in Dublin once to see Santa in Arnotts - so see, I'm really not anti Dublin..... give us a break.
Floppybits wrote: » There is a real whiff of "I'm not racist but" on this thread. The amount of folk saying "I'm not anti Dublin but" or "I like Dublin but". Just be honest and admit it, you can't stand Dublin. For most on here it doesn't matter what Dublin do they will still find something to moan about, even when Dublin weren't winning anything there was moaning, why are they not winning All Irelands wuth their population? Dublin are a joke. If Dublin played every single match away from Croke Park you would still have moaning like " Dublin playing all their outside means some of us smaller counties will never get to play there" or " we need Dublin back on Croke Park the money hangouts for our county board to p1ss up against wall has dried up " Just can't win
Strumms wrote: » Begrudgers won’t be lining up to recognize that, they were even pissing and moaning in the latter stages of the AI final with the Dubs managing possession instead of booting it randomly forward giving the opposition an opportunity to regain possession and score...that’s what you are up against. Don’t let begrudgers grind you down or take from your enjoyment of the drive for five or indeed the sprint for six....
blanch152 wrote: » What a load of bitter nonsense, particularly the bits I am quoting from your post. Kerry have benefitted unfairly since the introduction of inter-county competition by the provincial system. That is doubled down by the failure of the GAA to promote hurling outside of Munster and Kilkenny. That has meant Kerry got a free ride to All-Ireland semifinals for decades, all because of an unfair and biased structure that lumped Kerry into a province dominated by hurling. Institutional discrimination in favour of Kerry. Most of the posters on this issue come from three counties - Meath, Kerry and Mayo. Why? Because they have no interest in equal competition, only in doing down what they see as the obstacle to their county’s provincial or All-Ireland success. As I keep saying, splitting Kerry, amalgamating other counties and restructuring the competition are what is needed to ensure a level competition. Splitting Dublin would be a part of that overall package. This is immediately rejected by the anti-Dubs because of their own selfish motives.
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