Some Protesters More Equal Than Others?

jam_mac_jam · 17-09-2019 01:42PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Personality I would pay 20 cents more a kilogram for beef provided i was guaranteed it went to the producer farmer.

On the other consumption of red meat is going to decline in the western world and farming in Ireland is going to become more commercialised and less and less part-time farmers.

Yes I would too. Irish beef is excellent and from a selfish point of view I would be very upset if we didn't produce it any more.

IAMAMORON · 17-09-2019 01:43PM

So this is a Garda bashing thread Op?

Please elaborate.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-09-2019 01:45PM

have you seen the age of some of them protesting?

a tap of a baton would be attempted murder

jimgoose · 17-09-2019 01:45PM

Diplometic immuni-TEH!!

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dxhound2005 · 17-09-2019 01:46PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not going a great job of it are we then, a large proportion of potatoes are imported. Almost all that chippers use are imported from the UK.

Plenty of local potatoes for the dinner table. Probably not many people know that chipping potatoes are a specialised product, not on sale to the public. It could be that our soil is not suitable for those varieties?

http://www.chipshopcatering.ie/potatoes/

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 01:47PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Tbf there is a well established priority for any state to maintain agriculture so that if necessary we can survive great disruption without famine. This is an existential matter for the state

Irish agriculture mainly produces dairy and beef products, but is hugely dependent on imported cereals to feed livestock. So it's difficult to imagine how Irish farmers will supply the country with food when the zombie apocalypse comes about.

El Tarangu · 17-09-2019 01:52PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Tbf there is a well established priority for any state to maintain agriculture so that if necessary we can survive great disruption without famine. This is an existential matter for the state

In that case, we should turn over majority of the land currently used for beef production and use it to grow root vegetables & chick peas.

CrankyHaus · 17-09-2019 01:55PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

Irish agriculture mainly produces dairy and beef products, but is hugely dependent on imported cereals to feed livestock. So it's difficult to imagine how Irish farmers will supply the country with food when the zombie apocalypse comes about.

I'm just trying to explain the rationale. While there's a lot I'd criticise about Irish agriculture I'd rather pay reasonable subsidies to maintain a high quality agricultural sector than see the countryside be turned into a hodgepodge of estates for the nouvelle riche and industrial farms, either owned by some Larry Goodman character or foreign interests.

freedominacup · 17-09-2019 02:33PM

El Tarangu wrote: »

In that case, we should turn over majority of the land currently used for beef production and use it to grow root vegetables & chick peas.

Absolutely can't do it at a commercially viable cost because atm Irish market is used as a dumping ground for UK surpluses. Brexit might change that but will probably only change the source the market distorting surpluses are coming from.

Mad_maxx · 17-09-2019 02:38PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Diplometic immuni-TEH!!

Fun fact, guy on the left is played by a little known Irish actor

Mad_maxx · 17-09-2019 02:40PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Diplometic immuni-TEH!!

Fun fact, guy on the left is played by a little known Irish actor

We have plenty of grass, you can finish cattle on grass but it takes longer and is more suited to specific breeds

17-09-2019 02:48PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So this is a Garda bashing thread Op?

Please elaborate.

At the risk of disappointing you, it certainly isn't.

IAMAMORON · 17-09-2019 03:15PM

Vewy passive pal, please grow a pair.

I asked you to elaborate, no doubt you had notions of what direction you were hoping this really drab thread was going to go? Given how bland your opening argument of " why don't the cops beat up the farmers like they beat up the poor students and water protestors go " , I would have imagined you could have come up with a more robust response.

What is your point?

17-09-2019 03:19PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Vewy passive pal, please grow a pair.

I asked you to elaborate, no doubt you had notions of what direction you were hoping this really drab thread was going to go? Given how bland your opening argument of " why don't the cops beat up the farmers like they beat up the poor students and water protestors go " , I would have imagined you could have come up with a more robust response.

What is your point?

Drab? Ha ha. Check out the Fintan Cullen of Boards.

WB Yokes · 17-09-2019 03:19PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

The Occupy protesters were camped out on Dame Street for months and nobody came to beat them off the streets.

That was a pity.

17-09-2019 03:20PM

Just a thought, could the beef farmers be employed by the processors?
Like the processors buy the cattle, pay for the costs of reading them(feed etc) and employ the farmers with a salary to raise the cattle varying on the amount they can rear on their land? Granted they may not receive any grants personally anymore but they would would be in the same boat as receiving a salary as everyone else but still own their own land etc

jimgoose · 17-09-2019 03:21PM

If a handful of pups and professional shit-stirrers got a few flakes of a steel-cored baton, they were looking for it. That's nothing at all to what they would have got off the likes of the Gendarmes, Bundespolizei or the Guardia Civil, I can tell you.

Ipso · 17-09-2019 03:24PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

The Occupy protesters were camped out on Dame Street for months and nobody came to beat them off the streets.

Months well spent.

IAMAMORON · 17-09-2019 03:28PM

It is fine. Listen I respect that you started a thread to give yourself the opportunity to passively annihilate anyone who dare pass a comment on it.

So for the record here is my elaborated opinion, yours, not all that regrettably, remains outstanding. What is it?

But maybe, just maybe, the cops wouldn't be all that arsed getting booted up to go and attack a few hard working citizens who have decided to initiate a peaceful protest over an issue which actually counts towards their survival? It is probably highly likely that the Gards are empathising with the protestors in this instance.

Who is Fintan Cullen?

Del2005 · 17-09-2019 03:30PM

Like all good protest videos. Cuts to the Police doing something but never shows what happens the few seconds before to lead up to the police doing the "bad" thing.

17-09-2019 03:38PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is fine. Listen I respect that you started a thread to give yourself the opportunity to passively annihilate anyone who dare pass a comment on it.

So for the record here is my elaborated opinion, yours, not all that regrettably, remains outstanding. What is it?

But maybe, just maybe, the cops wouldn't be all that arsed getting booted up to go and attack a few hard working citizens who have decided to initiate a peaceful protest over an issue which actually counts towards their survival? It is probably highly likely that the Gards are empathising with the protestors in this instance.

Who is Fintan Cullen?

Quite likely to be the case.

Fintan Cullen is a harmless enough old character who fell on difficult times when the widespread introduction of on street disc parking replaced the ancient profession of Lockhardman.

Most of the picketing of the meat factories is illegal by the way.

IAMAMORON · 17-09-2019 03:40PM

My point exactly, the Gards are obviously not currently under instruction to break up the protests. They don't want to either by the looks of things.

selectamatic · 17-09-2019 03:41PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

Irish agriculture mainly produces dairy and beef products, but is hugely dependent on imported cereals to feed livestock. So it's difficult to imagine how Irish farmers will supply the country with food when the zombie apocalypse comes about.

No. The dairy and beef industries are hugely dependant on irish grown grass for feeding livestock. Be that in grazing, silage/hay or zerograzing.

Imported cereals are used by some mills to produce ration which can supplement but not replace grass. Ireland, parts of Britain and parts of New Zealand can produce some forms of livestock orientated produce in the most efficient and environmentally friendly way possible due to the abundance of grass.

The recent fodder crises were a result of a lack of grass particularly in western counties due to extremely poor weather conditions or in the south east due to drought. No amount of imported cereals could fully solve the issue in a way that would have made economical sense.

So unless the zombies start eating our grass we'll be sound.

AloneInTheDark · 17-09-2019 03:42PM

A lot of farmers voted Fine Gael in so they will be looking to protect their seats for the next election hence little action on the protests.

With 90% of beef exported, the best leaving the country and then they want to stop other countries exporting to the EU it's not helping their argument. I'd have no issue paying a few cent extra if the quality of what we see here was improved but meat is no longer hung or processed properly.

I'd say they are looking for a large increase which is not going to go down well. There are too many cattle including dairy and beef cattle, so this will affect supply and demand keeping prices low. Weather and climate change is not factored in by the EU where there is not enough feed or land for the population and it's going to get worse with the EU wanting more cattle.
CAP was set up to protect the French farmers and is also keeping the price low, then add in Brexit. With UK leaving the farmers know there will be less money coming in from subsidies. The current setup is unsustainable and EU farming practices need to change.

El Tarangu · 17-09-2019 04:02PM

.... righto...

jmayo · 17-09-2019 04:26PM

riffmongous
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There was a few posts over in the Farming forum about disrupting supermarkets with nuisance tactics, i did wonder if they would attract the same level of outrage as other protesters if posted over here

E.g. filling up trolleys and then abandoning them at the checkout during the busy times, or at closing, arguing with managers at the till about the origin of the meat and then refusing to pay etc

The reason for some of those protests was a supermarket chain would not answer questions from farming organisations how they were selling beef so cheaply and where were they sourcing it.

You know they might have wanted to know if it was the old "Irish produce branding" which is basically foreign sourced and packaged here mullarkey.

A number of farmers entered supermarkets throughout the country, put as much non spoilable products into trolleys and then left.
One farmer I heard of managed to get nearly 300 items into a trolley.
Fair dues.

And as far as I know the supermarket chain initiated a call with the farming organisation the very next day.
Result.

Maybe if more people had as much cop on and initiative big business and other large organisations would not be taking them always for a ride.
The problem is too many people just shrug their shoulders and then moan down the pub or online.

Amira Orange Sulfur
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Irish agriculture mainly produces dairy and beef products, but is hugely dependent on imported cereals to feed livestock. So it's difficult to imagine how Irish farmers will supply the country with food when the zombie apocalypse comes about.

Why should you care since aren't you over in the states probably eating hormone antibiotic laced meat reared on soya and maize.

jmayo · 17-09-2019 04:34PM

AloneInTheDark wrote: »

A lot of farmers voted Fine Gael in so they will be looking to protect their seats for the next election hence little action on the protests.

With 90% of beef exported, the best leaving the country and then they want to stop other countries exporting to the EU it's not helping their argument.

Why do some people have such a problem with farmers and indeed agri sector wanting to protect their export industry?
Would you like to see our only real indigenous industry finished and the ones at the bottom of it out of business entirely ?
And yes it is our only real indigenous industry because the rest could leave tomorrow.

AloneInTheDark wrote: »

I'd have no issue paying a few cent extra if the quality of what we see here was improved but meat is no longer hung or processed properly.

So you are blaming the farmers for that ?

Also maybe look at how butchers who would once slaughter and process the carcass have disappeared and now they often just buy the meat prepacked.

AloneInTheDark wrote: »

I'd say they are looking for a large increase which is not going to go down well. There are too many cattle including dairy and beef cattle, so this will affect supply and demand keeping prices low. Weather and climate change is not factored in by the EU where there is not enough feed or land for the population and it's going to get worse with the EU wanting more cattle.
CAP was set up to protect the French farmers and is also keeping the price low, then add in Brexit. With UK leaving the farmers know there will be less money coming in from subsidies. The current setup is unsustainable and EU farming practices need to change.

So if the EU has such supply why import from the likes of Brazil, with it's lower production standards and worse environmental impacts ?

Your Face · 17-09-2019 04:44PM

Allinall wrote: »

Farmers are downtrodden and don’t have Council houses.

Plenty of subsidies though.

17-09-2019 04:48PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Of course. People look down on working class people and young people, farmers not so much. They have more of a right to an opinion. You can see it in some of the above comments already. And off they will go...

Not sure why, the vast majority of them get their incomes from EU handouts.

17-09-2019 04:50PM

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of meat factory workers who have now lost their jobs. My dad RIP worked in this industry all his life and it used to piss him off no end when rural Ireland was discussed on RTE it was always "the farmers". The vast majority of rural people aren't farmers and don't get big handouts from the EU.

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