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Padre_Pio · 16-09-2019 01:09AM

TrueGael wrote: »

Since when have they had 1/16 th of the population?

Which doesn't even take into account that Gaelic Games are way more popular in Cork than the Pale

And round and round the conversation goes.

Dublin have gotten the Lions share of funding for a decade and no one has gone to the Congress to question it.

Why don't ye all organise yourselves instead of whinging on the internet.

Hawkeye9212 · 16-09-2019 01:17AM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

And round and round the conversation goes.

Dublin have gotten the Lions share of funding for a decade and no one has gone to the Congress to question it.

Why don't ye all organise yourselves instead of whinging on the internet.

Fans are voting with their feet. Attendences in Leinster are falling. Felt sorry for any Louth fan who bothered to travel down to Portlaoise.

RoyalCelt · 16-09-2019 05:24AM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Nobody in Leinster - since Meath lost the final today, Dublin are the only senior team left in the Leinster ladies championship, can’t remember who got relegated this year but it was a Leinster team

Cork will have a new manager - could be interesting, two goals were the difference g Dublin and Cork didn’t play well. Galways first final in a while will stand to them, Mayo lost to Galway by a point and it’s their first year post politics

I'm going to make a prediction that your team won't close the gap with Dublin and in a few years ye will be getting 10+ point hammerings.

beggars_bush · 16-09-2019 07:46AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, very true, and teams travelling to New York and London get fully refunded as well. One poster on here tried to claim that Mayo's expenses were so high because of those trips. Then again, there were claims that Aslan were responsible for Dublin's success.

The counties going to New York or London get a grant towards travel costs.
It nowhere near covers it.
In fact, counties have to do fundraising while in London or New York to help fund the rest of their season

When was the last time Dublin were out with buckets collecting for their senior team? Or selling lotto tickets

Have the Dublin players themselves ever had to run a fundraising draw to bring in extra money?

odyssey06 · 16-09-2019 09:10AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

The counties going to New York or London get a grant towards travel costs.
It nowhere near covers it.
In fact, counties have to do fundraising while in London or New York to help fund the rest of their season

The sums there dont add up. Are they coming back with more money than they went out?

Where did Mayo's 900000 in fundraising come from?

Or Kerrys 7 milion euros for their centre of excellence.

It wasnt from selling lotto tickets or collecting coins in a bucket.

If GAA or provincial council arent covering expenses for London or NY why havent the counties screamed blue murder about it at xongresses?
Why is it being talked about only in the context of Dublin.

odyssey06 · 16-09-2019 09:12AM

Edgware wrote: »

Generally pathetic. No fee at the gate if played in public parks. Thats why championship games are played at O Toole Park or Parnell Park. I've seen Dublin Junior County finals where there are 150 people at. In Monaghan, Armagh there could be 2000.
In the Dublin clubs most people follow the team their kids play in and dont bother their hole with any other team.

The difference is that Junior finals in Dublin are played for by clubs second third or fourth teams mostly.

BarryD2 · 16-09-2019 09:25AM

The Drive for Five has been done now. What's next?

Six is in the Mix
Seven will be Heaven
Eight won't be Bate
Nine will be Fine
and
Ten - Jaysus, where the hell has everyone gone?

16-09-2019 09:36AM

Dublin team/fans have always had a great attitude towards the GAA. We will all remember how tough the late 90s and 00s were on us. We were a decent side at times, but fragile mentally and defensively.
We all remember how bitter it was to swallow throwing away 7 point leads. Or getting thrashed when we played a top side. But we never complained. Always accepted our own shortcomings.

Then Pat Gilroy came along and worked hard on the defense. He made us a very tough side to beat. Mentally we were much stronger. It was enough to finally win an All Ireland.

Then Jim Gavin came along with a bunch of good forwards, and started to turn us into the machine we are today. Strong defensively, strong mentally, strong in attack.

Rewarded for years and years of hard work.
It’s an insult to that hard work to simply suggest that population or money is the only reason we are winning.

I certainly hope Kerry aren’t sitting around sulking. They should be wondering why they only managed 5 points in the 2nd half. Why they blasted their goal chance right at Cluxton. Why they dropped off in the last 15 mins of both games.

Finding the answers to those questions is what will make them champions, not sulking.

BarryD2 · 16-09-2019 09:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I certainly hope Kerry aren’t sitting around sulking. They should be wondering why they only managed 5 points in the 2nd half. Why they blasted their goal chance right at Cluxton. Why they dropped off in the last 15 mins of both games. Finding the answers to those questions is what will make them champions, not sulking.

Quite possibly but it isn't Kerry you should be bothered about. It's the the likes of Wicklow, Carlow, Louth, Meath, Wexford, Kildare, Offaly etc. Are they condemned to be wastelands of success for another 15 years and more?

Edgware · 16-09-2019 09:53AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The difference is that Junior finals in Dublin are played for by clubs second third or fourth teams mostly.

Clubs in the country also have junior and intermediate teams so what is your point? Only Senior teams should be supported?

Edgware · 16-09-2019 09:56AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Quite possibly but it isn't Kerry you should be bothered about. It's the the likes of Wicklow, Carlow, Louth, Meath, Wexford, Kildare, Offaly etc. Are they condemned to be wastelands of success for another 15 years and more?

Counties with big populations and traditionally strong like Cork Galway Meath Kildare have no excuse. The playing population is there just to get as organised as Dublin.

BarryD2 · 16-09-2019 10:03AM

Edgware wrote: »

Counties with big populations and traditionally strong like Cork Galway Meath Kildare have no excuse. The playing population is there just to get as organised as Dublin.

I think you have a point re Cork. Galway population is very much based on the city and a few satellite towns/ villages - rural areas are pretty sparse. Meath & Kildare may have large populations but they're effectively feeder regions for Dublin as an economic centre. They're not 'independent' like Cork.

Happyilylost · 16-09-2019 10:08AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The sums there dont add up. Are they coming back with more money than they went out?

Where did Mayo's 900000 in fundraising come from?

Or Kerrys 7 milion euros for their centre of excellence.

It wasnt from selling lotto tickets or collecting coins in a bucket.

If GAA or provincial council arent covering expenses for London or NY why havent the counties screamed blue murder about it at xongresses?
Why is it being talked about only in the context of Dublin.

Galway are streets behind Mayo when it comes to fundraising unfortunately. They had a thing in New York last year where they organised a dinner and tables were as high as $25,000 for a table of ten. Galway were in London and the extra team members who were injured had to pay for their own flights. (Paul Conroy being one as I spoke to him over there). Galway have a 2020 draw at the moment which is trying to increase our coffers but look at both ladies teams they were out with cap in hand and buckets trying to raise funds for their All Ireland Finals. Its distracting. Our hurling manager was expected to do a certain amount of fundraising. He wanted this to stop. County board said if it stopped his allocation of funds would be reduced. He left. I could go on and on. Simply put as a Galway person and involved in GAA in Galway I can say hand on heart even when you take away all the pain and dishonesty our own county board have cost us we do not have the funds available to run the amount of competitive teams we have season on season. Not saying this is Dublin faults or anyone's fault but it is the reality of the situation. Funding from Croke Park has no rhyme or reason to it either and is difficult to understand.

dunnerc · 16-09-2019 10:14AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

Quite possibly but it isn't Kerry you should be bothered about. It's the the likes of Wicklow, Carlow, Louth, Meath, Wexford, Kildare, Offaly etc. Are they condemned to be wastelands of success for another 15 years and more?

Lets not forget these counties , condemned to the wastelands of success like forever !!

Waterford - 1 Munster title 1898
Limerick - 1 Munster title 1896
Clare - 2 Munster titles 1917,1992

Do you ever think about the disaster in Munster , or is it only Leinster and the big bad Dubs you are concerned about ?:rolleyes:

threeball · 16-09-2019 10:33AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

odyssey06 wrote: »

The sums there dont add up. Are they coming back with more money than they went out?

Where did Mayo's 900000 in fundraising come from?

Or Kerrys 7 milion euros for their centre of excellence.

It wasnt from selling lotto tickets or collecting coins in a bucket.

If GAA or provincial council arent covering expenses for London or NY why havent the counties screamed blue murder about it at xongresses?
Why is it being talked about only in the context of Dublin.

Galway are streets behind Mayo when it comes to fundraising unfortunately. They had a thing in New York last year where they organised a dinner and tables were as high as $25,000 for a table of ten. Galway were in London and the extra team members who were injured had to pay for their own flights. (Paul Conroy being one as I spoke to him over there). Galway have a 2020 draw at the moment which is trying to increase our coffers but look at both ladies teams they were out with cap in hand and buckets trying to raise funds for their All Ireland Finals. Its distracting. Our hurling manager was expected to do a certain amount of fundraising. He wanted this to stop. County board said if it stopped his allocation of funds would be reduced. He left. I could go on and on. Simply put as a Galway person and involved in GAA in Galway I can say hand on heart even when you take away all the pain and dishonesty our own county board have cost us we do not have the funds available to run the amount of competitive teams we have season on season. Not saying this is Dublin faults or anyone's fault but it is the reality of the situation. Funding from Croke Park has no rhyme or reason to it either and is difficult to understand.

Agree 100%. Galway put out more teams are consistently more competitive across all competitions bar possibly Cork yet this fact is not represented in the funding received. We receive the same funding as a county who might field only a football team and are only at the business end in possibly two grades. How that is fair and equitable is anyone's guess. It's an extremely flawed and biased model the gaa uses with all sorts of horse trading and backroom deals.

Fan of Netflix · 16-09-2019 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin team/fans have always had a great attitude towards the GAA. We will all remember how tough the late 90s and 00s were on us. We were a decent side at times, but fragile mentally and defensively.
We all remember how bitter it was to swallow throwing away 7 point leads. Or getting thrashed when we played a top side. But we never complained. Always accepted our own shortcomings.

Then Pat Gilroy came along and worked hard on the defense. He made us a very tough side to beat. Mentally we were much stronger. It was enough to finally win an All Ireland.

Then Jim Gavin came along with a bunch of good forwards, and started to turn us into the machine we are today. Strong defensively, strong mentally, strong in attack.

Rewarded for years and years of hard work.
It’s an insult to that hard work to simply suggest that population or money is the only reason we are winning.

I certainly hope Kerry aren’t sitting around sulking. They should be wondering why they only managed 5 points in the 2nd half. Why they blasted their goal chance right at Cluxton. Why they dropped off in the last 15 mins of both games.

Finding the answers to those questions is what will make them champions, not sulking.

From 1990 to 2002 Dublin won 5 Leinster championships and 1 All Ireland. Hardly a barren period is it. Trying supporting literally any other county outside the top handful. This rewriting of history that Dublin were ****e in the 90s and early 00s is just not true. They were always up at the top level.

TrueGael · 16-09-2019 10:39AM

I love the moralising from the AIG propagandists on how everyone else should do better and do what we do. Its like saying the corner shop should ''work harder'' to get the same profit margins as Dunnes Stores. Goebbels would be proud

The same crowd who couldn't win a raffle (despite already have a load of advantages) until they were injected with millions upon millions

Fan of Netflix · 16-09-2019 10:43AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

I think you have a point re Cork. Galway population is very much based on the city and a few satellite towns/ villages - rural areas are pretty sparse. Meath & Kildare may have large populations but they're effectively feeder regions for Dublin as an economic centre. They're not 'independent' like Cork.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Yes Kildare/Meath are part of the "Greater Dublin" economic area but surely that could be an advantage due to increased population.

Unless players are living in Kildare/Meath and playing with Dublin? I'm sure there are plenty living there though for work that go back to their home counties and foreign people who have no interest, but there is still plenty of young families in Kildare/Meath, people buying houses etc.

beggars_bush · 16-09-2019 10:54AM

doc_17 wrote: »

How much will Dublin players charge for their appearance at events over the next few weeks?

I meant to add, I know one or two Dublin players have come down to local clubs here for medal presentations and haven't looked for a cent, and actually refused an envelope handed to them in one instance

TrueGael · 16-09-2019 11:11AM

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean here. Yes Kildare/Meath are part of the "Greater Dublin" economic area but surely that could be an advantage due to increased population.

Unless players are living in Kildare/Meath and playing with Dublin? I'm sure there are plenty living there though for work that go back to their home counties and foreign people who have no interest, but there is still plenty of young families in Kildare/Meath, people buying houses etc.

Its of no advantage when they have no involvement in Meath/Kildare GAA, only dilutes identity

Powerhouse · 16-09-2019 11:19AM

touts wrote: »

The financial and population "doping" advantage that Dublin have is just too extreme. The definition of "Dublin" used by the GAA is out of date and now encompasses three counties "Dublin" "Fingal" and "Dunlaoire-Rathdown". What we effectively have is a hybrid team made up of the players and resources from three counties.

It is strange in a GAA context to see these as three counties. It's like saying that an area overseen by a corporation is not the same county as the area overseen by the county council. They are just local government conveniences which have been altered over time across many counties. Strange that some people cling to them when making this argument about Dublin as if they have ever had a GAA validity.

In reality, at the moment, Dublin could pick a team from a five-mile radius of Whitehall church which would win the All-Ireland. That's an area the size of a few parishes in rural counties. The hybrid team thing has rhetorical attraction no doubt but in reality hold little water.

Fan of Netflix · 16-09-2019 11:25AM

TrueGael wrote: »

Its of no advantage when they have no involvement in Meath/Kildare GAA, only dilutes identity

Yeah I often see Ewan Mackenna post on this. But at the same time the kids of Dubs would be playing for Kildare/Meath clubs no? The adult Dubs will still support the Dubs but should be able to get the kids playing local football.

I'm in Cavan and it's not much different here plenty of Dubs living here too. It doesn't really rankle as much here though because Cavan and Dublin aren't "rivals" really. Unlike Kildare/Meath and Dublin.

Hammer Archer · 16-09-2019 11:29AM

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Yeah I often see Ewan Mackenna post on this. But at the same time the kids of Dubs would be playing for Kildare/Meath clubs no? The adult Dubs will still support the Dubs but should be able to get the kids playing local football.

I'm in Cavan and it's not much different here plenty of Dubs living here too. It doesn't really rankle as much here though because Cavan and Dublin aren't "rivals" really. Unlike Kildare/Meath and Dublin.

The kids may be playing with local clubs (though some will play with their parents' clubs if they live close enough to the border) but they will still 100% support Dublin and are very unlikely to put on a Meath/Kildare shirt if they'd be good enough to line out with Dublin.

Tombo2001 · 16-09-2019 11:30AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

It is strange in a GAA context to see these as three counties. It's like saying that an area overseen by a corporation is not the same county as the area overseen by the county council. They are just local government conveniences which have been altered over time across many counties. Strange that some people cling to them when making this argument about Dublin as if they have ever had a GAA validity.

In reality, at the moment, Dublin could pick a team from a five-mile radius of Whitehall church which would win the All-Ireland. That's an area the size of a few parishes in rural counties. The hybrid team thing has rhetorical attraction no doubt but in reality hold little water.

There would be a population of 200'000 in that area, its more than a few parishes.

Tombo2001 · 16-09-2019 11:36AM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

The kids may be playing with local clubs (though some will play with their parents' clubs if they live close enough to the border) but they will still 100% support Dublin and are very unlikely to put on a Meath/Kildare shirt if they'd be good enough to line out with Dublin.

I cant think of too many players that Meath or Kildare have 'lost' to Dublin.

I'd possibly say where they do lose out is that a lot of people living in Kildare and Meath have long commutes. I am guessing that clubs suffer because of this as people have less time to give to mentoring and coaching, might be wrong completely. Would be interested to hear on this from people based in Dunboyne or the likes.

I have a friend living there who said her son was they only boy in his class in the local gaa club.

I was actually shocked, as in my kids class (within 5k radius of Whitehall Church!!) every single boy bar one is in the local gaa club. And the 'bar one' is in a rival club.

And because I suppose I'd always have perceived Meath as a football county.

On another thing - why do people reference Ewan McKenna? Irish journalist living in Brazil - you are being kidded if you take his opinion as somehow relevant - there are tens of thousands of people that are involved in clubs day in day out and know a lot more about what is happening on the ground that Ewan McKenna.

Powerhouse · 16-09-2019 11:47AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There would be a population of 200'000 in that area, its more than a few parishes.

I never mentioned population. You are completely missing my point which is that the idea that Dublin are bring players from three or four counties is ridiculous. The could pick from an area the size of a few rural parishes and win the All Ireland. Their players come from a much more restricted pockets of the county. There are vast swathes of the place which are GAA wastelands. Again I never mentioned population. Bit dealing with your point it is hardly a major breakthrough to suggest that Dublin has a higher population density than other places in Ireland. We know that. That's why I never mentioned it. Let's discuss the stuff that is not obvious.

As for a population of 200,000.................as Meath and Kildare (and Cork and Galway) have shown that's not a guarantee of anything.

Fan of Netflix · 16-09-2019 12:02PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I cant think of too many players that Meath or Kildare have 'lost' to Dublin.

I'd possibly say where they do lose out is that a lot of people living in Kildare and Meath have long commutes. I am guessing that clubs suffer because of this as people have less time to give to mentoring and coaching, might be wrong completely. Would be interested to hear on this from people based in Dunboyne or the likes.

I have a friend living there who said her son was they only boy in his class in the local gaa club.

I was actually shocked, as in my kids class (within 5k radius of Whitehall Church!!) every single boy bar one is in the local gaa club. And the 'bar one' is in a rival club.

And because I suppose I'd always have perceived Meath as a football county.

On another thing - why do people reference Ewan McKenna? Irish journalist living in Brazil - you are being kidded if you take his opinion as somehow relevant - there are tens of thousands of people that are involved in clubs day in day out and know a lot more about what is happening on the ground that Ewan McKenna.

Where do the other kids in your friends sons class play with?

I think Mackenna is in Portugal now but often retweets Meath and Kildare people talking about this. There was one yesterday from Ashbourne Credit Union which obviously was some Dub with a chip on his shoulder working there. I thought it in poor taste lavishing praise on Dublin and basically having a go at locals not supporting them and how Dean Rock was one of their own.

I think some Dubs don't help themselves going on like that. I was in the local for the game and some of the local Dubs were in and it was good banter with them though. I'm not sure how I'd feel though if I was in Ashbourne or Dunboyne and went in and it was all Dubs though.

Tombo2001 · 16-09-2019 12:11PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

I never mentioned population. You are completely missing my point which is that the idea that Dublin are bring players from three or four counties is ridiculous. The could pick from an area the size of a few rural parishes and win the All Ireland. Their players come from a much more restricted pockets of the county. There are vast swathes of the place which are GAA wastelands. Again I never mentioned population. Bit dealing with your point it is hardly a major breakthrough to suggest that Dublin has a higher population density than other places in Ireland. We know that. That's why I never mentioned it. Let's discuss the stuff that is not obvious.

As for a population of 200,000.................as Meath and Kildare (and Cork and Galway) have shown that's not a guarantee of anything.

Yes I am completely missing your point to be honest.

Yes I get that Dublin dont need to cherry pick players from Kildare or Meath. But thats not really a big debating point.

No I dont get that population doesnt matter. What you are referring to - 'the size of a few rural parishes' is the the entire Northside of Dublin City. Thats a lot of people.

Where incidentally are the vast swathes of GAA Wasteland in Dublin.

Looking around say on the northside - the only area I see that is NOT well served by a GAA clubs is ironically in and around Croke Park, East Wall, North Strand and Sean McDermott Street area. Historically some of these would go with Scoil Ui Chonaill but thats out in Clontarf. Otherwise its a soccer area.

Tombo2001 · 16-09-2019 12:15PM

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Where do the other kids in your friends sons class play with?

I think Mackenna is in Portugal now but often retweets Meath and Kildare people talking about this. There was one yesterday from Ashbourne Credit Union which obviously was some Dub with a chip on his shoulder working there. I thought it in poor taste lavishing praise on Dublin and basically having a go at locals not supporting them and how Dean Rock was one of their own.

I think some Dubs don't help themselves going on like that. I was in the local for the game and some of the local Dubs were in and it was good banter with them though. I'm not sure how I'd feel though if I was in Ashbourne or Dunboyne and went in and it was all Dubs though.

Dean Rock is from Garristown.

Ironically - if you went back 30 years ago there was never an Ashbourne player on any of the Sean Boylan teams that won an all Ireland.

Even though Ashbourne was a good big town then, as big as Trim or Athboy.

Never one, not even on the subs bench. And thats across maybe 60 or 70 players that would have made the teams for those various finals.

Never a Ratoath player either.

Now Ashbourne and Ratoath both have absolutely fantastic GAA clubs, and both regularly contribute players to the senior county team.

So I really dont see how this argument stacks up in any way - that somehow Meath is disadvantaged because Ashbourne players are Dubs at heart.....

BarryD2 · 16-09-2019 12:20PM

dunnerc wrote: »

Lets not forget these counties , condemned to the wastelands of success like forever !!

Waterford - 1 Munster title 1898
Limerick - 1 Munster title 1896
Clare - 2 Munster titles 1917,1992

Do you ever think about the disaster in Munster , or is it only Leinster and the big bad Dubs you are concerned about ?:rolleyes:

Because if you're going to make an argument to challenge the success of Dublin at AI level, you need to look first at Leinster where they have dominated since 2005, 14 years with one blip. That could be the future.

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