Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Enzokk · 11-09-2019 07:31PM

dublinjock wrote: »

The real winners are yet to be shown, if the UK dont brexit what will come out of the ashes is a large proportion of England becoming nationalist in view. That chancer Farage is the least to worry about. You would want to worry about who is behind him.

No, the winners has been shown and they are the hedge funds that bet against Remain in 2016 and the likes of Farage who has been kept in the news and collected donations for his company.

How Crispin Odey funded Brexit and then bet on the UK's economic downfall

After the referendum he was reported to have made $300m at his fund, and told the BBC of his success: “There’s that Italian expression, ‘Al mattino ha l’oro in bocca’ — the morning has gold in its mouth.”

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-09-2019 07:36PM

dublinjock wrote: »

Im finding it all bizarre to be honest. The UK house of commons has proved to be undemocratic. Im still the same on the EU being undemocratic.

You can vote through the post or by proxy, get someone to do this for you. If you google it your find its quite easy to do.

But i dont think voting will change anything.

So you actually think I (or any member of the public) can vote for the members of the UK upper house? clucking bell!

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-09-2019 07:38PM

dublinjock wrote: »

Yes im aware the PM does not have to be an MP. This is wrong totally wrong.
In Scotalnd our first minister is not an MP Nicola Sturgeon.

She is elected to the Scottish Parliament (MSP)

Bit cynical · 11-09-2019 07:40PM

Bit of good news is that No. 10 has rejected a call from Farage's Brexit Party to form a pact in an upcoming election thereby assuring a large Brexit majority.

Farage of course could still be sneaky and poach mainly Labour votes in Labour brexit voting constituencies.

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 07:40PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The questions that I put to you are now the outcome of Brexit. If you are not qualified to answer them then why on earth did you choose to change from the status quo by voting leave?
As for NI and the two governments, there is only one government forcing the introduction of a border. However, Ireland has never said that it would not protect its trade as a member of the EU. In fact Ireland has maintained a consistent position in terms of the border - it does not want one but should one be imposed by the UK leaving the EU then Ireland and the EU will defend the union. The idea that there won't be one despite different regulatory areas is childish nonsense and shows the level of immaturity by the UK in its defence of the Brexit scam.
The UK is the one diverging. Only the UK!
And it is not doing it for the benefit of it's citizens. There will be very few winners and they are all already very wealthy.
The vast majority of UK citizens will lose out. In addition, you are likely seeing the final days of the UK as you know it!

I told you why i voted to leave, you dont accept or agree with it so lets leave it at that.
I wouldn't mind independence from London/UK. I voted to leave the UK as well as the EU. But if i was to bet my money would be on Scotland staying in the UK. But maybe Brexit will give us our independence from the UK.

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 07:42PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

So you actually think I (or any member of the public) can vote for the members of the UK upper house? clucking bell!

Sorry i thought you was talking about voting in the UK general election from Ireland. Your clucking bell was well deserved.

VinLieger · 11-09-2019 07:44PM

dublinjock wrote: »

I told you why i voted to leave, you dont accept or agree with it so lets leave it at that.
I wouldn't mind independence from London/UK. I voted to leave the UK as well as the EU. But if i was to bet my money would be on Scotland staying in the UK. But maybe Brexit will give us our independence from the UK.

Beyond the incredibly broad and objectively inaccurate reason of the EU being undemocratic why else do you want to leave it may I ask?

woohoo!!! · 11-09-2019 07:45PM

I don't see why posters are giving dublinjock a hard time. All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago. I just see a poster trying to make sense of the mess who says he voted Brexit, presumably being one of many who fell for the lies of the leave campaign.

Or precisely the type of Brexit voter who could change their mind.

Bit cynical · 11-09-2019 07:51PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago.

Not always correct now either, some of them.

VinLieger · 11-09-2019 07:51PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

I don't see why posters are giving dublinjock a hard time. All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago. I just see a poster trying to make sense of the mess who says he voted Brexit, presumably being one of many who fell for the lies of the leave campaign.

Or precisely the type of Brexit voter who could change their mind.

Asking questions on what they have posted and correcting misinformation about the EU, UK and Brexit is hardly giving them a hard time.

Call me Al · 11-09-2019 07:53PM

dublinjock wrote: »

I told you why i voted to leave, you dont accept or agree with it so lets leave it at that.
I wouldn't mind independence from London/UK. I voted to leave the UK as well as the EU. But if i was to bet my money would be on Scotland staying in the UK. But maybe Brexit will give us our independence from the UK.

You didnt do your research, and based your vote on inaccurate and misleading information. You placed your trust in your politicians, and you expected them to act in the national interest, but they turned out to be ignorant arrogant con-men and shysters who have left a trail of destruction in their wake. They have proved to be at best duplicitous and at worst potentially treasonous.

Personally I can't understand why you're not hopping mad that your trust/vote has been abused and thrown back in your face, whilst being used as justification for a no-deal Brexit, and the fallout that will ensue, when that was never your expectation or understanding of the process.

Inquitus · 11-09-2019 07:53PM

Operation Yellowhammer is up

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:00PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Beyond the incredibly broad and objectively inaccurate reason of the EU being undemocratic why else do you want to leave it may I ask?

I want to be unshackled from London, i dont then want to be shackled to the EU.

VinLieger · 11-09-2019 08:01PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Operation Yellowhammer is up

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Is this the the full document? Have they also released the messages and other info requested?

ath262 · 11-09-2019 08:01PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Operation Yellowhammer is up

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

BBC Economics ED. Faisal Islam believes that the blanked out section 15 covers some details on oil refineries..

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1171858712803401728

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:02PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

I don't see why posters are giving dublinjock a hard time. All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago. I just see a poster trying to make sense of the mess who says he voted Brexit, presumably being one of many who fell for the lies of the leave campaign.

Or precisely the type of Brexit voter who could change their mind.

Thanks but i wont be changing my mind.
The forum is the same as people in thr UK everyone is an expert everyone knows best. Im finding many wonyt talk about there views because of the grief they get.

prawnsambo · 11-09-2019 08:03PM

dublinjock wrote: »

I want to be unshackled from London, i dont then want to be shackled to the EU.

You're in the right country and the wrong country in that order.

woohoo!!! · 11-09-2019 08:05PM

dublinjock wrote: »

woohoo!!! wrote: »

I don't see why posters are giving dublinjock a hard time. All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago. I just see a poster trying to make sense of the mess who says he voted Brexit, presumably being one of many who fell for the lies of the leave campaign.

Or precisely the type of Brexit voter who could change their mind.

Thanks but i wont be changing my mind.
The forum is the same as people in thr UK everyone is an expert everyone knows best. Im finding many wonyt talk about there views because of the grief they get.

Fair enough, it's good to see the other side of an argument and not confine oneself to an echo chamber.

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:06PM

Call me Al wrote: »

You didnt do your research, and based your vote on inaccurate and misleading information. You placed your trust in your politicians, and you expected them to act in the national interest, but they turned out to be ignorant arrogant con-men and shysters who have left a trail of destruction in their wake. They have proved to be at best duplicitous and at worst potentially treasonous.

Personally I can't understand why you're not hopping mad that your trust/vote has been abused and thrown back in your face, whilst being used as justification for a no-deal Brexit, and the fallout that will ensue, when that was never your expectation or understanding of the process.

Yes your right i so agree i gace my MP instructions and they threw it in my face. You cannot trust polictins this you are right.

I am hoping mad we voted to leave yet i dont think we will. This is all going to end badly. I only expected for the referendum to be honored i was a fool.

Dante7 · 11-09-2019 08:06PM

What were the elements of the original Withdrawal Agreement that caused it to be voted down? What needs to be renovated? Will a re-worded NI only backstop be acceptable?

VinLieger · 11-09-2019 08:07PM

dublinjock wrote: »

Thanks but i wont be changing my mind.
The forum is the same as people in thr UK everyone is an expert everyone knows best. Im finding many wonyt talk about there views because of the grief they get.

Apologies if I've come across as antagonistic but im honestly really curious as to why you dislike the EU so much.

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:08PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Fair enough, it's good to see the other side of an argument and not confine oneself to an echo chamber.

Yes its always good to see both sides agree or not agree we all should always be allowed our views.

Calina · 11-09-2019 08:08PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Operation Yellowhammer is up

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Planning assumptions only, no mitigation planning. Either this is incomplete or they are a total shambles.

I would have expected far more detail.

woohoo!!! · 11-09-2019 08:10PM

VinLieger wrote: »

woohoo!!! wrote: »

I don't see why posters are giving dublinjock a hard time. All these self confirmed experts on the EU, how it works, more than likely wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago. I just see a poster trying to make sense of the mess who says he voted Brexit, presumably being one of many who fell for the lies of the leave campaign.

Or precisely the type of Brexit voter who could change their mind.

Asking questions on what they have posted and correcting misinformation about the EU, UK and Brexit is hardly giving them a hard time.

Sure, it's the dismissive I know better than you tone, that grates. And precisely why the remain argument in the UK is alienating potential swing votes. All in the background of decades of anti EU lies.

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:10PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Apologies if I've come across as antagonistic but im honestly really curious as to why you dislike the EU so much.

To be honest i have been full of leaving the UK and only in the last few years gave the EU much thought.
But the more i learn and talk to people the more i worry, like the London is undemocratic to Scotland i fear the EU will be as bad.

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-09-2019 08:10PM

dublinjock wrote: »

Yes your right i so agree i gace my MP instructions and they threw it in my face. You cannot trust polictins this you are right.

I am hoping mad we voted to leave yet i dont think we will. This is all going to end badly. I only expected for the referendum to be honored i was a fool.

Which MP, I thought you were resident in Ireland?

Itssoeasy · 11-09-2019 08:13PM

Having read through that document(I wonder what paragraph 15 says.) and if there are still people on the UK thinking that a no deal brexit would be all sunshine and rainbows then I'm sorry but they need their heads examined.

ath262 · 11-09-2019 08:16PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Having read through that document(I wonder what paragraph 15 says.) ...

apparently covers risks relating to Oil Supply and refineries

dublinjock · 11-09-2019 08:17PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Which MP, I thought you were resident in Ireland?

Stewart Hosie

Stewart Hosie.
I live here yes but you can still vote in the UK elections. This all part of the common area. I can vote in all elections in Ireland and the UK. I cannot vote in Ireland referendums.

Tell me how · 11-09-2019 08:19PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Operation Yellowhammer is up

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Something chilling about the simplicity of the language.

17 Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel.

That sentence could result in everything from price fixing to rioting.
Thankfully Farage, JRM, Banks et al are standing up for the working class against the big bad EU.

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