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We all know pr1cks like Neville who always have to have the last word and think they are witty but they are just an asshole

Giselle Future Blouse wrote: »

I'm fairness, everyone turned up to listen to Keane and Neville, not Joe.

Exactly, but that’s what Joe and Dan had been doing during the interview, they just let Roy at it, it was just this instance that Joe intervened and tbf should’ve let Neville asked his question. But there was absolute no need for Neville’s reaction.

Something that also I haven’t seen mentioned was Roy’s comments on Kenny Cunningham. I’d say that out Joe in an uncomfortable position. I like Kenny on the show so it’ll be interesting to see what he’s to say!

siblers wrote: »

What he said about Walters regarding his personal life seemed to be largely taken out of context. I'll need to listen to the whole thing but seemed it was about Walter's bitching about Keane that he was having a dig at and not about Walter's family

I watched the whole thing to see what the fuss was about, and so the words are not taken in isolation.
I think you have it spot on Keane mentioned the family situation more as a throw-away part of his answer meaning is was all over the media He then mentioned numerous times that Walters should have 'laid low'

The 'crying on tv about his family situation' clearly makes a more sensational headline for the journalists though. Which is understandable.

I thought the dynamic of the whole thing was odd most questions Neville were asked were about 'Roy Keane' most of the time. With Keane sitting beside him.
It seemed very odd.
If the English are guilty of fawning over Gary Neville - surely the same accusation can surely be leveled to the Irish media's treatment of Roy Keane?
The more than a footballer persona/myth etc.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I watched the whole thing to see what the fuss was about, and so the words are not taken in isolation.
I think you have it spot on Keane mentioned the family situation more as a throw-away part of his answer meaning is was all over the media He then mentioned numerous times that Walters should have 'laid low'

The 'crying on tv about his family situation' clearly makes a more sensational headline for the journalists though. Which is understandable.

I thought the dynamic of the whole thing was odd most questions Neville were asked were about 'Roy Keane' most of the time. With Keane sitting beside him.
It seemed very odd.
If the English are guilty of fawning over Gary Neville - surely the same accusation can surely be leveled to the Irish media's treatment of Roy Keane?
The more than a footballer persona/myth etc.

Not just the media.
The crowd breaking into 'Keano', 'Keano', 'Keano' was a bit much.

Given how much Keane said about his view of modern players, and how he rates a player based on their medal haul, I'd have liked to see Nathan or Joe asked him if he could see how that would be a problem for him being considered for managerial roles.

Can't imagine a squad full of players who would buy in to this in todays game.

holyhead wrote: »

The way Keane turned on the presenter over Walters was fascinating and telling. I’ll be amazed having watched the 2 hours if he gets a club management position in the future.

I would say most championship level teams in England and downward would still take him. Especially if they wanted to get a bit of profile for thier club. Even though Keane said he hates watching it.

In Ireland Cork City is not an option, because Neale Fenn just got that job.

I thought Neville came across worse than Keane tbh. That interaction with Joe was cringeworthy, he made a complete tool of himself. And then giggling like a 4 year old girl at stuff Keane was saying that wasn't even that funny... my god, that squeaky laugh :mad:

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

Obviously we know these guys live on a different planet to most of us in terms of money. But I felt all that talk about Villas in Spain/Portugal not being up to scratch and 5k fines being "small change" (or words to that effect) just served to highlight how far removed Keane/Neville and their ilk are from us mere mortals. A real arrogance about it that I didn't like.

JoeA3 wrote: »

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

I thought it was a bit ironic to mention a certain player living off scoring a goal against Holland for 20 years while also talking about a lot of things which happened 15-20 years ago.

This is another example where you'd think an ad visor would point out the conflict with a lot of what he says and how it will impede him going back in to management.

JoeA3 wrote: »

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

Tell me how wrote: »

I thought it was a bit ironic to mention a certain player living off scoring a goal against Holland for 20 years while also talking about a lot of things which happened 15-20 years ago.

This is another example where you'd think an ad visor would point out the conflict with a lot of what he says and how it will impede him going back in to management.

In fairness to Keane though he was asked about his views on Ferguson - all his most recent dealings with Ferguson were 14 years ago - he was also asked about Siapan by Joe who attempted to try and get the 'how were you feeling' angle. (which fell a bit flat)

Keane has not changed his view on Ferguson he did not like the 'manner' he was told to leave - the club gave him a prepared statement etc - rather than saying you can leave in January etc. Keane said he would have said fair enough to that.

Also his reaction to the Siapan question was here we go again - sick of talking about it - but he spoke about it quickly and humoured Joe.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It always amazes me that there are people out there who, if they have kind or empathic ideas (say, acknowledging mental health awareness, or not being a dick to women) a small minority of people think that it's an insincere or contrived outlook.

I think the lads on OTB are all very forthright. I believe they do call things as they see them -- it's just that they have a different opinion to you.

That implies that maybe you just dislike them because they have a different outlook.

I don't know what Keane's politics are, but I actually do like him. It's just a hunch, but I reckon he'd have a few choice words for people who act the dick towards others for ideological reasons. Keane's never struck me as a bleeding heart, but I doubt he's a Conservative.

I think you are missing my underlying point, there is no real alternative viewpoint on OTB it is all very samey.
Oh great point x, thank you y, z agrees.

Even if you look at this site why has it survived so long?
It is viewed as a antiquated form of media by some younger generations.
But it provides contrary opinion it stimulates debate.

There just does not seem to be that in OTB. How often is there real genuine contrary opinion?
Which is why the Keane interview has caused so much controversy someone who actually has alternate viewpoints and shoots from the hip.
Not 'playing as devils advocate' actually saying what he thinks.

As for my contrived outlook comment yes I think that is true for Ger Gilroy in particular. I always get the sense that he just want to be the smug right person, who is full of self important faux gravitas.
He seems a lot like Gary Neville in that way.
If you watch the bit where Gary Neville says first says 'my time in Valencia' making his 'serious' point. Some of the crowd start laughing Gary is uncomfortable and keeps going.
That would never have happened in England. The audience would pander to him in the UK (for the most-part) he is Gary Neville.
From this point of view it was also interesting to see others comments online, who have not viewed Joe/Nathan before and are from outside Ireland. It is a vastly different viewpoint/mindset.

If you think most people in the media are 'forthright' why is there public relations, marketing, spin? Why do only certain programmes get viewed by the same people? It is because the people the programme is aimed at largely agree with the comments, then it leads to a groupthink.
Who is the advertising aimed at who are the target audience? Largely the same group of people.
It is much safer these days to sound the same, to have the homogeneous view. To be careful toe the party line, or at least appear to.

As I said before I am not a fan of Keane, but at least he says what he thinks.But he makes people think about thier viewpoints, gives an alternative view, in the same way that you are giving an alternate view to mine.
Maybe it is the minority group you might have a point there, but on the other hand that might only be the minority within a certain demographic or target audience.

This would be a really boring conversation if we agreed with each other.
I can say maybe you have a point about xyz, but not abc.

OTB has just become largely like those morning breakfast shows where the female host giggles/ agrees/laughs at everything the male host says. (Whether it is funny or true).
Which is why the Keane OTB roadshow got so much traction it was opinion honestly given, and different to the majority.

I did enjoy listening to the interview, there was one point during the interview where keane talks about "not being fooled by SAF man management" when he got rid of bruce, robson etc.

But earlier in the interview he talks about man management being one of SAF strengths ! Now, i could be wrong on this but i remember thinking at the time that he contradicted himself, but he did say in the interview that he was a "walking contradiction"

Thought that Walters came across quite well with his response to Keane on that YouTube show.

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I heard Wooly's podcast about Brolly and Whelan the other night and it was like a breath of fresh air compared to OTB. He basically got stuck in to everybody, not shackled by the political correctness and not in fear of his life of offending somebody. Always enjoyed him on OTB, and his own show is very entertaining.

He had a right go at Brolly last week, and criticised Whelan for his 180 on the Clifford decision. Cant wait for his next podcast after the Brolly call to David Gough.

Yeah, Wooly is good for the bit of getting the heckles up.

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Very badly mistreated, by Joe and Ger and their sidekicks. Almost bullied into being the class clown on radio every night, humiliating stuff, although had a great insight into sports all round. He was new to it and either took it in the ass for a while or was just naive and an all round piss take, I'd say he looks back and cringes at what he had to endure from his co-hosts. What exactly was the fall out or his reasons for leaving?

What? You must be a very sensitive soul to have that take of his time at OTB. None of that happened. I'm guessing Wooly left in a strop, because that's what he does. Or maybe he just got a better offer.

Yes, i really enjoy Wooly and the GAA Hour. During the championship it's 4 good shows per week, two hurling and two football. I never miss it. Some good guests, also, my favourite being Cheddar Plunkett, a better hurling analyst you will struggle to find. Bravo all round. Top podcast.