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Applegreen own brand chargers

  • 09-09-2019 3:34pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I saw these being installed at the services in Birdhill on Friday, can't find anything online.

    Anyone know any details?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Saw them too

    Also couldn't find any info

    Were closed off when I saw them on Saturday


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,395 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Oh that's a bit out of nowhere and very good to see. They are the same type of rapids Easy Go use.

    50kw CCS and Chademo usually.


    Would be great to see them rolled out at all Applegreens where possible.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The more the merrier. Well done Applegreen!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Great to see some inroads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    I hope the quality of the electricity is better than their fuel....:p


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ultra fast e-charging ? lol really .

    At last they see the light but would someone please think of the M7 ? lol


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,395 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Ultra fast e-charging ? lol really .

    At last they see the light but would someone please think of the M7 ? lol

    I thought Birdhill was on the M7.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I thought Birdhill was on the M7.

    J27 I think yeah


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I thought Birdhill was on the M7.

    Balls got me good there, na meant the M9 the one beside me lol. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Its a pity they are not mounted like petrol pumps, access able from front and back and sides. I believe these can only charge one car each, but if someone abandons their car you might be able to park on the access road behind and chademo normally disconnects when full, while CCS depend in the car to decide (I think) . They seem very close together. They should at the very least leave room for 2 cars at each charger, if not 4. They don't seem to line up with the spaces, hopefully they will be remarked for EVs with some serious signage to deter ICEing and overstay while charging.


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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surely this is just a first venture into private companies charging for electric charging?

    I can't imagine this being free by any stretch of the imagination.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭jprboy


    Surely this is just a first venture into private companies charging for electric charging?

    I can't imagine this being free by any stretch of the imagination.

    No, Ionity and EasyGo already up and running in a few sites around the country.

    EasyGo charging in LIDL sites is free for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Surely this is just a first venture into private companies charging for electric charging?

    I can't imagine this being free by any stretch of the imagination.

    Ionity chargers in Ireland are 8 euro for as much juice as you can get, easygo were variable around 8 to 30 euro, but some are free. Esb will really set the fast charger pricing (in the next month) and all others will have to compete or expect their chargers to be quiet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Ionity chargers in Ireland are 8 euro for as much juice as you can get, easygo were variable around 8 to 30 euro, but some are free. Esb will really set the fast charger pricing (in the next month) and all others will have to compete or expect their chargers to be quiet.

    Can't see ESB undercutting their own customers. Would surely cause competitiveness issues given ESB networks monopoly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Lumen wrote: »
    Can't see ESB undercutting their own customers. Would surely cause competitiveness issues given ESB networks monopoly.


    ESB ecars =/= esb networks, it's a highly regulated company.
    Networks won't see the pricing schemes offered to end users


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    So what's the story here?

    Are Applegreen going to make some announcement?

    Are they fitting chargers into all major service stations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    So what's the story here?

    Are Applegreen going to make some announcement?

    Are they fitting chargers into all major service stations?

    That was kind of the purpose of the thread...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Alkers wrote: »
    That was kind of the purpose of the thread...

    I know

    Any update?


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Bixler3


    Looks like CCS & Type 2 leads, don't see Chademo in the picture above?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Bixler3 wrote: »
    Looks like CCS & Type 2 leads, don't see Chademo in the picture above?

    Those chargers are CCS and Chademo... no AC.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    ELM327 wrote: »
    ESB ecars =/= esb networks, it's a highly regulated company.
    Networks won't see the pricing schemes offered to end users[/QUOTE]

    In Ireland! LOL:D

    In any event, what did the regulator decide re whether the e-cars infra structure would be part of the regulated asset base?

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They bottled it of course and decided it was not part of RAB


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    ELM327 wrote: »
    They bottled it of course and decided it was not part of RAB

    Probably the right decision to be fair. If anything I think the NTA should own them and then contract the operation out to a third party (such as ESB) with SLA's etc.

    I'm sure Applegreen wouldn't mind bidding on the ones already at there garages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The path we're going down it won't matter anyway as hopefully the private enterprises will win out.
    Ionity and easygo are already doing better than ecars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Passed these the other day and topped up, nice that they are still free but tap-to-pay machines were recently installed so not for much longer I'd wager. Be interesting to see their prices when they do come along



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    You mean you could pay by just tapping a credit card on the machine instead of fiddling around with an app and trying to register?

    That'll never catch on 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's the way it works at every charging station in England and they get on fine, think it's the law there? It is cheaper at most of them to register for an account etc though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I thought it was only Instavolt, Shell and Gridserve? Most of the others still use RFID cards or apps


    Hopefully they make a similar regulation here soon

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A similar regulation here would be good and would help overall EV sales, especially to an older generation



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The only drawback of card readers is the sometimes stupid preauthorization amounts up to 80 per charging session happen. Can tie swathes of your balance before the final charge happens some days later. The monthly invoices don't have that issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 RedNeddy


    The days of free charging in Birdhill are over. No more pleasant conversations with other like minded swift and thrifty EV owners.

    0.40c/kwH with app and a card required. Hopefully not a sign of inflated prices to come elsewhere. My belly at least will be happier with less Whopper meals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You deciding not to use it anymore is exactly why they have brought in payment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I don’t believe that’s an inflated price. It’s the true reflection in what It costs to pay for the electricity, billing system , charger and it’s maintenance, increased MIC, project staff , digging up forecourt and running cables etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 RedNeddy


    EDIT: I get the dig now, cheers. Just thought I'd let people know before they drive to Birdhill expecting the normal free, no sign up chargers.

    Agreed, it's more than ESB is all I meant. I suspect prices will rise across the charging network.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Not a dig, just a statement of fact. If you're charging there because it's free as a local, thats not the intended use case and the fact that you will not charge there anymore now that you have to pay shows exactly why they have brought in payment. Electricity is not free, neither is a HV connection with high peak MIC. Neither is the hardware.

    I reckon 40c/kWh is pretty good tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    The problem is as the price increases, less & less people will use it. Almost all those input costs remain unchanged, regardless of utilisation. 40c/kWh is pretty reasonable though & availability shouldn't be an issue, now that all the freeloading locals have scarpered 😛.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    That’s not a problem 😂😂 there are more and more EVs on the road each day. People are willing to pay. Most will charge at home so a once off premium top up every now and then is acceptable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    As I said, 40c per kWh is pretty good for fast charging. Especially at a site with more than one DC charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    More people may skip this site and go to esb chargers. From a user point of view, they are likely to not be in use and likely one of two available. A lot of EV drivers probably don't know these exist so will drive by to esb chargers too. Ionity is a far worse option, 79c typically but again often available chargers. As an EV owner I do shop around on price of public chargers, but this price is not too bad, probably less than typical UK prices.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,862 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I don't think people will skip this site. There are more and more EV's hitting the road every week now. The station at Birdhill is convenient on the Dublin/Limerick/Kerry route so I think that will be a popular stop for charging.

    I know from using the superchargers there that it's a busy station at the best of times.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    People will skip it out of ignorance, many non tesla drivers think that eCars is the only app needed to find chargers. We need Applegreen to roll out a nationwide network so the expectation becomes that there will always be a couple of these chargers at their service stations. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    no chance of them calling out ecars fudging of the number of chargers.. oh wait...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    But of course is carbon neutral. The same amount of carbon added is then exausted. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Could be worse, some of the European providers have increased rates recently.

    I'm surprised eCars haven't hinted at price increases, surely it's only a matter of time before someone complains to Joe Duffy about all the electric cars they're seeing on the road pushing up the price of electricity if they haven't already.


    Enel Italia Juice PAYG now shows prices of (there is a subscription based model as well with lower prices)

    AC €0.70/kWh

    DC up to 100 kW €0.75/kWh

    DC up to 150kW €0.80/kWh

    HPC above 150kW €0.85/kWh


    EWE Go just announced their prices are increasing from 1/4




  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭bodgerfederer


    New to this thread - are these applegreen chargers up and running? when i check plugshare (my go to app) only Tesla chargers are showing up?



  • Moderators Posts: 12,384 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Chris from EasyGo has frequently mentioned how ecars and their own public charging is cheap "for now". Might be reading too much into things, but I get the impression he's heard at least something around the price of public charging going up.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I expect it will have to, the current fixed price model is going to severely restrict margins as commercial rates go up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Up and running, listed here


    you need to zoom in a lot to see separate chargers on same site. It's a bit of a limitation on the plugshare app, 2 different brand chargers at same site, one hides the other one. It's hard to combine both into one entry as check ins and comments on Tesla then get confused with applegreen. Also navigation to exact spot will be wrong for one. Similar happens in athlone at ionity site. Another issue is ionity, applegreen, Tesla and it seems now easygo take over the plugshare entries so they are hard to edit and combine different brands into one plugshare pin on the map. I like plugshare the best ad it's easiest to use, and add new sites, but it's not perfect by any stretch and a closed eco system, mainly USA based.



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