Should more funding be allocated to the traveling community?

abff · 08-09-2019 05:12PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Week later my lawnmower and majority of things in my shed was gone. Lock was snapped right through. Fishing rods and a lot of hunting equipment gone. coincidence??

Sorry to say, I had a similar experience not too long ago. Don't want to jump to conclusions, but I'm not a great believer in coincidences.

Deebles McBeebles · 08-09-2019 05:38PM

You can probably get your garden waste back at least. Just check down the nearest laneway, it'll be dumped in the hedge.

anewme · 08-09-2019 06:22PM

The reason I was asking if they get College Grant's related to an article in one of our local papers a couple of years back.

It was about a traveller girl who had graduated college with top results. There was a bit of her back story about the challenges she faced, being a traveller and a woman traveller at that. A lot came from her own Community to be honest, felt she was too old for this nonsense and should be married off. She had a very supportive Mother and Father and ended up with a very good result in College. It wasnt a whingy story, more a positive one and I cant remember if it mentioned whether she got a grant or scholarship.

Like most here, I dont have a very positive view of travellers from my own experiences, not all bad, but more bad than good but I think young travellers like this who want to go to college and have a career like the rest of us fully deserve support.

anewme · 08-09-2019 07:17PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Had three of them come to take away a load of garden waste ie shrubs trees old bicycles etc and paid them to remove it.

While it's terrible that you lost your stuff out if your shed, there needs to be fines for people who give money to unethical waste collectors like this. They are just dumping it somewhere else and leaving someone else with the bill and job of cleaning up.

All you are doing is encouraging illegal dumping/fly tipping.

Thelonious Monk · 08-09-2019 07:20PM

I think the amount of money that would be required to have teams of social workers and special schools for them to finally break the cycle of leaving school and sharia law on women and having loads of kids and being involved in crime etc. etc., would be astronomical.
At the same time it would probably serve the state better to do this.
So yes, funding should be allocated if it's used to sort out their problems, for the good of travellers and the rest of us.

Edgware · 08-09-2019 07:51PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Free housing and then they park their caravans wherever they can and the government pays them to move somewhere else?
And you want them to get more.
They’ve enough money scamming the country and taking everything as it is. Had three of them come to take away a load of garden waste ie shrubs trees old bicycles etc and paid them to remove it.
Week later my lawnmower and majority of things in my shed was gone. Lock was snapped right through. Fishing rods and a lot of hunting equipment gone.
coincidence??

Some people a very naive.

Mad_maxx · 08-09-2019 08:04PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think the amount of money that would be required to have teams of social workers and special schools for them to finally break the cycle of leaving school and sharia law on women and having loads of kids and being involved in crime etc. etc., would be astronomical.
At the same time it would probably serve the state better to do this.
So yes, funding should be allocated if it's used to sort out their problems, for the good of travellers and the rest of us.

Policies need to be put in place to encourage family planning on a par with regular families, cut child benefit after the eleventh child starting off, then reduce to three within five years, that way the media do gooders don't scream racial profiling etc

Danzy · 08-09-2019 08:22PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Halting sites need to be placed in richer areas, which will cost more.

God wouldn't that be hilarious.

All talk of solidarity and integration would go out the window from progressives and the modern Left.

It's be **** back on to the Working Class.

suicide_circus · 08-09-2019 08:29PM

on the 85% unemployment rate, is that calculated on how many are in receipt of job seekers payments? because being on the dole and being jobless are two totally different things.

Danzy · 08-09-2019 08:31PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i think travellers need to be paid reparations for all the interminable pain and suffering inflicted on them by settled society.

Through a campaign of defiant activism, group solidarity and not conforming to patriarchal Casino Capitalism, reparations are already being taken back from settler society.

Thelonious Monk · 08-09-2019 08:59PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Policies need to be put in place to encourage family planning on a par with regular families, cut child benefit after the eleventh child starting off, then reduce to three within five years, that way the media do gooders don't scream racial profiling etc

If you cut child benefit they're even more likely to resort to crime so I can't see how that would help.

Galwayguy35 · 08-09-2019 09:01PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

it's important to believe that there is a "lunatic left" devoid of all practical sensibility who wants the average punter to suffer.

People before Profit?

Deebles McBeebles · 08-09-2019 09:06PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you cut child benefit they're even more likely to resort to crime so I can't see how that would help.

Would that be the case though? Are you saying they would turn to crime before they conform to rules? I mean, I know we have plenty of history of that but for most, if you cut excessive benefits, people will change. Cut their cloth accordingly and all that. There is a reason some people have lots of kids with no way to pay for them these days and its no longer because they are afraid of the Catholic Church.

jk23 · 08-09-2019 09:07PM

The vast majority of travellers seem to have anger issues. Whether they feel argrieved or angry at settled society is another issue but this leads I think to authorities being afraid of them

Teachers in school afraid of their kids because their parents will come in and scream discrimination or because they feel their own families or homes might be targeted by them.

If you put money in to education it will be only worthwhile until the junior cycle in secondary school at most as its their culture to leave early and start families

Paddy Cow · 08-09-2019 09:30PM

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

It is a chicken and egg scenario. There is not as many going because of lower support. No support because there is not many going.

If there was funding to help those in the Travelling Community to better themselves, it would initiate a chain reaction for subsequent generations.

anewme wrote: »

The reason I was asking if they get College Grant's related to an article in one of our local papers a couple of years back.

It was about a traveller girl who had graduated college with top results. There was a bit of her back story about the challenges she faced, being a traveller and a woman traveller at that. A lot came from her own Community to be honest, felt she was too old for this nonsense and should be married off. She had a very supportive Mother and Father and ended up with a very good result in College. It wasnt a whingy story, more a positive one and I cant remember if it mentioned whether she got a grant or scholarship.

Like most here, I dont have a very positive view of travellers from my own experiences, not all bad, but more bad than good but I think young travellers like this who want to go to college and have a career like the rest of us fully deserve support.

And that's the biggest problem - travellers holding back other travellers. This young woman is fortunate enough to have supportive parents. Most don't. It's deeply ingrained to leave school and get married young. I have no problem with women who chose to be SAHMs. The problem with young traveller women is that's it's not their choice. Most don't finish the leaving so even if they want to work later in life, it's very hard for them to return to education and retrain.

Mad_maxx · 08-09-2019 09:49PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Policies need to be put in place to encourage family planning on a par with regular families, cut child benefit after the eleventh child starting off, then reduce to three within five years, that way the media do gooders don't scream racial profiling etc

If you cut child benefit they're even more likely to resort to crime so I can't see how that would help.

More investment in policing so

Coillte_Bhoy · 08-09-2019 09:52PM

anewme wrote: »

The reason I was asking if they get College Grant's related to an article in one of our local papers a couple of years back.

It was about a traveller girl who had graduated college with top results. There was a bit of her back story about the challenges she faced, being a traveller and a woman traveller at that. A lot came from her own Community to be honest, felt she was too old for this nonsense and should be married off. She had a very supportive Mother and Father and ended up with a very good result in College. It wasnt a whingy story, more a positive one and I cant remember if it mentioned whether she got a grant or scholarship.

Like most here, I dont have a very positive view of travellers from my own experiences, not all bad, but more bad than good but I think young travellers like this who want to go to college and have a career like the rest of us fully deserve support.

Traveller couple who drink in my local, he's dead sound,id be wary of her but anyway i was told her daughter went to college and became a primary teacher and married a settled lad so she disowned her. Thought it was so sad.

pgj2015 · 08-09-2019 09:55PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Traveller couple who drink in my local, he's dead sound,id be wary of her but anyway i was told her daughter went to college and became a primary teacher and married a settled a lad so she disowned her. Thought it was so sad.

:pac: like settled people will be a bad influence on her.

Raconteuse · 08-09-2019 09:55PM

Cupp3r wrote: »

4 pages in and we are in full scale Traveller bashing. We are a lovely people so we are us irish.

A discussion like this could be found anywhere. Bringing the fact we are Irish into it is also prejudicial.

And there are serious problems in traveller society. The criticism isn't coming from the wind.

Strumms · 08-09-2019 10:09PM

14dMoney wrote: »

Of course it would. The anti-social behaviour can be attributed to being disenfranchised for so long.

For a large part.. they actively disenfranchise themselves. They want all the benefits and positives that being in ‘society’ can give to them but for many making direct and tangible contributions to the society which they aspire to be part of and included in is almost alien...

Paddy Cow · 08-09-2019 10:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

For a large part.. they actively disenfranchise themselves. They want all the benefits and positives that being in ‘society’ can give to them but for many making direct and tangible contributions to the society which they aspire to be part of and included in is almost alien...

Want the rights like housing, welfare but not the responsibilities like education and employment (tax paying at least).

Danzy · 08-09-2019 10:25PM

What is the upside, from many travellers perspective of being fully integrated and enfranchised in society.

Cost benefit analysis will say no.

Mad_maxx · 08-09-2019 10:34PM

Danzy wrote: »

What is the upside, from many travellers perspective of being fully integrated and enfranchised in society.

Cost benefit analysis will say no.

Commiting to education, employment, mortgage repayments, tax compliance

Why do any of that when the silly tax payer will carry you from cradle to grave, not only that, the left wing media luvie set will toast your unique exotic culture and pour scorn on anyone who dares question your ways

freshpopcorn · 08-09-2019 11:05PM

I remember in the past John Connors said something along the lines off that he was tired of travellers being sent to the edge's of towns where nobody else wanted to live and feeling unwelcome in certain areas.
So, last year we learned during the presidential election from celebrities that travellers were welcome and more accepted in plusher areas of Dublin.
So, I think they could spend more money housing travellers in these areas.

Leg End Reject · 08-09-2019 11:11PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

And that's the biggest problem - travellers holding back other travellers. This young woman is fortunate enough to have supportive parents. Most don't. It's deeply ingrained to leave school and get married young. I have no problem with women who chose to be SAHMs. The problem with young traveller women is that's it's not their choice. Most don't finish the leaving so even if they want to work later in life, it's very hard for them to return to education and retrain.

And get this, after being married off at 16, they need their husband's permission to do anything outside the home.

If this happened in any other culture here there would be protests on the streets.

Thelonious Monk · 08-09-2019 11:14PM

I wonder if we could start a gofundme to pay some travellers to set up camp in Foxrock or Killiney or some other well to do area just for the absolute hilarity of it all?

Leg End Reject · 08-09-2019 11:24PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I wonder if we could start a gofundme to pay some travellers to set up camp in Foxrock or Killiney or some other well to do area just for the absolute hilarity of it all?

I think Pat Kenny would love it, he wouldn't have to worry about apartments then.

Danzy · 08-09-2019 11:30PM

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think Pat Kenny would love it, he wouldn't have to worry about apartments then.

He could advise them on squatter rights claims.

Filmer Paradise · 09-09-2019 01:02AM

I wouldn't give one of them one penny of my income if I had my way.

They are a total waste. Ethnic status made them even worse than they already were.

It just made them a more arrogant waste of space.

Mysterypunter · 09-09-2019 01:46AM

Less funding should be allocated to travellers, more funding should be allocated to the elderly and the young. The young so they can have a crack at education and more opportunities, and the elderly so they can live out their years in comfort, everyone else can mind themselves.

Should more funding be allocated to the traveling community?

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