Should more funding be allocated to the traveling community?

14dMoney wrote: »

Yes they do. Ever here of VAT?

*hear

Please educate yourself

I think we should spend more on them, cos all the millions thrown at them up to now has been money well spent.

Per head there is a huge amount of public money spent on supporting this group.

Directly from free housing/halting sites, massive welfare and health service bills due to the very high % not in lawful employment and poor lifestyles.

Then you have a huge amount of social services resources dedicated to travellers. There are heavily staffed centres dedicated to taking in individual traveller families, giving them more than one-on-one round the clock care in a mostly fruitless attempt to deal with their utterly chaotic and destructive lives.

Next we have the after traveller resources, cleaning up public and private land after they leave them covered in rubbish, destruction and abused animals like a house proud person who has a slug infestation scrubbing the slime trails every morning.

Then we have the legal resources, Gardai chasing their various criminal activities around the country, legal aid and services for the court cases and of course prison costs for the huge % that end up incarcerated in a country that is incredibly lenient on criminals.

Not forgetting the hidden costs, private citizens having to recover financially and personally from being crime victims, insurance premiums and payouts as well as the more intangibles such as bad publicity and reports from tourists who don't visit Ireland due to bad experiences from others who have had the misfortune of dealing with these people.

If you took the totality of public funds spent on all aspects of traveller's lives and allocated it to the same number of average Irish PAYE worker's families it would have the same effect on their lives as winning the lottery; new houses cars, no need to ever work again and live very comfortably without any recourse to criminality to fund that lifestyle.

Travellers are massively funded and are a huge waste of that money, what is needed is for strict behaviour boundaries to be set and enforced, break the cycle of their toxic and destructive lifestyles with proper punishment for rule breaking as well as resources to support proper development.

Let's face it, Travellers are not the only part of Irish society that are completely disfunctional, we seem to have sleepwalked into a situation where holding people to account for bad behaviour is considered a foreign concept and as usual it is the decent law abiding, tax paying majority that are paying the price both in the wallet and the everyday reality of living in a society that expects them to be uncomplaining victims of the very people they are financially supporting.

Cupp3r wrote: »

4 pages in and we are in full scale Traveller bashing. We are a lovely people so we are us irish.

Nonsense. You want to see bashing, have a look at whats said about Africans around here.

Paddy Cow wrote: »

They're not going because they don't finish the Leaving. That's not because they don't get support. My sister used to volunteer in an after school homework program and a lot of them just weren't interested in learning. Girls are lucky to finish the Junior Cycle and then drop out to get married. Boys aren't interested in doing the Leaving. That's just the way their attitude is towards education - they don't value it.

That's not me being racist/throwing around slurs. It's the truth. You could throw all the money in the world towards traveller education but unless they decide that staying in school and focusing on establishing a career is the way to go, nothing will change. There are also sections of regular Irish society who have also fallen into the multi-generational welfare trap but we don't have an 85% unemployment rate.

Agreed, education is not rated highly on the radar. Funding was the wrong word in my initial post. Support is more what is needed.

There will always be a Them v Us when there is no combined view of what best suits everyone and have everyone on the one side.

greencap wrote: »

Any funding given to the travellers should be done under condition of compliance.
If they want stuff they should have to sign up and play ball or they get diddly, while at the same time those who do play ball get welcomed.

Good behavior ... good halting.
Damage the halting site, breach terms and you lose your priviledges.

This is how it works for pretty much everyone in pretty much all aspects of life in the civilized world.
So we should promote equality in the case of travellers too, equal rights.

This has the makings of what I am trying to say.

Help us & we'll help you.

abff wrote: »

For what it's worth, I've met a number of travellers who were good decent people and others who were chancers. Pretty much like the population in general.

The problem is travellers don't want to be part of normal society so people don't get the chance to have good experiences with them whereas every other minority group makes the effort. If I was to go into one of there sites just to say hello all I'd get is hostility and unfriendliness. I've only had bad experiences with them and I don't see that changing anytime soon

anewme wrote: »

If a traveller wants to go to College, are there grants available for them?

Yes but there isn't any courses on fighting.

dodderangler wrote: »

Free housing and then they park their caravans wherever they can and the government pays them to move somewhere else?
And you want them to get more.
They’ve enough money scamming the country and taking everything as it is. Had three of them come to take away a load of garden waste ie shrubs trees old bicycles etc and paid them to remove it.
Week later my lawnmower and majority of things in my shed was gone. Lock was snapped right through. Fishing rods and a lot of hunting equipment gone.
coincidence??

That is your own fault for having anything to do with them, everyone know to avoid them at all costs.