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High bike · 03-09-2019 08:29PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Not that much of a quality difference, to explain the price difference IYKWIM.

the lighter ones are doing ok so?

charolais0153 · 03-09-2019 08:33PM

Have some heavy good charolais bulls, I'm thinking you'd be aswell off squeezing them rather than letting them go cheap, young charolais bullocks 550kg plus be dearer in May..... An awful long time to keep them though...

patsy_mccabe · 03-09-2019 08:34PM

High bike wrote: »

the lighter ones are doing ok so?

Ya, I have a few here that age and weight (I know thanks to BEEP). Usually put on meal from now to early Nov. Looks likd I'd be better to get them gone sooner than later.

High bike · 03-09-2019 08:45PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, I have a few here that age and weight (I know thanks to BEEP). Usually put on meal from now to early Nov. Looks likd I'd be better to get them gone sooner than later.

prob wouldn’t pay to feed them this year

Albert Johnson · 03-09-2019 09:26PM

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

K9 · 03-09-2019 09:29PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

Any increase in feedlot activity buying store cattle

Albert Johnson · 03-09-2019 09:41PM

K9 wrote: »

Any increase in feedlot activity buying store cattle

Not that I've seen but then I don't see that much forward stores sold being honest, it's more weanlings/runners and cows. I'm told the bullock trade is worsening by the day, there's 700 odd heifers for Elphin tomorrow so may call in for a look in the evening. The cow trade is about the steadiest market atm, there's good demand for fleshed and store cows of all types and there starting to become plentiful.

Cavanjack · 03-09-2019 09:46PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Not that I've seen but then I don't see that much forward stores sold being honest, it's more weanlings/runners and cows. I'm told the bullock trade is worsening by the day, there's 700 odd heifers for Elphin tomorrow so may call in for a look in the evening. The cow trade is about the steadiest market atm, there's good demand for fleshed and store cows of all types and there starting to become plentiful.

If lads can’t get finished cattle away then they can’t buy in. Also with weather worsening there is no point being over stocked

grange mac · 04-09-2019 12:01AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

Buyers left their house & forgot to take tablets!! Cuckoo prices down west cork one man buying everything for the boat

patsy_mccabe · 04-09-2019 07:34AM

grange mac wrote: »

Buyers left their house & forgot to take tablets!! Cuckoo prices down west cork one man buying everything for the boat

Well, if he's buying for the boat, then they're hardly cuckoo prices. Unless he's a young guy starting out spending other people's money.

wrangler · 04-09-2019 09:27AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well, if he's buying for the boat, then they're hardly cuckoo prices. Unless he's a young guy starting out spending other people's money.

Exporters only come if there's value,
I was in a farmers Coop in france a few years back, A beef factory and an assembly depot for exporting in to italy, even had a little ambulance to collect casualty cattle.
Because of the heat they transported cattle only at night to the depot, there must have been ten lorries between the weanlings and the factory.
Another fleet then bringing the weanling overnight to Italy.
It's madness it this country to be depending on one outlet into a commodity market for 80% of our cattle

grassroot1 · 04-09-2019 03:12PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The good quality farmers calf 250-350kg is every bit as dear as any year imo (either side of €2.50 a kilo). A neighbor sold 4 CHx and LMx spring 19 born weanlings last week, 320kg averaged €840 each, the best quality lad was 315kg @ €900. It's the heavier or plainer calf that's taking the hit, anything over 400kg, agey or plain isn't wanted full stop and is struggling to break the €2 a kilo. The exporters were a help the last few weeks for suitable stock but I'm told there full up atm so it remains to be seem how the trade reacts this week. Another man sold a bundle of bulls 350-450kg the same night, all CHx but mixed quality. They made from €780-900 each at a range of weights, the heavier calf is definitely not paying at the current time. He had one smasher of a CHx bull 500kg @ €1005, the creep feeder should only be providing shelter from the rain this back end imo.

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

blue5000 · 04-09-2019 05:28PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

The lighter calf can be castrated. The heavier bulls are limited to one type of buyer, a finisher u16 mths.

milligan2 · 04-09-2019 06:17PM

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Base price · 04-09-2019 06:31PM

milligan2 wrote: »

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Best advice is to talk to your Vet as he/she is the only person that can legally do so.

Bass Reeves · 04-09-2019 06:45PM

milligan2 wrote: »

I wonder who is buying the heavy weanlings now that u16 beef is finished?
There is still trade for them at 2€ a kilo.
Have a few 450 kg lads here,could I castrate them at that weight?they are December 18

Yes

Albert Johnson · 04-09-2019 07:17PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

The 350 kg calf today is 400kg inlate october so why discount the heavier weanling today? actually dont answer that farmers is the answer

Blue beat me to it but the squeezing the heavier calf compared to the lighter lad isn't as straight forward amongst other issues. Secondly the men selling forward stores circa 600kg @ €1200 may only be prepared to pay €800 for a calf to replace them regardless of the weight of the calf. Finally the lighter calf is a long-term preposition and the buyer may hope to have weathered the current storm by the time sale time comes around.

Dozer1 · 04-09-2019 08:37PM

called to gortalea for awhile this evening, only saw runners sale, what a rob...
Same as Patsy,
245kg CH bull plain enough é745
315kg blk LM bull well shaped é815
200kg CH plain bull é715

2 month old HE heifer calf é315

usual suspects buying, didn't stay for the weanling as I expected they would be a poorer trade, think mine will be sold at 300kg mark this year

amacca · 04-09-2019 09:01PM

200 kg charolais 715?????

what, seriously

High bike · 04-09-2019 09:20PM

There’s a suckler show and sale there tomorrow.Was going to go but can’t make it now

lalababa · 04-09-2019 10:12PM

amacca wrote: »

200 kg charolais 715?????

what, seriously

Yep, WTF is going on???

FarmerBrowne · 04-09-2019 10:31PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Not that I've seen but then I don't see that much forward stores sold being honest, it's more weanlings/runners and cows. I'm told the bullock trade is worsening by the day, there's 700 odd heifers for Elphin tomorrow so may call in for a look in the evening. The cow trade is about the steadiest market atm, there's good demand for fleshed and store cows of all types and there starting to become plentiful.

Did you get to Elphin? If so what was it like?

Albert Johnson · 04-09-2019 10:40PM

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

Did you get to Elphin? If so what was it like?

No sadly everything conspired against me today, I had intended on going up this evening but I got a last minute phone call from a friend in need and by the time he was sorted I was too tired tbh. There's a special bullock sale next Wednesday so I will try and get to that, there was a time I was in Elphin every week but life gets in the way lately. There's a special sale of hogget's and breeding ewe's in Drumshanbo tomorrow so getting ready for that, it'll be another long day but it's all good craic.

FarmerBrowne · 04-09-2019 10:44PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

No sadly everything conspired against me today, I had intended on going up this evening but I got a last minute phone call from a friend in need and by the time he was sorted I was too tired tbh. There's a special bullock sale next Wednesday so I will try and get to that, there was a time I was in Elphin every week but life gets in the way lately. There's a special sale of hogget's and breeding ewe's in Drumshanbo tomorrow so getting ready for that, it'll be another long day but it's all good craic.

I heard anything 500 - 600kg was consistently getting €700 with the weight which is better than the €2 per kg going the rounds lately.

Robson99 · 04-09-2019 10:49PM

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

I heard anything 500 - 600kg was consistently getting €700 with the weight which is better than the €2 per kg going the rounds lately.

Most cattle there would be top quality and would be well above €2 / kg

Albert Johnson · 04-09-2019 10:53PM

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

I heard anything 500 - 600kg was consistently getting €700 with the weight which is better than the €2 per kg going the rounds lately.

I didn't hear any reports tbh be they good or bad. Taking 550kg and €700 over is €1250 or roughly €2.25-2.30 a kg by my calculations. It's on the higher side of the prices I've heard in recent times but not unrealistic imo, granted there's always great cattle at those special sale's so maybe not totally representative of the average trade for average types. I wonder was there any northern customers considering sterling isn't that strong atm, there's usually a few men for anything with bulling potential.

Welding Rod · 05-09-2019 06:27AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Saw some char weanlings selling today in Ennis
Qty WEight Price DOB
2 478kg 850 ....aug 18
2 410 880 ....dec 18
1 320 890 ....feb 19
1 360 980 ....feb 19

Explain those prices.........

But there was plenty poor prices as well. Especially in the heifer ring.
I bought a lovely pair lim heifers. Feb born. Bit of Charolais breeding in them as well. 275kg. €790.
AI bred and €128 replacement index. I’d be sick if I was the seller.

patsy_mccabe · 05-09-2019 06:59AM

Welding Rod wrote: »

But there was plenty poor prices as well. Especially in the heifer ring.
I bought a lovely pair lim heifers. Feb born. Bit of Charolais breeding in them as well. 275kg. €790.
AI bred and €128 replacement index. I’d be sick if I was the seller.

I don't think he'd be sick to be honest. He's not loosing money at those prices, for the year that's in it and when you compare to others in different sectors of the beef trade.

Limestone Cowboy · 05-09-2019 08:23AM

Welding Rod wrote: »

But there was plenty poor prices as well. Especially in the heifer ring.
I bought a lovely pair lim heifers. Feb born. Bit of Charolais breeding in them as well. 275kg. €790.
AI bred and €128 replacement index. I’d be sick if I was the seller.

You'd buy a cracking year and a half heifer for 900.

josephsoap · 05-09-2019 08:35AM

Are any factories taking full bull beef at 16 months anymore ?

The CH bulls born in Feb/Mar don’t be long touching 500kg

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