Is Mrs Doubtfire problematic?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 22-08-2019 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

He poses as a woman not "in a flippant manner" but in an act of desperation so that he can be close to his children after a divorce. The film shows how the legal system leaves even good and caring fathers with only minimal access to their children after a relationship breakdown -- an aspect of "gender inequality" that gets scant attention even 26 years after the film's release.

CroatoanCat · 22-08-2019 01:04PM

Pearse Brosnan was great in Mrs. Doubtfire.

I enjoyed the OP; nicely done. As others have noted, it's becoming nigh on impossible to tell what is satire anymore when it comes to the utter nonsense that is genderist ideology.

Anyone genuinely espousing this type of authoritarian, virtue-signalling wokery can cis off and get to Foucault.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 01:08PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

No, it's when i provide something that is factually true instead of what my opinion is on the matter, yet the factually correct evidence, or whatever it may be is then disputed with no counter evidence supporting opposite viewpoint

Ah, you're describing every instance where people don't agree.

Have I just shouted you down?

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 01:11PM

Feisar wrote: »

I'd be sort of a similar viewpoint. This sewage is mainly online at the moment however it'll seep into our real lives soon.

You forgot to put "please God" at the end of that sentence. It really looks like people are hoping it seeps into society so they'd be justified in getting upset in advance of it being in society.

So they get to play at being oppressed without any actual inconvenience of being oppressed in real life.

Stevieluvsye · 22-08-2019 01:14PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, you're describing every instance where people don't agree.

Have I just shouted you down?

No, because we are having a general discussion and not a discussion regarding something that can be factually proven.

HorrorScope · 22-08-2019 01:14PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You forgot to put "please God" at the end of that sentence. It really looks like people are hoping it seeps into society so they'd be justified in getting upset in advance of it being in society.

So they get to play at being oppressed without any actual inconvenience of being oppressed in real life.

Well if you are female you should be very worried and maybe not so blase about it - don't come here crying in a year or 2 when there are balls swinging in your womens changing room at the gym.

Feisar · 22-08-2019 01:16PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You forgot to put "please God" at the end of that sentence. It really looks like people are hoping it seeps into society so they'd be justified in getting upset in advance of it being in society.

So they get to play at being oppressed without any actual inconvenience of being oppressed in real life.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 01:16PM

HorrorScope wrote: »

Well if you are female you should be very worried and maybe not so blase about it - don't come here crying in a year or 2 when there are balls swinging in your womens changing room at the gym.

Loads of balls swinging in my gym changing room. Doesn't really bother me.

How big a problem do you predict it will be for you? Balls in your gym changing room, I mean.

HorrorScope · 22-08-2019 01:18PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Loads of balls swinging in my gym changing room. Doesn't really bother me.

How big a problem do you predict it will be for you? Balls in your gym, I mean.

Not a problem for me, plenty of balls already seeing as I'm male but it concerns me from a viewpoint of the females in my life. I don't want my daughter or wife having to share a space like that with pretend women.

suicide_circus · 22-08-2019 01:19PM

the OP is taking the piss but there are people in places of influence who do really think like this. they and their doctrines need to be resisted tooth and nail.

Stevieluvsye · 22-08-2019 01:20PM

HorrorScope wrote: »

Not a problem for me, plenty of balls already seeing as I'm male but it concerns me from a viewpoint of the females in my life. I don't want my daughter or wife having to share a space like that with pretend women.

Just asked the OH this question her being a natural female and all that and she said she'd never return to a gym that allowed that to happen

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 22-08-2019 01:22PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Jesus lads.

I don't know how some people manage to leave the house in the morning, if the word 'cis' is this upsetting to you. What exactly are you so afraid of?

Discussion forum, innit.

If people don’t like a term then they don’t like it. This one has fairly weird connotations as well, that sex doesn’t really exist and is assigned at birth.

Plumbthedepths · 22-08-2019 01:23PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not if you get into an actual discussion about it. In that case you need operational definitions of terms. Picking new terms Is easier as the new term doesn't have alternative meanings. I could understand if the term chosen for people who's gender, sex and sexual orientation etc. was "shyte" or some other term with an existing derogatory meaning.

The term cis has no pre existing meaning so how can you possibly take offence to it?

Cis is a new term. It has a clear and unambiguous meaning. Simple. This seems like a prime example getting upset about nothing. Ironic really.

CIS is a bull**** term. You don't think it is sound, I think it is. Similarly I only accept two genders not this self identifying bull****. An opinion I also share offline much to the annoyance of right on pc morons.

Fanny Wank · 22-08-2019 01:25PM

OP was funny enough I thought - obviously a wind up/troll

I do see sh!te like the OP online often but have never met anyone in real life that idiotic

sdanseo · 22-08-2019 01:27PM

The fact that the question has to be asked - even facetiously by a troll - indicates the problems with an overly-PC society.

The 60s to 90s were, correctly, a period of seachange when it came to freedom of expression and extension of civil liberties in most of the western world.

The 90s to 2020s (any beyond?) will be known as a period of increased freedom to be self righteously and excessively offended by literally anything.

dont bother · 22-08-2019 01:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All I'm suggesting is compassion, enough compassion that we don't hurt people for kicks, we don't do black and white minstrels anymore do we

eh..... the movie White Chicks...
not only are they "backwards minstrels" (ie: blacks impersonating whites)
but also - Trannys!

the world is fvcked.

Bonniedog · 22-08-2019 01:39PM

Fanny **** wrote: »

OP was funny enough I thought - obviously a wind up/troll

I do see sh!te like the OP online often but have never met anyone in real life that idiotic

Probably half our MEPs believe that you can be woman and have a todger, if that's any indication of the prevalence of the idiocy to which you refer.

Potential-Monke · 22-08-2019 01:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Cis is a new term. It has a clear and unambiguous meaning. Simple. This seems like a prime example getting upset about nothing. Ironic really.

Why was it needed though? Why not just continue using male/female for those born male/female and remain male/female? Why was cis needed? If the person changed their sex, or wanted to change their sex, they would require a new word, but the vast majority who would like to remain the gender they were born don't need a new descriptor, as it's already there; male or female.

It's not a prime example of getting upset over nothing, it's people standing their ground and not agreeing to have a new word placed upon them in order to suit those who aren't 'cis'. It's unnecessary, and agreeing to use the term is only pandering to these people.

And before someone says it, yes, I have been called cis in real life, by my niecphew. It's the conversation I bring up when I don't want to talk to her/im anymore, as they get right upset that I refuse to be acknowledged as a cis male, and demand I simply be called male. I didn't change anything, why should I change what I call myself? It's principal. Just the same as if someone tried to tell me I'm strawberry blonde. I'm not, i'm ginger.

CrankyHaus · 22-08-2019 01:53PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Why was it needed though? Why not just continue using male/female for those born male/female and remain male/female? Why was cis needed? If the person changed their sex, or wanted to change their sex, they would require a new word, but the vast majority who would like to remain the gender they were born don't need a new descriptor, as it's already there; male or female.

It's not a prime example of getting upset over nothing, it's people standing their ground and not agreeing to have a new word placed upon them in order to suit those who aren't 'cis'. It's unnecessary, and agreeing to use the term is only pandering to these people.

And before someone says it, yes, I have been called cis in real life, by my niecphew. It's the conversation I bring up when I don't want to talk to her/im anymore, as they get right upset that I refuse to be acknowledged as a cis male, and demand I simply be called male. I didn't change anything, why should I change what I call myself? It's principal. Just the same as if someone tried to tell me I'm strawberry blonde. I'm not, i'm ginger.

The obvious answer is that if you control the language used you can control the debate. There's nothing new about this either, George Orwell would have recognised the dynamic, in fact its a large part of what he wrote about.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 01:54PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

CIS is a bull**** term. You don't think it is sound, I think it is. Similarly I only accept two genders not this self identifying bull****. An opinion I also share offline much to the annoyance of right on pc morons.

Yeah I think it makes sense to use a new term to discuss a new issue. Otherwise when you repurpose a word you bring baggage with it. If you're upset by the term Cis then I'd like to hear your reasons.

The term is in usage anyway whether you and the morons you chat with, like it or not.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-08-2019 01:55PM

Well I'll just get the Frock out of here

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 02:00PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Just asked the OH this question her being a natural female and all that and she said she'd never return to a gym that allowed that to happen

It will be an interesting question if it ever happens. I imagine women's changing rooms have more cubicles than men's but that's probably beside the point.

It's probably a big pearl clutching moment until it actually happens. Ask men 50 years ago how they felt about having gays in the changing room with them and you can imagine the outrage at the idea. Then it happens and absolutely nothing bad occurs and everyone forgets they ever had a big problem with it.

Rinse and repeat with repeat with other issues.

Stevieluvsye · 22-08-2019 02:02PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It will be an interesting question of it ever happens. I imagine women's changing rooms have more cubicles than men's but that's probably beside the point.

It's probably a big pearl clutching moment until it actually happens. Ask men 50 years ago how they felt about having gays in the changing room with them and you can imagine the outrage at the idea. Then it happens and absolutely nothing bad occurs and everyone forgets they ever had a big problem with it.

Rinse and repeat with repeat with other issues.

See here is the thing, i just pointed out something i know is factually correct and 100% accurate and you have just shouted me down

I knew it wouldn't take long........................

HorrorScope · 22-08-2019 02:05PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Then it happens and absolutely nothing bad occurs and everyone forgets they ever had a big problem with it.

Yeah sure what could go wrong allowing biological males access to a space with naked females? It's not like any of them at all would have sinister motives and lie about being "female" just to get in, no way...

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 02:08PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Why was it needed though? Why not just continue using male/female for those born male/female and remain male/female? Why was cis needed? If the person changed their sex, or wanted to change their sex, they would require a new word, but the vast majority who would like to remain the gender they were born don't need a new descriptor, as it's already there; male or female.

But Cis doesn't just mean male or female. It means more than that. It means heterosexual which isn't covered by male or female.

Gender and sex in alignment and heterosexual sexual orientation, combined in a new term. I can't help thinking the people who are cross about the term Cis, would be cross about any term.

TheBoyConor · 22-08-2019 02:10PM

What about Pat Shortt in D'Mother & Killinascully?

Do we have to ban those now too?

nthclare · 22-08-2019 02:11PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Probably half our MEPs believe that you can be woman and have a todger, if that's any indication of the prevalence of the idiocy to which you refer.

There was a time when most people thought that the priest could turn wine into blood and wafer into flesh.

Now we've assholes telling us that some dude with a knob is a woman, or some woman without a knob is a man

Now cop the **** on, you're either a man or a woman.

There's no compromise here with this one.

This whole gender thing is very like believing in sky fairies and hell fire and brimstone.

Well I've got news for you, we've only got men and women...

Now **** off

nthclare · 22-08-2019 02:12PM

[D was a time when most people thought that the priest could turn wine into blood and wafer into flesh.

Now we've assholes telling us that some dude with a knob is a woman, or some woman without a knob is a man
A
Now cop the **** on, you're either a man or a woman.

There's no compromise here with this one.

This whole gender thing is very like believing in sky fairies and hell fire and brimstone.

Well I've got news for you, we've only got men and women...

Now **** off

[/quote]

First person to go crying to a mod about this is a wanker

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2019 02:12PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

See here is the thing, i just pointed out something i know is factually correct and 100% accurate and you have just shouted me down

I knew it wouldn't take long........................

You've been shouted down? That's a bit... precious, isn't it?

Ps have I just been shouted down by you too? Maybe could we both be a little less precious and not assume we've been shouted down when someone doesn't just agree with you and end the conversation?

jimgoose · 22-08-2019 02:13PM

The difficulties that present with Mrs. Doubtfire have less to do with transgender matters and more to do with the notion of a recently-divorced man disguising himself as an elderly Scottish nanny and duping his ex-wife into hiring him so he can have access to the children despite a court order.

Is Mrs Doubtfire problematic?

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