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Is Mrs Doubtfire problematic?

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    What I found really shocking about the film was his, I mean her, Scottish accent. This was a disgusting display of cultural appropriation.

    I don't disagree.

    And don't get me started on Halloween.


  • #33
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

    The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

    1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

    2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

    3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

    Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

    I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

    Sigh


  • #34
    Jimmy McGill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Jimmy McGill


    mada82 wrote: »
    What the **** is a cis male?

    Be careful or you might be branded a bigot


  • #35
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,754 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Think this is another case of the those who accuse liberals of being 'snowflakes' etc look to ignite most of these types of discussions now.
    Someone else is probably creating a thread right now to discuss that some sad-sap-lib is saying Mrs Doubtfire should be banned.

    Bit like Piers Morgan yesterday, or as Gary Lineker said it, 'Probably the absolute brilliance of someone who gets offended by everything, being offended by people who are offended by everything.'

    1/10 OP

    Took 7 posts...
    Jimmy McGill wrote: »
    Comedy these days is dead because of snowflakes tripping up over themselves to be offended by something


  • #36
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭storker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

    The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

    1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

    2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

    3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

    Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

    I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

    I salute your gift for satire, madam.


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  • #37
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    A remake certainly would.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    katiek102010 wrote: »
    Is this OP even real

    Of course not.

    I think some people are deliberately skipping over that obvious aspect of the thread, because literally nobody else here would make such a daft point, and this is the perfect opportunity to express indignation at "snowflakes".


  • #39
    Noa Odd Weekend
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Noa Odd Weekend


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Next it'll be the failure of the Xmas panto to explore discrimination.
    This thread is a wind up, lads.

    it is, but there's genuine people out there posting this nonsense on the internet all the time


  • #40
    petros1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭petros1980


    Even the trolling on this sort of nonsense makes me tired now.....


  • #41
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    bluewolf wrote: »
    it is, but there's genuine people out there posting this nonsense on the internet all the time

    Mostly idiots in that madhouse across the big pond.


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  • #42
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Where the f5ck are the Illuminati when you need them.. .. ..


  • #43
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Even reading that word, it annoys me. Cis. I'm not a cis male. I'm a male. Don't give me pronouns that I don't want/need.

    It's an adjective, not a pronoun. Like 'straight', it's only 'needed' within a certain, very narrow context. You are a cis male, sorry about that.


  • #44
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    That's the thing these days, we can no longer say for certainty if something is a troll or genuine...
    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    It's an adjective, not a pronoun. Like 'straight', it's only 'needed' within a certain, very narrow context. You are a cis male, sorry about that.

    Nope, i'm not. I'm male. Always have been. Always will be. Don't need to add another word to it.


  • #45
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Think this is another case of the those who accuse liberals of being 'snowflakes' etc look to ignite most of these types of discussions now.
    Someone else is probably creating a thread right now to discuss that some sad-sap-lib is saying Mrs Doubtfire should be banned.

    Bit like Piers Morgan yesterday, or as Gary Lineker said it, 'Probably the absolute brilliance of someone who gets offended by everything, being offended by people who are offended by everything.'

    1/10 OP

    Indeed obvious troll is obvious, quite dangerous in fact as it's nearly like race baiting, designed to grow support for a hateful position.


  • #46
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Saw Tootsie on Broadway last night - highly recommended if ye get the chance. I was sceptical that they could do the film justice, but they did.


  • #47
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

    The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

    1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

    2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

    3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

    Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

    I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

    Please stop labelling me with these stupid terms which a tiny minority have been trying to enforce on a vast majority over the past few years.

    I'm a man, i'm male and that's the way it has been since time began. If you change gender from what you were at birth, genitalia wise, you make the change and are transgender, and very best wishes to anyone who feels they are trapped in the wrong gender and make a change.


  • #48
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Indeed obvious troll is obvious, quite dangerous in fact as it's nearly like race baiting, designed to grow support for a hateful position.
    I think it's parody rather than trolling, and found it quite funny.

    Even funnier are some reactions.


  • #49
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    I thought so too but behind most parody is someone who have whatever agenda and try and dress it up as parody i feel:)


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does anyone think the OP actually believes what he wrote?

    He's more likely to be one of those with a placard (sans parody) saying, 'down with this kind of thing'.


  • #51
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    The film won the Oscar for best make up

    NANU NANU HA HA


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  • #52
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I think it's parody rather than trolling, and found it quite funny.

    Even funnier are some reactions.

    Under more rational times I would agree but right now it literally could be a legit position.


  • #53
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Lest we forget, Dan Ackroyd in blackface

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb72148xQco


  • #54
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Nope, i'm not. I'm male. Always have been. Always will be. Don't need to add another word to it.

    Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.


  • #55
    squawker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 501 ✭✭✭squawker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

    l spat my tea out laughing at that one

    thanks OP


    *edit* oh wtf is a "cis" male?


  • #56
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.

    Only in la la land. In the real world it’s just male. Don’t get all snowflakey about that...


  • #57
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,665 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    squawker wrote: »
    l spat my tea out laughing at the one

    thanks OP

    It's not funny, we're stuck with bleeding vaginas.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    ... and very best wishes to anyone who feels they are trapped in the wrong gender and make a change.

    This just made me think of Jacko's tune '(Transgender) Man in the Mirror':

    I'm gonna make a change,
    For once I'm my life
    It's gonna feel real good,
    Gonna make a difference
    Gonna make it right

    Sorry. Couldnt help it. :D


  • #59
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.

    There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.


  • #60
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.

    I’ve never actually heard a person speak the words “cis male” in real life. Only ever read the phrase.


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  • #61
    Jimmy McGill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Jimmy McGill


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.

    Same with the 84563885 genders that were made up in the last few years


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