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Is Mrs Doubtfire problematic?

[Deleted User]

It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

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[Deleted User]

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What I found really shocking about the film was his, I mean her, Scottish accent. This was a disgusting display of cultural appropriation.

I don't disagree.

And don't get me started on Halloween.

BrokenArrows

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

Sigh

Jimmy McGill

mada82 wrote: »

What the **** is a cis male?

Be careful or you might be branded a bigot

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

Think this is another case of the those who accuse liberals of being 'snowflakes' etc look to ignite most of these types of discussions now.
Someone else is probably creating a thread right now to discuss that some sad-sap-lib is saying Mrs Doubtfire should be banned.

Bit like Piers Morgan yesterday, or as Gary Lineker said it, 'Probably the absolute brilliance of someone who gets offended by everything, being offended by people who are offended by everything.'

1/10 OP

Took 7 posts...

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Comedy these days is dead because of snowflakes tripping up over themselves to be offended by something

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

I salute your gift for satire, madam.

Odyssey 2005

A remake certainly would.

[Deleted User]

katiek102010 wrote: »

Is this OP even real

Of course not.

I think some people are deliberately skipping over that obvious aspect of the thread, because literally nobody else here would make such a daft point, and this is the perfect opportunity to express indignation at "snowflakes".

[Deleted User]

whisky_galore wrote: »

Next it'll be the failure of the Xmas panto to explore discrimination.
This thread is a wind up, lads.

it is, but there's genuine people out there posting this nonsense on the internet all the time

petros1980

Even the trolling on this sort of nonsense makes me tired now.....

whisky_galore

bluewolf wrote: »

it is, but there's genuine people out there posting this nonsense on the internet all the time

Mostly idiots in that madhouse across the big pond.

jaxxx

Where the f5ck are the Illuminati when you need them.. .. ..

Yer Da sells Avon

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Even reading that word, it annoys me. Cis. I'm not a cis male. I'm a male. Don't give me pronouns that I don't want/need.

It's an adjective, not a pronoun. Like 'straight', it's only 'needed' within a certain, very narrow context. You are a cis male, sorry about that.

Potential-Monke

That's the thing these days, we can no longer say for certainty if something is a troll or genuine...

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's an adjective, not a pronoun. Like 'straight', it's only 'needed' within a certain, very narrow context. You are a cis male, sorry about that.

Nope, i'm not. I'm male. Always have been. Always will be. Don't need to add another word to it.

Calhoun

Tell me how wrote: »

Think this is another case of the those who accuse liberals of being 'snowflakes' etc look to ignite most of these types of discussions now.
Someone else is probably creating a thread right now to discuss that some sad-sap-lib is saying Mrs Doubtfire should be banned.

Bit like Piers Morgan yesterday, or as Gary Lineker said it, 'Probably the absolute brilliance of someone who gets offended by everything, being offended by people who are offended by everything.'

1/10 OP

Indeed obvious troll is obvious, quite dangerous in fact as it's nearly like race baiting, designed to grow support for a hateful position.

Ficheall

Saw Tootsie on Broadway last night - highly recommended if ye get the chance. I was sceptical that they could do the film justice, but they did.

Naggdefy

Deleted User wrote: »

It's on TV and it has me worried and afraid to laugh given what is, in reality, very serious subject matter.

The fact that a cis male is dressing as someone who identifies as a cis female is used in this film as a vehicle for comic relief. This is not funny because :

1 - cis males should not be dressing as a woman in such a flippant manner given the issues trans people face on a daily basis

2 - cis males should not project a gender insincerely

3 - when Mrs Doubtfire is "caught", it is for going pee pee while standing and her son reacts with horror and violence. This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

Given these issues, amongst many others I'm sure you will help me to determine, I do not believe Mrs Doubtfire should be broadcast any longer.

I would also suggest that we make more of an effort to reflect and search out potential issues before finding something funny. No one should be in that much of a hurry to laugh.

Please stop labelling me with these stupid terms which a tiny minority have been trying to enforce on a vast majority over the past few years.

I'm a man, i'm male and that's the way it has been since time began. If you change gender from what you were at birth, genitalia wise, you make the change and are transgender, and very best wishes to anyone who feels they are trapped in the wrong gender and make a change.

Raconteuse

Calhoun wrote: »

Indeed obvious troll is obvious, quite dangerous in fact as it's nearly like race baiting, designed to grow support for a hateful position.

I think it's parody rather than trolling, and found it quite funny.

Even funnier are some reactions.

Naggdefy

I thought so too but behind most parody is someone who have whatever agenda and try and dress it up as parody i feel:)

[Deleted User]

Does anyone think the OP actually believes what he wrote?

He's more likely to be one of those with a placard (sans parody) saying, 'down with this kind of thing'.

RobbingBandit

The film won the Oscar for best make up

NANU NANU HA HA

Calhoun

Raconteuse wrote: »

I think it's parody rather than trolling, and found it quite funny.

Even funnier are some reactions.

Under more rational times I would agree but right now it literally could be a legit position.

Yamanoto

Lest we forget, Dan Ackroyd in blackface

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb72148xQco

Yer Da sells Avon

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Nope, i'm not. I'm male. Always have been. Always will be. Don't need to add another word to it.

Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.

squawker

Deleted User wrote: »

This re-enforces the gender normative stereotype that women don't have a penis!

l spat my tea out laughing at that one

thanks OP

*edit* oh wtf is a "cis" male?

Will I Am Not

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.

Only in la la land. In the real world it’s just male. Don’t get all snowflakey about that...

Leg End Reject

squawker wrote: »

l spat my tea out laughing at the one

thanks OP

It's not funny, we're stuck with bleeding vaginas.

[Deleted User]

Naggdefy wrote: »

... and very best wishes to anyone who feels they are trapped in the wrong gender and make a change.

This just made me think of Jacko's tune '(Transgender) Man in the Mirror':

I'm gonna make a change,
For once I'm my life
It's gonna feel real good,
Gonna make a difference
Gonna make it right

Sorry. Couldnt help it.

Jerichoholic

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Nah, you're a cis male. No need to get all snowflakey about it though - it's just a descriptor, like short, tall, straight, gay, bi, etc.

There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.

Will I Am Not

Jerichoholic wrote: »

There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.

I’ve never actually heard a person speak the words “cis male” in real life. Only ever read the phrase.

Jimmy McGill

Jerichoholic wrote: »

There was no such thing as cis anything 3 or 4 years ago until the internet made it up.

Same with the 84563885 genders that were made up in the last few years